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Mike_V posted:JR seems like a real piece of poo poo Yeah it's extremely lovely because while Schultz hasn't been great he's been getting and probably playing through injury constantly. Coaching change is eh, it would have to happen eventually I guess. Edit: 
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Twin Cinema posted:Pronman lists him a tier below Byfield (so, from the Special/Elite bubble to the Elite/High-End one). In his latest mock draft, he says those in the industry think it's a coin flip between the two. For the top guys, an interesting article Pronman does each year is the top draft prospects of the last 5 years where he does the top 31 based on their draft day projections (So no hindsight, no post draft development, just how they were viewed heading into the draft). Laf slotted in at 4th behind Laine, Matthews and Dahlin. Byfield was 6th after Jack Hughes and before Kappo and Stutzle was 18th just behind Hischier and Cole Caufield and ahead of Dubois and Patrick. It’s from June around the original draft date though so I don’t know if he’s seen more tape or something that would have moved the needle since then.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Recchi's neck looks bigger than his head. Mark Necchi
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pseudodragon posted:For the top guys, an interesting article Pronman does each year is the top draft prospects of the last 5 years where he does the top 31 based on their draft day projections (So no hindsight, no post draft development, just how they were viewed heading into the draft). Yeah, I was also going to post this information too, but for whatever reason, chose not to. In his mock draft, Pronman doesn't mention anything about his own personal feelings, but is just pointing to how those in the industry view them. Because his mock draft is more about what he thinks will happen based on conversations. For whatever its worth, Pronman also has Stutzle on the same tier as Raymond and Perfetti. He has those guys 22nd and 29th on his top-31 based on the last five years.
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lol you're alright, Dubas
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Ah yes the ol’ “our internal metrics are better than public data.”
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Jovial Cow posted:Carp the Rangers beat writer on the athletic seems pretty convinced the Rangers are going to buy out Hank after JD and Gorton said they’re not going into next season with 3 goalies. I think a huge part of it is salary cap. Also: ThinkTank posted:You'd think that Lundqvist at 50% retained would be a great option for a team looking for a short term starter solution. Someone like Edmonton, Calgary or Vancouver would probably be interested. I'm not sure why they'd want to buy him out unless he's said he won't play for any other team than the Rangers. I'm not really sure anyone is interested in taking Lundqvist at 50% retained without a sweetner and I think the Rangers would rather take a buyout hit next season rather than waste an asset in a trade. But basically trading Georgiev is definitely an option and I expect they're looking at that too (he alone probably can't net them a 2C or top 4 LD obviously but perhaps as part of a package) but at the same time if the cap crunches make it more necessary to free up some cap space this year then they might go for the buyout instead. Keeping Georgiev around for another year to help Shesterkin handle the load and also try to pump his value up some more, give Wall time to adjust to pro hockey, etc. I'll be honest I also think the Rangers really want to bring back Fast. He's one of the best forechecker/board workers on the team and they missed that against Carolina, and he's always been a well liked and valued member of the team. But if you're looking at Fast, you're looking at re-signing Lemieux, looking at DeAngelo...something's gotta give cap wise. And yeah Lemieux is blah as a player a lot of times but he is another sand paper guy that the Rangers lack and we know they want to be "harder to play against" and are likely keeping guys like that. e: I also like Buch a lot in general but yeah as mentioned he's a prime possible candidate to be moved for help elsewhere and free up some cap space. Especially if they re-sign Fast who was very effective playing with Panarin this season (even though that always feels cringy since his actual offensive abilities aren't great) and can realistically expect Kakko to take a step forward and perhaps at least match Buch's production, maybe have Kravtsov pushing for a RW spot, etc... Also wonder if they're more likely to let Strome go/trade him as he looked pretty weak in the 3 Carolina games and the Rangers seemed annoyed and upset that their forwards weren't getting to the net which is never a strong part of Strome's game Levitate fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Mind_Taker posted:Ah yes the ol’ “our internal metrics are better than public data.” My internal metric of "I paid him a lot and it would be embarrassing to admit that was stupid" is through the roof
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Levitate posted:I'm not really sure anyone is interested in taking Lundqvist at 50% retained without a sweetner and I think the Rangers would rather take a buyout hit next season rather than waste an asset in a trade. As a Canucks fan if Markstrom demanded $6m plus on a 4+ year deal I'd move a 5th for Lundqvist at $4.25m instead.  He'd be a great mentor to Demko, Pettersson, et al. and can still be a serviceable split time starter.
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Gobias Ind. posted:Mark Necchi 
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Mind_Taker posted:Ah yes the ol’ “our internal metrics are better than public data.” I’m 100% sure it’s microstat nonsense like “cycles disrupted” and “stick checks per 60” or whatever else that doesn’t actually equal more goals for/fewer against in a season. Ceci grades out ok in some possession/rate metrics but it’s likely a “playing with Auston Matthews and Morgan Rielly firewagon possession hockey” that once again doesn’t make him a good defender.
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Cody Ceci is gonna be one of those players that plays like 20 years in the league and sucks rear end for all of them, but every coach/GM that has him loves him The next Ron Hainsey basically
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I think the Rangers in a normal situation where the cap wasn't going to go down significantly and teams might even get an amnesty buyout would keep Lundqvist around for his last year and try to deal Georgiev, but they likely will buy him out if they have to get under a much lower cap threshold. Still, they are loaded with wingers and I think a package of Georgiev+Buchnevich+2nd to a team that's further behind in their rebuild for a 2C is quite feasible for them to do.
