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Bifauxnen posted:What "all that talk" you mean like, the one brief post I just made just now Bif please, I'm not going to get into semantics.
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Bifauxnen posted:drat ok I think I can actually see the case on Gaspy now What’s up with this?
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Aug 25, 2020 18:15
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Still think Bif is scum here. She was seemingly scumhunting a bit on D1, then totally avoided talking about SNG D2, and now on D3 she is talking primarily in a way to keep herself alive.
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Aug 25, 2020 18:31
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Bif's insistence to return to and rest on Toal is a bad look too, imo
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Aug 25, 2020 18:32
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Amnistar posted:Day 2: Comes out of the gate beleiving SNG's claim. iirc there were like five minutes to deadline, birb was voting you for some reason and I didn't think there would be a hammer. I was really surprised to see SNG flip scum, I just didn't want to risk a no-lunch where we had to rehash the same arguments again the next day (since, let's face it, scum would not have killed SNG in the night). also I like how you claim I thought gaspy was town when shortly after posting that I'm leaning town on them I come back with this: Epsilon Plus posted:I'm also now remembering Krell purposefully throwing a game as town, and while I don't think Gaspy is an rear end in a top hat like that I did a quick reread of just Gaspy's posts and I'm seeing someone who's reluctant to post their actual feelings and is doing a lot of snarky horseshit gaspy's reluctance to actually discuss anything doesn't feel very town to me!
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Aug 25, 2020 19:19
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tpink posted:Skimming through some other players' post histories to see if that prompts any thoughts, and this was a weird sequence from Epsilon (these two posts were like 15 minutes apart too). in the same vein, this post is super lazy - I ask what the case on DGK is, get no actual response, and then flop a vote on DGK because I believed SNG was town and deadline was in 45 minutes and I had work to attend to. They were the two vote leaders at the time and voting for anyone other than those two would be non-productive. (and before anyone jumps on me for only responding to posts involving me, this involves less work on my part and I'm trying to catch up between meetings)
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Aug 25, 2020 19:21
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Epsilon Plus posted:in the same vein, this post is super lazy - I ask what the case on DGK is, get no actual response, and then flop a vote on DGK because I believed SNG was town and deadline was in 45 minutes and I had work to attend to. They were the two vote leaders at the time and voting for anyone other than those two would be non-productive. How is it a "super lazy" post to point out that your thinking on DGK seemed to switch within 15 minutes without - as you point out - any real responses in between? I mean, what you are saying now is not an unreasonable response, but let's not pretend that it was unreasonable for me to ask what prompted that shift, since you didn't explain it initially.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:35
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Don’t think I’ll vote tpink today either, even though his appearance and defending of himself looked scummy, but their interactions with SNG over days felt sincere and not a bus.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:36
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Ok reading Eps now. Again gonna focus on interactions with Binus and SNG unless anything else really jumps out at me.Epsilon Plus posted:who the hell actually believes "third vote scum" nowadays, and more over, wouldn't that number really depend on the number of players in the game? Eps makes the same point towards Bif as I did about her 'third vote scum' theory but in doing so is he also defending binus. I could either way on this, seeing Bif's flip would say a lot here I think. Bifauxnen posted:Anyway, E+ have you got any response to my thoughts on binus Epsilon Plus posted:I just didn't feel like discussing it; I didn't want to get into it because it was honestly just me wanting to go off about dumb poo poo, not explicitly tied to your vote. I didn't really think when I posted it, which means I didn't really have any thoughts it was based on and it wasn't really swaying my opinion one way or another. Eps uses a lot of words here to avoid giving any further read on binus Epsilon Plus posted:"clearly scummy" to you isn't universally scummy to everyone. I think SNG is just an awkward poster. I have reread the posts in question, including feeding them through scumhunter.py, and they're 94.29% (+/- 1.23 points of scumhunter error) town. Posting "I think SNG is town" doesn't do much to move the game forward, because we don't vote for towniest poster, we vote for the scummiest one. Strong defence for SNG here Epsilon Plus posted:6 hours before deadline is a bad time to be pushing jokes; I realize that it's D1 but we could have at least a shred of a case on someone by now, even if it's lovely? Epsilon Plus posted:rarity I'm referring to DGK With deadline looming Eps puts the lack of cases on both DGK and SNG on blast. There was definitely gently caress all behind the DGK votes at that point but the people voting SNG had provided cases and once he posts again he only develops the DGK front of his argument and drops SNG completely. Epsilon Plus posted:whoops! just got in the habit of doing that, ##vote SNG However he does commit to SNG before deadline until he claims Epsilon Plus posted:Does that make him town though? Scum jailer is a possibility, albeit kind of weird This post is kind of weird. Scum jailer is way more common than town jailer. Epsilon Plus posted:I'm not 100% sure I believe SNG but I'm willing to buy it for now. More defence for SNG Epsilon Plus posted:Hum had some thoughts relating to SNG's claim, I didn't 100% believe him because the masonry was unconfirmed but I believed him enough to not vote SNG. Rarity posted:Well now that he's flipped town do you feel like sharing? Epsilon Plus posted:No, SNG claiming to have jailed Hum who died anyway tanked the theory, it would just be distracting at this point. Also, it may actually help scum more than town ATM to discuss it. I don't like how he uses the excuse Hum having ~*mysterious theories*~ too dangerous to talk about as a basis for clearing SNG. Eps, now that SNG has also flipped do you feel like sharing? There's more defence of SNG but other people have already quoted it so I'm not gonna bother. Epsilon Plus posted:gently caress it ##vote SNG, that's hammer And he comes into hammer SNG. If he'd let town no lynch he'd be getting heat today anyway so this is a null tell to me. I do see a bit of a case here for Eps. The connections aren't as strong as Bif's are but there's a bit of something there. I'm watching you closely, Eps.
