Mirificus posted:

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There are forum ranks, with exclusive rewards and perks both on the RSI site and in game depending upon how much money you have contributed toward development in total. Becoming a member of the Chairman's Club entitles you to Concierge Services and rewards.

High Admiral = $1000+

Grand Admiral = $2500+

Space Marshall = $5000+

Wing Commander = $10,000+

Praetorian = $15,000+

Legatus Navium = $25,000+


At $7,512 I am half way between Space Marshall and Wing Commander, the date on the certificates is wrong I've been a Space Marshall since 21st December 2015 but the certificates were only awarded on 19-11-2018 to everyone who qualified.

My favourite perk is having the hardbound copy of the Chairman's Handbook.

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They are listed on the website I linked. In game clothes and equipment. Access to in game Chairman's Club Lounges - they are not open yet but there is one at TEASA Spaceport, and another coming at Orison on Crusader, there will be more.

There are in game services planned for Chairman's Club such as Sharrington Cross online catalogue, Epulae Dining, Imperial Access - a Chairman's Club only VIP access to in game events - includes VIP tickets to in game sporting events and the opera house on Mars or the Fashion Week held on Prime - Terra II etc. There are exclusive resorts to stay at such as the Lagora Island Chateau on Tangaroa. They have a luxury travel service called Visangio, they operate a fleet of luxury Genesis Starliners.

Real World

Access to Concierge account section. Preferential access to our own dedicated customer service rep. Access to the Concierge section of the forums.

PTU access to wave 1. Early access to sales of new concepts and physical goods in the RSI store etc. Early access to ticketed event sales - the majority you meet at CitizenCon are Concierge members. There have been Chairman's Club only public events, you can buy tickets to those. There has been only one CitizenCon that had a Chairman's Club lounge but there will be more. Chairman's Club members also sometimes get a different type of 'goody-bag' at CtizenCon - all attendees get one but the contents may be 'extra' for Chairman's Club. In 2017 at CitizenCon Frankfurt, Concierge members got an Intel Optane SSD drive in their goody-bag, if I recall correctly.

Real world items: Concierge card - metal credit card sized. other physical goods. Limited editions. Chairman's Handbook - limited edition.

All players of Squadron 42 will have the right to buy an F8C Lightning in the PU for in game credits after Squadron 42 release, but Chairman's Club members Wing Commander and above get theirs gifted as of right without the need to complete Squadron 42 Chapter One. Praetorian and above get a gold skinned F8C Lightning. Legatus Navium also get an exclusive Executive edition 600i ship -'free'.

They add more as time goes on. The latest was a zip file with 2 tracks from the official soundtrack - track 1 and track 18 - uncompressed one of which is 'new' and not heard before.

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Imagine paying $7500 for a video game

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No-one needs to pay any more than $45 for lifetime access and all future additions and upgrades are free.

We did that - because WE wanted it that way. I bought Skyrim V 6 times because I wanted it for PC, Xbox and VR. $240 for basically the same game and still none of the original bugs fixed. Without it's community of modders it would be a buggy mess and a lot less engaging.

Chris Roberts offered to attempt what everyone said was impossible.. that's why. Not for 'a game', but for a belief that collectively we could do better.

How much is a season pass for a game that you constantly have to pay to have additions for? Do you count 10 years of season passes and addons as the price of a game? No - because you'd rather be bamboozled than accept reality. If you want to make change, you have try something different.

If I stop paying for a season pass I can no longer play that game online no matter how many years I paid before. I could decide today never to give Cloud Imperium another penny and I still have lifetime access to everything that will EVER be in the game. My account keeps it's value forever.

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1. The price will go up when it nears release.
   
2. You never have to pay a single penny more to get everything in the game, all future updates are included and no season passes.
   
3. You're not buying a game, you're helping to fund a different way of developing games. If you prefer the buy now, pay again later for addon content and multiplayer passes... sure, that's your choice. We 'bought the game' when all there was was an idea so that you, and anyone else in the future could have better choices. To us.. that is priceless.

You think $45 is expensive?

You think Star Citizen has only a few features for an Alpha unreleased game?

In EA's Starwars Squadrons can you:

Walk around in first person? No, cockpit view and briefing cut-scenes camera view only.

First person, on foot fighting, boarding of ships attacking bases etc? No.

Enter capital ships, space stations and ground locations at will and walk around them? No.

Are there separate in universe multiplayer racing modules, dog-fight swarm modules, and historic battles/location modules for multiplayer - in simpods? No. (Here's the irony - in the Star Citizen universe we have 'small games' made by EA - Electronic Access).

How many locations in the Star Wars Squadrons game? 6.

Can you use land vehicles in the Star Wars Squadrons game? No.

Can you engage in mining, trading, delivery missions, bounty hunting players? Shopping? Cave exploring? Attend in game special events? No. No. No.


Personally I think all those 'extra' features in SC right now are worth the 'extra' $5.. don't you? No? OK then.. don't 'buy' Star Citizen, good luck have fun.