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Spelling Mitsake posted:I hope Pittsburgh completely collapses next year. Crosby’s fading star is a grim reminder of my own deterioration
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When Crosby retires, I am going to start looking into getting an old man cane. He's slightly younger than me, but he's the first superstar I remember coming into the league that was around my age. I have followed his career since the beginning.
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Koopa Kid posted:I’m 100% sure it’s microstat nonsense like “cycles disrupted” and “stick checks per 60” or whatever else that doesn’t actually equal more goals for/fewer against in a season. Ceci was the only Toronto defender with negative xG 5v5 for the leafs this playoffs with a lovely 45% expected goal split. Muzzin was 2nd worst at 50/50. Everyone else was 55% expected goals for or better. So I would love to see what 'internal' metrics are used to pretend it's a good idea to resign him (while letting Barrie walk, which I understand the aggravation towards doing that). Also GMJR still has Tom Wilson living inside his pudding brain firing synapses off so  for JMFJ to retain a D spot despite being loving trash.
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Jovial Cow posted:Carp the Rangers beat writer on the athletic seems pretty convinced the Rangers are going to buy out Hank after JD and Gorton said they’re not going into next season with 3 goalies. Yeah but Carp is easily the dumbest and worst Rangers beat writer around, narrowly edging out Larry Brooks. Brooks is at least occasionally entertaining-ly bad.
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fawning deference posted:I think the Rangers in a normal situation where the cap wasn't going to go down significantly and teams might even get an amnesty buyout would keep Lundqvist around for his last year and try to deal Georgiev, but they likely will buy him out if they have to get under a much lower cap threshold. Trick is finding a team that is interested in a package like that and has a center to spare. Rangers have sniffed around players like Lindholm before but while I can see Calgary having a use for a goalie like Georgiev who can become a good starter, Lindholm is young and under a contract that's not atrocious. Calgary does apparently have a billion centers and not a lot of RW's on their roster though
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Twin Cinema posted:When Crosby retires, I am going to start looking into getting an old man cane. Same but Iginla... Sigh.
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Mind_Taker posted:Ah yes the ol’ “our internal metrics are better than public data.” The Penguins tried to do this same poo poo to defend the JJ signing.
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Levitate posted:Trick is finding a team that is interested in a package like that and has a center to spare. That would be interesting actually - they are deep down the middle and that would be a good package for them.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Ceci was the only Toronto defender with negative xG 5v5 for the leafs this playoffs with a lovely 45% expected goal split. Muzzin was 2nd worst at 50/50. Everyone else was 55% expected goals for or better. So I would love to see what 'internal' metrics are used to pretend it's a good idea to resign him (while letting Barrie walk, which I understand the aggravation towards doing that). Also GMJR still has Tom Wilson living inside his pudding brain firing synapses off so Yeah it’s obvious they’re not looking at publicly available/popular macros for their evaluation, or at least not weighting them highly. Which I think is a mistake but hey, some of their moves make more sense now. I‘m going to choose to believe they’re just doing the thing where they show their players they stick up for people and they’re not actually laying the groundwork for re-signing Ceci. They probably couldn’t afford him lol
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Levitate posted:I think a huge part of it is salary cap. Also: I like Fast, he's a perfectly competent bottom 6 W, but he is way more replaceable than Buch. Bottom six guys aren't hard to find and he wouldn't sniff minutes with Panarin if the team had a better option up there. Buch was hovering around 50pts in 3 or his first 4 seasons. Buch has more trade value, but until at least one of the young wingers they have shows up, I think he needs to at least get a bridge deal. The only scenario where I think trading him is worth it is if they add a genuinely good center to slot in behind Z.
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THE MACHO MAN posted:I like Fast, he's a perfectly competent bottom 6 W, but he is way more replaceable than Buch. Bottom six guys aren't hard to find and he wouldn't sniff minutes with Panarin if the team had a better option up there. Buch was hovering around 50pts in 3 or his first 4 seasons. Buch has more trade value, but until at least one of the young wingers they have shows up, I think he needs to at least get a bridge deal. The only scenario where I think trading him is worth it is if they add a genuinely good center to slot in behind Z. Didn't Buch already get bridged?
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Matt Zerella posted:Didn't Buch already get bridged? Yeah he signed his 2 year deal last summer.
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Alizee posted:Are there any UFA dmen that Toronto actually has a shot at? Schultz ?
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I mean the only justification for JR saying what he said is that the Penguins are not re-signing Schultz and they are stuck with JJ. But then again it still is a pretty lovely thing to do. The biggest problem with the Pens is JR at this point. After they won two cups he traded for Ryan Reaves and since then has he made a good move? John Marino I guess was a trade, that worked out well so far
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myron cope posted:I mean the only justification for JR saying what he said is that the Penguins are not re-signing Schultz and they are stuck with JJ. I have a hard time seeing the Zucker trade burning them. THey'd have to collapse harder than SJ did and anything's possible but they'd be really hard-pressed to do it.
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Alizee posted:Are there any UFA dmen that Toronto actually has a shot at? Cody Ceci.
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Twin Cinema posted:Cody Ceci. Who ironically does not have a shot himself.
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