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Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Devor posted:

Not everyone has to freak out, because lots of other people are freaking out, so I don't need to do anything or be worried

Tragedy of the Commons of the Newsroom

So it's just a roundabout way of saying "Other people care about this, so I don't have to"?

Lame. Nate Silver is a lame man.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I have it on good authority by the professional reporters on Fox News that Biden is a socialist who will enact medicare for all on the first day of his presidency.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:

Best benefit of the doubt interpretation i have is 'it would be more worrisome if nobody cared' vs 'it is a good thing that a lot of people are trying to act on this'

He's a dang nerd tho

that was my immediate read

it's clunky but not difficult to parse

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Mizaq posted:

I hope Democrats keep telling Trump he cannot pardon Edward Snowden and he throws out a pardon out of spite. Obama should have done it before he left office. I doubt Biden will do it, so oddly Trump is probably Snowden's best chance for the next 12 years.
Same.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Nap Ghost

Is he trying to say it's like Y2K, in that idiots think it's not a big deal because a bunch of people freaked out and made sure it wasn't actually a big deal?

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/kenlemonWSOC9/status/1294339931775610884?s=19

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Sometimes the act of trying to prevent a thing increases the likelihood of a thing happening. Or suppressing something causes a more exaggerated form of the suppressed thing.

An old French proverb states “You meet your fate on the road you take to avoid it.”

Another one states “Nate Silver is a dink.”

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1295064673193271296?s=19

I can't wait to watch what she does in office.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

nine-gear crow posted:

An old French proverb states “You meet your fate on the road you take to avoid it.”

isnt that a variant of that old jewish proverb about the servant who meets death in the marketplace and asks for a horse to escape him?

e: looks like its actually from 1934

A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 16, 2020

Eminai
Apr 29, 2013

I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality.

Thom12255 posted:

Do you think this of Biden or the mythological DNC hivemind? Biden and Bernie have a good working relationship and Bernie seems to trust him a lot. Or is Bernie not on the left anymore?

Bernie trusts Biden so much that he stayed in a race where people were going to vote in person in the middle of pandemic as long as he had even a 1% chance of stopping Biden from being the nominee.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

if i were a national convention delegate, which i am not, so don't doxx me,

i'd have voted against the platform

(and more seriously I did bug the delegates of whom i was/am constituent as a state delegate not to vote for it and got responses ranging from politely mildly positive to very positive so while I'm not too optimistic about it being voted down and redone, maybe there'll be enough of a revolt to be noticed)

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

Eminai posted:

Bernie trusts Biden so much that he stayed in a race where people were going to vote in person in the middle of pandemic as long as he had even a 1% chance of stopping Biden from being the nominee.

That's not true, he stayed in for that last race because getting high Democrat turnout was super important for getting a Judge seat and it was successful. He stayed in til really late in '16 because Clinton and him did indeed hate each other.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:

Best benefit of the doubt interpretation i have is 'it would be more worrisome if nobody cared' vs 'it is a good thing that a lot of people are trying to act on this'

He's a dang nerd tho

his follow up to that tweet make it clear that it's this. it's an asinine point to make, but it's fairly clear the point he's trying to make

and 538 has been putting out material discussing the possible effects of administration tampering with usps, which is about the limits of the meager power held by a minor political pundit

nate silver isn't great at stats and is terrible at political punditry, but some posters really get more worked up about him than he warrants

Glumwheels
Jan 25, 2003

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ

Solaris 2.0 posted:

Lol “Moderate” Republicans thats funny. The future of the GOP are the Qanon types.

Exactly and even the moderates will vote for the q-anon nuts because they’d rather die than vote democrat or another party.

Carew
Jun 22, 2006

Thom12255 posted:

Do you think this of Biden or the mythological DNC hivemind? Biden and Bernie have a good working relationship and Bernie seems to trust him a lot. Or is Bernie not on the left anymore?

Leftists don't give a poo poo about whatever loving supposed personal relationships politicians have between themselves.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Thom12255 posted:

Do you think this of Biden or the mythological DNC hivemind? Biden and Bernie have a good working relationship and Bernie seems to trust him a lot. Or is Bernie not on the left anymore?

If Bernie trusts Biden, he is mistaken to do so. We believe in ideas, not people who symbolize ideas. Hope this helps.

Eminai
Apr 29, 2013

I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality.