NB: For $65 you get access to the Star Citizen (Alpha) multiplayer and the whole of Squadron 42 Chapter One single player.. expensive huh? Do EA let you exchange the price you paid for their games for 'store credit' at any time no matter how long you've already played the game, so that you can use that money again to buy other things?

I'll tell you what... If you bought a copy of EA's Out of the Park Baseball 19 for $40 but you've had enough of playing it, ask EA can I please exchange last years game for the new Star Wars Squadrons.. please. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to let you do that.

TheAgent posted:

yeah so sq42 prelude is gonna be done sometime in 2021/2022 (at the earliest) now, and that's with two other outside studios working on it

just lol

Mirificus posted:

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No-one needs to pay any more than $45 for lifetime access and all future additions and upgrades are free.

We did that - because WE wanted it that way. I bought Skyrim V 6 times because I wanted it for PC, Xbox and VR. $240 for basically the same game and still none of the original bugs fixed. Without it's community of modders it would be a buggy mess and a lot less engaging.

Chris Roberts offered to attempt what everyone said was impossible.. that's why. Not for 'a game', but for a belief that collectively we could do better.

How much is a season pass for a game that you constantly have to pay to have additions for? Do you count 10 years of season passes and addons as the price of a game? No - because you'd rather be bamboozled than accept reality. If you want to make change, you have try something different.

If I stop paying for a season pass I can no longer play that game online no matter how many years I paid before. I could decide today never to give Cloud Imperium another penny and I still have lifetime access to everything that will EVER be in the game. My account keeps it's value forever.

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

The weirdest thing for me was getting an Anaconda and realizing that the best end-game ship for me was a Python...

Tippis posted:

Finally! The roadmap roadmap: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17727-Star-Citizen-Squadron-42-Roadmap-Update — turns out it's not a roadmap, nor will the roadmap be one.

Tippis posted:

Finally! The roadmap roadmap: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17727-Star-Citizen-Squadron-42-Roadmap-Update — turns out it's not a roadmap, nor will the roadmap be one.

colonelwest posted:

loving

They’re basically just absolving themselves of any pretense of release dates.

Some who follow us understand that just because something is not on the roadmap does not mean it’s not being actively developed. Others, however, believe that if something is not on the roadmap then it means that it is “delayed” or “cancelled.” This creates confusion in some cases and leaves us unable to properly communicate or present the actual work, simply because we don’t display something unless we have a good idea of when it’ll be ready for public consumption. Even then, because these are estimates, we still have to push things a quarter or two due to unforeseen issues or necessary pivots.

What is release anyway?

The new roadmap is just going to be a giant sprawl of meaningless jargon, just like their development update letters.

IAbsolveMyself posted:

CRobbler and the criminal enterprise formerly known as CIG proudly present a sneak preview of a roadmap over two years in the making...
🎼🎺🎺 (fanfare)

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17727-Star-Citizen-Squadron-42-Roadmap-Update

Edit: damnit

tuo posted:

That's a lot of words.

A lot.

Someone got a tl;dr:?

tuo posted:

That's a lot of words.

A lot.

Someone got a tl;dr:?

tuo posted:

That's a lot of words.

A lot.

Someone got a tl;dr:?

tuo posted:

That's a lot of words.

A lot.

Someone got a tl;dr:?

Mne nravitsya posted:

Fun fact of the day: The head of Microsoft’s flight sim studio (Jörg Neumann) is the the same guy who spent years making the game Freelancer (after Roberts was fired from DA) and is one of the main reasons that It ever saw the light of day.

TheAgent posted:

I mean, it's really not new

Shroud of the Avatar
Ashes of Creation
Pantheon

All have/had big money asks, including $30,000 golden castles and $25/m subscriptions to forums for a game that's not even in a playable pre-alpha state

Scruffyhawk posted:

Someone post that giant clusterfuck roadmap that was like 150 color coded rows stacked to varying degrees. Where did that land anyways? If 25% of those tasks actually got completed I'd be amazed.

Mne nravitsya posted:

Fun fact of the day: The head of Microsoft’s flight sim studio (Jörg Neumann) is the the same guy who spent years making the game Freelancer (after Roberts was fired from DA) and is one of the main reasons that It ever saw the light of day.

sharknado slashfic posted:

When I started thinking of citizens as art collectors and not video gamers they started making a lot more sense. Also if you're getting bored waiting for the roadmap of the roadmap of the roadmap some goons are slowly talking themselves into Ashes of Creation (brought to you by a guy who made his money from Mangosteen) over in its mmo thread.

e: dammit I skipped -one- page!