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Votecount for Day 3  Bifauxnen (3): tpink, Sandwolf, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Rarity (2): Amnistar, Toalpaz Toalpaz (1): Bifauxnen Asphyxious (0): Rarity, Not Voting (6): Asphyxious, Epsilon Plus, Gridlocked, Hal Incandenza, hambeet, SHALASHASKA HAWKEWith 12 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 27th, 2020 at 10 a.m. AEST -- that's in about 1 day, 3 hours.
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Aug 25, 2020 21:29
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Sandwolf posted:Still think Bif is scum here. She was seemingly scumhunting a bit on D1, then totally avoided talking about SNG D2, and now on D3 she is talking primarily in a way to keep herself alive. Nah I'll let you know when I'm ready to "try to keep myself alive" thanks Sandwolf posted:Bif's insistence to return to and rest on Toal is a bad look too, imo This is an interesting way to not answer my question to you about someone who's not Toal Bifauxnen posted:I'd probably have been casing tpink too by now except... SNG's real long push on them all day yesterday seems kind of ridiculous to think of as a bus, and I don't think it looks good for Amni to be trying to turn things in tpink's direction today.
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Aug 25, 2020 21:58
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SHALASHASKA HAWKE posted:What’s up with this? To clarify, I can see now how some people might be able to realistically see Gaspy or Rarity as scum now. Still don't agree on Rarity. Gaspy is more of a possibility, he did not do well on the SNG vote and him saying he's real sure me and Beet are both town has been downright uncanny.
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Aug 25, 2020 22:13
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Bifauxnen posted:him saying he's real sure me and Beet are both town has been downright uncanny. why?
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Aug 25, 2020 22:32
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Bifauxnen posted:I'd probably have been casing tpink too by now except... SNG's real long push on them all day yesterday seems kind of ridiculous to think of as a bus, and I don't think it looks good for Amni to be trying to turn things in tpink's direction today. Like I said I don't want to think of Amni as confirmed town, and I agree tpink is not the right direction today. I still think you or Gaspy are better choices today.
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Aug 25, 2020 22:37
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Sandwolf posted:why? We 3 specifically have a long history of all clashing with each other or at the very least, living in intense paranoia if we got nothing solid on each other yet. Although fair enough you wouldn't know it in this game cause me and Beet have been so chill this game barely talking to each other at all
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Aug 25, 2020 22:43
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What are the chances of scum having a role cop to find the SK folks?
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Aug 25, 2020 22:46
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Toalpaz posted:What are the chances of scum having a role cop to find the SK folks? 2 in 7
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Aug 25, 2020 22:52
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Bifauxnen posted:To clarify, I can see now how some people might be able to realistically see Gaspy or Rarity as scum now. Still don't agree on Rarity. Gaspy is more of a possibility, he did not do well on the SNG vote and him saying he's real sure me and Beet are both town has been downright uncanny. Do you feel like rarity did better on the SNG vote? Because she did a lot of work rereading SNG only to vote gaspy at the end.
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Aug 25, 2020 22:55
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Bifauxnen posted:We 3 specifically have a long history of all clashing with each other or at the very least, living in intense paranoia if we got nothing solid on each other yet. Although fair enough you wouldn't know it in this game cause me and Beet have been so chill this game barely talking to each other at all Do you have a strong town read on sandwolf now? Do you have any other strong reads from D2?
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Hal Incandenza posted:Do you feel like rarity did better on the SNG vote? Because she did a lot of work rereading SNG only to vote gaspy at the end. No I don't think she did better there, but I still think her actually being scum is unlikely since her effort game has been solid and consistent since day one. I haven't played with her before so maybe she's just like this every game, but I definitely read it as townie here. Her case on me draws a wrong conclusion but I don't think she's being unreasonable to see it that way, compared to some of the bullshit I usually get.