Thom12255 posted:

That's not true, he stayed in for that last race because getting high Democrat turnout was super important for getting a Judge seat and it was successful. He stayed in til really late in '16 because Clinton and him did indeed hate each other.

So you're saying that Bernie cynically stayed in to deceive people into showing up to vote in person in the middle of a pandemic? And you think that is someone we should trust?

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




nine-gear crow posted:

An old French proverb states “You meet your fate on the road you take to avoid it.”

Another one states “Nate Silver is a dink.”

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:

A pretty easy example of this is Coronavirus.

The more people that are worried about it and taking precaution the less of a problem it actually is. If nobody cares and takes precaution it's a disaster.

eggyolk
Nov 8, 2007


I tipped my mailman last week. Just put $20 in an envelope and wrote a big "Thank you!" on it. He wrote a thank you message the next day on the front of some junk mail. It was cool and good.

I'll probably leave him another $20 next week.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Bashez posted:

A pretty easy example of this is Coronavirus.

The more people that are worried about it and taking precaution the less of a problem it actually is. If nobody cares and takes precaution it's a disaster.

In fact, there's relatively few issues you couldn't say this about, which probably makes it an incredibly facile and asinine point

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

A few packages I've ordered have been delayed and it's pretty obviously because of the attack on the post office.
:yossame:

I actually had some certified mail (the kind they as you to sign and poo poo) get misdelivered to a neighbor, and my wife had a small package of masks from Disney which she ordered in like May just altogether not get delivered at the start of the month.

I put in a request for the local post office to look into it. Neighbor dropped the mail in my box 2-3ish days later, and my wife's package was redelivered in about a week. Then I learned about all this fuckery and immediately regretted raising a flag about the deliveries.

Just received a call from the post office branch asking about the issue and if it had been resolved, and I was (I hope) suitably mortified that I had caused them to devote time to my piddly-rear end problem when they are understaffed, underfunded and in a whole-rear end tumult ON TOP of working during the pandemic.

The rep basically said " thanks, and I think if we can solve these small problems for people now, we can get folks to solve the other problems too". Which I really hope so, because the post has been rock solid during this whole pandemic and honestly just taken for granted as a whole.

I'd like to think the Dem leadership would fix the insane prefunding poo poo and allow banking/other "it makes sense" poo poo to go forward but I have no faith in them.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

FilthyImp posted:


I'd like to think the Dem leadership would fix the insane prefunding poo poo and allow banking/other "it makes sense" poo poo to go forward but I have no faith in them.

The House already passed a bill reversing this.

Guess what happened when it got to the Senate?

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug

Cool, my wife is from the part of Wisconsin where these idiots live. Can't say I'm surprised.

eggyolk
Nov 8, 2007


Space Cadet Omoly posted:

A few packages I've ordered have been delayed and it's pretty obviously because of the attack on the post office.

Feeling the same but with Immigration services.

My wife is a Green Card holder and we were able to do everything fine throughout the Obama admin. Then Trump came in and the change was visible. The immigration offices in Manhattan used to be poorly staffed during Obama's term, maybe 3-4 people in a row of 20 booths. but now they staff ONE person, and we've been turned away during the process because THEY can't find some paper work. Her case has been bouncing around between districts as they shuffle things around just to add complication. It's the same poo poo they're starting to do with USPS, just pulling the plug on a live patient while screaming "We can't save him!"

Her Green Card renewal should've taken 90 days. It's been 32 months and counting. She could've been a citizen by now too so it's successfully suppressing her vote.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1295004891019001857?s=20

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

piracy is cool again :yarr:

https://twitter.com/WideAsleepNima/status/1295093283245498433

quote:

The U.S. isn’t licensing acts of piracy by private individuals. Nor, in this case, has it resorted to military action. A senior U.S. official told The Associated Press that no military force was used in the seizures. Instead, threats of potentially crippling sanctions against the owners, insurers and captains of the vessels persuaded them to hand over the cargoes.

But the concept has altered little in 440 years — we still have one of the world's preeminent naval powers passing its own laws allowing it to seize treasure from its enemies in the ocean.

A day earlier, the U.S. had decried the boarding of a small oil tanker in international waters by Iranian forces, who remained on the vessel for several hours before allowing it proceed on its way. “This type of reckless, aggressive behavior by Iran destabilizes the region and threatens the rules-based international order,” said the U.S.-led International Maritime Security Construct in a statement.