Scruffpuff posted:

The whole concept of MMOs is sort of diffusing anyway, and I think CIG is taking full advantage of that. You've got your standard MMO formula - a persistent server you log onto and share the gamespace. Think Everquest, early WOW. Then you have what WOW has become now, where what server you're on has little influence on who you'll actually be playing with due to sharding, battlegroups, and the whole fuzzy idea of who phases where and when. But the world itself persists in some form. Then you have things like Destiny 2 - where does that fall? You can see other people running around you, but they come and go, it's "one server" but it's not really, obviously, and who you see changes from moment to moment unless you group. Then you have Division 2, which is very similar with the exception that you don't see other players out in the world, only in certain areas. Yet both games provide live services, regular events, and regular updates and balance changes. Are they MMOs?

Newer games are blurring the line even more. To me, the original idea of an MMO is a game where you see hundreds of players around you, engaging in the content. We've drifted into a hybrid model where yeah, there are thousands of players, but you can only see a limited number of them at once, unless you engage in specific content. But they're there - you can send them chats, etc. I'm playing Borderlands 3 right now and even though I'm playing single-player, I know there's some background hum of multiplayer just waiting for me to tick a box somewhere and suddenly boom - here are some people.

It's a natural evolution of our always-online culture, where everyone no matter where they are, are just a text, click, or message away, through one platform or another. And I have no doubt whatsoever that CIG is taking full advantage of the intermediate state of definition we find ourselves in to allow, even encourage, backers to interpret what Star Citizen will be in whatever way allows CIG to most easily continue to steal their money.

I said come in! posted:

I'm like the last remaining goon that still plays Eve-Online and enjoys it. I remember a time when 5000+ of us played it but then CCP destroyed large warfare PvP, so everyone noped out of that because that was Eve-Online's flagship feature to every single person playing it for years.

Scruffpuff posted:

What's this, then? Did they destroy it forcibly through code/mechanical changes, or just structure it to be exceedingly punishing? Why would they do this?

Mne nravitsya posted:

Fun fact of the day: The head of Microsoft’s flight sim studio (Jörg Neumann) is the the same guy who spent years making the game Freelancer (after Roberts was fired from DA) and is one of the main reasons that It ever saw the light of day.

Tippis posted:

Finally! The roadmap roadmap: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17727-Star-Citizen-Squadron-42-Roadmap-Update — turns out it's not a roadmap, nor will the roadmap be one.

TheAgent posted:

yeah so sq42 prelude is gonna be done sometime in 2021/2022 (at the earliest) now, and that's with two other outside studios working on it

just lol

L. Ron Hoover posted:

Good to see all the positive comments on the new "roadmap." Seems like it's a way to just show that people are working on poo poo while ignoring any major end goals like releasing a game. Kinda like those Squadron 42 email updates that are a bunch of meaningless jargon on random features. Hey we're working on stuff! What is this stuff crobbling together into? Hell if I know!

If they get people to lose the forest for the trees they might have a few years (decades) of this grift left yet.

ronmcd posted:

Nah no need, I just mention it in case you were really hoping for it in Odyssey! I think it's about the only thing they've definitively said isn't on their roadmap, now the forum rage seems to have switched to walking in cockpits

Scruffyhawk posted:

Someone post that giant clusterfuck roadmap that was like 150 color coded rows stacked to varying degrees. Where did that land anyways? If 25% of those tasks actually got completed I'd be amazed.

800peepee51doodoo posted:

tuo posted:

That's a lot of words.

A lot.

Someone got a tl;dr:?

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This is a fantastic update, and it looks like you are aiming to deliver the transparency everyone is asking for.
I am excited to see the next iteration.
As always, great work, CIG team!

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This is a vast improvement and I am looking forward to the changes! I hope that we'll see some of the "showstopper" features such as SSOCS and Server Meshing broken out into more granular sub-features so that we can visually see just how far away we are from a large, player-filled persistent universe!

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YES. I LOVE STAR CITIZEN.
Millions of us are very thankful
Yours truly,
CEO of AEGIS DYNAMICS

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Wow CIG, this is you sticking insanely true to your word. You once promised to treat your backers like you would treat a publisher and this is the fulfillment of that promise. I hope that this arrangement is not too uncomfortable for the devs, but i know this will build so much more trust with the community. Thank you guys. I'm proud to support this dream.

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Thank you to everyone involved in helping improve the roadmap information !

Snazzy Frocks posted:

i think its funny that they can say something is x% complete, like they'd know how much correct coding will go into the thing.

actually i dont know if thats funny or not, not being a programmer

Jonny Shiloh posted:

It's actually worth reading carefully, line by line. Part of me thinks that they've release wallofroadmaptext.txt because they're hoping gullible idiots will skip over it.

There's a lot in there that's worth unpicking, because it actually says a lot about the current turmoil inside CIG. There's the usual hubris and self-aggrandizing claims of being first out of the blocks with never-done-before-tech etc., but behind that there's a definite sense of uncertainty in the process, and some indirect references to poo poo maybe not being ready when they think it will be.

They're preparing the ground for more delays and more setbacks and more obfuscation, but the backers are too stupid to see it and are lining up to get hosed right up the arse.