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Aug 25, 2020 23:03
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Toalpaz posted:
Bif's already in the scumdoc so we can just ask her to tell us
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Aug 25, 2020 23:05
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Sandwolf posted:Don’t think I’ll vote tpink today either, even though his appearance and defending of himself looked scummy, but their interactions with SNG over days felt sincere and not a bus. I tend to agree with this, SNG's big push to save himself seemed to be to case tpink even though his vote was on gaspy late, and as you said tpinks interactions with SNG do not read like a bus at all. I think it is pretty likely that SNG's late day lumpen list would have a scumbuddy on it, but of course he chose to list 5 people as scummy (tpink/amni/sandwolf/gridlocked/bif). Had he even mentioned suspicion of bif before that post? That's something I need to look back on too. I really don't think tpink/sand/grid are scum. Amni IS the type that might bus a teammate who was playing badly, and he held back from really any other reads the first two days. Pushing tpink now is also sort of the "easy" case so he might be someone I need to look harder at.
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Toalpaz posted:Do you have a strong town read on sandwolf now? Do you have any other strong reads from D2? Not a strong read, he's sitting in the shame box rn until I can get around to looking him over again to see if it's actually plausible at all for him to have been bussing SNG. Last night I was definitely thinking he was likely town after all the noise he made, but his points today feel stretched and have been bugging me as a pretty lazy reason to push on me. Like if he wants to case me, Rarity managed to do ok without it sounding like she was just framing me up, he could take some lessons there.
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Aug 25, 2020 23:07
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Rarity posted:Bif's already in the scumdoc so we can just ask her to tell us If I was that wouldn't be probability!!
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Aug 25, 2020 23:10
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Bifauxnen posted:No I don't think she did better there, but I still think her actually being scum is unlikely since her effort game has been solid and consistent since day one. I haven't played with her before so maybe she's just like this every game, but I definitely read it as townie here. Her case on me draws a wrong conclusion but I don't think she's being unreasonable to see it that way, compared to some of the bullshit I usually get. Mmmmm yeah that was the same conclusion I came to at first so I don't disagree. Again though I think if there is an SK she would be a strong candidate because she is playing a loud game that isn't interested in finding scum, just being vocal and making sure suspicion is spread around as much as possible. Does that even make sense?
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Bifauxnen posted:Not a strong read, he's sitting in the shame box rn until I can get around to looking him over again to see if it's actually plausible at all for him to have been bussing SNG. Last night I was definitely thinking he was likely town after all the noise he made, but his points today feel stretched and have been bugging me as a pretty lazy reason to push on me. Like if he wants to case me, Rarity managed to do ok without it sounding like she was just framing me up, he could take some lessons there. Okay, so you don't have a strong read of him. But you visited him last night. Why? I'm town tracker. Night one I followed Sci going nowhere, and N2 I followed Bif to Sandwolf. Town Doc would have claimed a town read. Town Cop would have claimed a scum or town read.
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At the start of day I had come to the conclusion that Bif was probably a town power role, but her interactions with Sandwolf still felt a lil hostile to me. I tried to hint that I knew she visited sandwolf, but I don't think she reacted appropriately. I can't really sit on this information given your read of sandwolf seems contradictory to the possible town visitation usages.
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Toalpaz posted:Do you have a strong town read on sandwolf now? Do you have any other strong reads from D2? Do you mean after D2? I feel more suspicious of Amni from how he was stuffing around near the end of day, and from Sci being NKed after being the main voice making a big case on Amni. It surprised me since I didn't expect Sci to be targeted last night. I was thinking how even though I had a strong townread on him personally for his strong effort, just like Rarity, I thought there were enough people making noise otherwise that he could be kept around as a possible lunch target. I spent some time thinking about that, and thought Sandwolf might be a more likely target after his big townie points for hammering SNG home, because I had to pick someone to WATCH instead of doc dumbass
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Bif, what was your N1 result? And did anyone else visit Sandwolf?
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Bifauxnen posted:I spent some time thinking about that, and thought Sandwolf might be a more likely target after his big townie points for hammering SNG home, because I had to pick someone to WATCH instead of doc dumbass What was your N1 target?
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Aug 25, 2020 23:21
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Toalpaz posted:What was your N1 target? None. I'm only an even-night watcher so it kinda sucks
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Bifauxnen posted:None. I'm only an even-night watcher so it kinda sucks Lol no loving way
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You expect me to believe someone made a game with an every-night tracker and an even-night watcher? No loving way
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Toalpaz posted:For all that talk about buddying up you're the one that got awfully close to sandwolf yesterday I feel. Hey, I gave you a big hint. That's unfair. Anyways, we're both fairly minor roles if you aren't lying so it's all good. 
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Rarity posted:You expect me to believe someone made a game with an every-night tracker and an even-night watcher? No loving way Toal hasn't mentioned that either way I don't think? Which they prolly shouldn't if it's legit
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I suppose there's a chance that Toal is scum pulling a gambit but that would be an insanely lucky guess for them to have worked out Bif visited Sandwolf correctly
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Bifauxnen posted:Toal hasn't mentioned that either way I don't think? Which they prolly shouldn't if it's legit Toalpaz posted:Night one I followed Sci going nowhere, and N2 I followed Bif to Sandwolf.
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