Make no mistake, the latest U.S. action was no more based on international rules than was the Iranian one. Both moves served the countries’ respective interests. Neither had the backing of the United Nations or another international body. Iran now may feel compelled to respond

The combined cargoes seized by the U.S. from the four ships — about 1.16 million barrels of Iranian gasoline, according to the complaint for forfeiture — is worth about $61 million dollars. The funds realized from the sale of the cargoes will in part be directed to the United States Victims of State Sponsored Terrorism Fund. Almost 80% of the claims on that fund are related to the heinous attack on the World Trade Center in 2001. Yet Iran was not implicated in that event.

Along with depriving Iran’s government of funds and Venezuela’s of much-needed gasoline, the seizure of the cargoes is intended to deter future such shipments of Iranian oil. The warrant was issued against the cargoes, not the ships themselves, so those will presumably be released once the gasoline has been offloaded.

Senior Trump administration officials are expected to hold an event to mark the docking of the ships in Houston. I couldn’t help but think of Queen Elizabeth I staging a banquet for Francis Drake in Deptford on the River Thames in 1581, and knighting him on the main deck of his ship, the Golden Hind, that had just returned full of Spanish treasure.

double nine fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 16, 2020

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006





lol

Ya ain’t seen nothing yet. Did you know the US can just seize any vessel alongside in the US for National security reasons during a war (maybe even all the time).

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:

Failed Imagineer posted:

In fact, there's relatively few issues you couldn't say this about, which probably makes it an incredibly facile and asinine point

Nate's not a very good pundit. His point isn't confusing.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
https://twitter.com/LeslieMac/status/1295060534639894529?s=20

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Bashez posted:

Nate's not a very good pundit. His point isn't confusing.

"Facile and asinine" doesn't mean confusing.

See also this tweet, because the large bald stats son is extremely on his bullshit today

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1295092374566207492?s=19

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

eggyolk posted:

Feeling the same but with Immigration services.

My wife is a Green Card holder and we were able to do everything fine throughout the Obama admin. Then Trump came in and the change was visible. The immigration offices in Manhattan used to be poorly staffed during Obama's term, maybe 3-4 people in a row of 20 booths. but now they staff ONE person, and we've been turned away during the process because THEY can't find some paper work. Her case has been bouncing around between districts as they shuffle things around just to add complication. It's the same poo poo they're starting to do with USPS, just pulling the plug on a live patient while screaming "We can't save him!"

Her Green Card renewal should've taken 90 days. It's been 32 months and counting. She could've been a citizen by now too so it's successfully suppressing her vote.

Can she not apply for citizenship while the renewal is processing? I'm on ROC processing right now and I am able to apply for the N-400 if the ROC isn't complete by the time I'm eligible. I've read that it speeds up your other application if you do.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/WFKARS/status/1295100352262545408?s=20

HIPPA

SeductiveReasoning
Nov 2, 2005

382 BC - 301 BC

One weird trick! The elderly and immuno-compromised hate it!

Kloaked00
Jun 21, 2005

I was sitting in my office on that drizzly afternoon listening to the monotonous staccato of rain on my desk and reading my name on the glass of my office door: regnaD kciN

It’s been posted a few times being seen at various places and it kills me that every single time they spell HIPAA wrong

xarph
Jun 18, 2001


Bar Ran Dun posted:

lol

Ya ain’t seen nothing yet. Did you know the US can just seize any vessel alongside in the US for National security reasons during a war (maybe even all the time).

The Korean War never ended. In fact I don't think any war involving the US has legally ended since WW2.

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*

Failed Imagineer posted:

"Facile and asinine" doesn't mean confusing.

See also this tweet, because the large bald stats son is extremely on his bullshit today

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1295092374566207492?s=19

What a diseased mind. Just gross.

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:

Failed Imagineer posted:

"Facile and asinine" doesn't mean confusing.

See also this tweet, because the large bald stats son is extremely on his bullshit today

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1295092374566207492?s=19

Other people seemed confused by his tweet.

zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather



Maine isnt necessarily Trump country (the coast) but there are plenty of conservatives there who never shut the gently caress up about Janet Mills. Just by nature of governing during a pandemic, I bet she'll be a one term governor, unfortunately.

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Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
A HIPPA is a female hippo.

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