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I’m actually wondering how they could have made Endgame work without the 2012 NYC 3 stone multiball that they accidentally ended up with. I guess getting each stone was separate enough it wouldn’t have padded the runtime that much, but it was cool they managed to bring the first avengers movie into the last one like that without it being planned in advance.Doctor Spaceman posted:Avengers ends with him talking about courting death. I don’t think he has any of his agents running around independently after that. There’s the black order but infinity war shows them under his direct command decades before and his collecting the stones starts with him tearing poo poo up personally at the end of Thor 3.
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Yeah, the early post-credits scenes don't really work at all and I think the Russos or the screenwriters straight up said at one point that they didn't really care too much about them because they didn't make those films and didn't want to be constrained by them.
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Ah, my bad. Like I said I haven't watched those early ones since I've seen Endgame. So I haven't really tried to piece it all together to see if it works yet.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:22
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Maybe the "I'll do it myself" ending was him grabbing his oven glove because people had hosed up baking so he was gonna bake those cookies himself
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Rewatching BP now and I never noticed that Killmonger takes the Black Panther necklace that T'Challa rejects earlier in the movie as too flashy, heh
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I think retroactively you can assume Thanos wanted Earth invaded so he could wipe out half the population manually like he did with Gamora's planet. If the Avengers had lost, Loki would be king and Thanos would let him be so long as Loki was happy to arrange the mass executions of half of the humans of Earth. I'm not sure it is clear when Thanos really started going after the stones proper but my head canon is that he probably considered it perhaps never happening, so was happy to do the culling with executions as much as possible on certain planets. My read on Thanos is that he's a psychopath who gets off on murder but likes to wrap it up in philosophical justifications, bit like Jigsaw in Saw.
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Aug 31, 2020 03:39
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Well he has Gamora and Ronan going after the Power Stone in Guardians. But yeah, my head canon is that the Stones were a long term goal but they were all hidden/lost/protected so its not like he could just grab them any time. So he was trying to genocide the old fashioned way while also working on that easier solution on the side. Then like Jane Foster finds the Reality Stone and Strange awakens the Time Stone. I like the poetic idea of Thanos only being able to find the Stones because of the Avengers' adventures exposing them all. And then Ragnarok probably creates the perfect time for Thanos to go after them all.
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Don't they literally say in endgame that he didn't seriously make a grab for all the gems until he discovered that gamora knew where the soul gem was
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He gets the information originally from torturing/hacking Nebula so yeah, I guess that was the last one. Then time travel gets him that info pre-Guardians but I can't really remember the timeline or if he just found out where the Soul Stone was from Nebula or the location of all the Stones. I gotta give Endgame a second watch. Which means just doing the whole drat thing over.
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Karloff posted:I think retroactively you can assume Thanos wanted Earth invaded so he could wipe out half the population manually like he did with Gamora's planet. If the Avengers had lost, Loki would be king and Thanos would let him be so long as Loki was happy to arrange the mass executions of half of the humans of Earth. I'm not sure it is clear when Thanos really started going after the stones proper but my head canon is that he probably considered it perhaps never happening, so was happy to do the culling with executions as much as possible on certain planets. My read on Thanos is that he's a psychopath who gets off on murder but likes to wrap it up in philosophical justifications, bit like Jigsaw in Saw. See that I get, the issue is that there's this whole complicated plot to get there when he could have just headed over
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Thanos being dishonest, even with himself, about his motives would fit really well with the comic character, but I don't think it would mesh very well with the movie character's ending in Infinity War and Endgame.
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It can all be written off as the Russos having to work around Whedon's bullshit.
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I think the official explanation was that Thanos didn’t want to move openly until the location of the Soul gem was found because then other forces could gather to oppose him. Once he has a way to get that info, he gets them all within like a day.
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Aug 31, 2020 04:21
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No matter how you justify it narratively it still comes across like he spent decades sitting on his rear end before getting even a single stone.
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Aug 31, 2020 04:33
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So he’s a bit of a schlub, it’s endearing.
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His chair might not look comfortable, but trust me, it's very ergonomic. He didn't want to have to get up unless it was really go time.
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Lurdiak posted:No matter how you justify it narratively it still comes across like he spent decades sitting on his rear end before getting even a single stone. He had the Mind Stone and lost it in one of his many bad hiring decisions.
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THANOS: Oh, that’s great. The guy who’s dirty dancing with his niece is going to tell the guy in the thirty-six hundred dollar gauntlet how to run the business. Come on.
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Retro Futurist posted:Rewatching The Avengers, and man Thanos' involvement makes less sense here than in Ultron. Well actually the tesseract has the space stone in there so I believe you will find that Thanos' actions make complete sense. 
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The wife and I watched Civil War on Saturday to commemorate Chadwick Boseman's death. Even though I had to keep assuring her that he was in the film and didn't just show up at the ending. One thing I noticed is the speech King T'Chacka gave he is upfront about Wakanda having Vibrinium, where as in the Black Panther movie it's a major secret. Goof? Or is it a sign that T'Chacka was going to change Wakanda's role in the world before his untimely death. Speaking of, the speech Boseman gave after his father died is really haunting, especially now.
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Isn't the secret how much Vibranium they have (and their overall technological status) rather than its existence? I can't remember.
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Also, remember, Thanos is insane.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Isn't the secret how much Vibranium they have (and their overall technological status) rather than its existence? I can't remember. Yeah I think in Black Panther Ross has some dialogue that suggests they know it was there, but that they'd been assured it was all gone now.
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CaptainApathyUK posted:Yeah I think in Black Panther Ross has some dialogue that suggests they know it was there, but that they'd been assured it was all gone now. Tony Stark mentions in Age of Ultron that Wakanda is known to have vibranium, that's Ultron was working with Klaw.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Isn't the secret how much Vibranium they have (and their overall technological status) rather than its existence? I can't remember. Yes. People know they have vibranium, but they claim that it takes decades to mine even small amounts, that all their mines are played out, and that Klaw essentially stole their entire working supply.
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Cythereal posted:Tony Stark mentions in Age of Ultron that Wakanda is known to have vibranium, that's Ultron was working with Klaw. Cap's shield is made of vibranium. Howard Stark talks about it in Cap 1.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Cap's shield is made of vibranium. Howard Stark talks about it in Cap 1. Howard Stark totally stole that Vibranium. Or at least paid someone who stole it.
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twistedmentat posted:Howard Stark totally stole that Vibranium. Or at least paid someone who stole it. Really wish they'd stuck with "Your industrialist dad was a bad person" in Iron Man 2 instead of making it a big misunderstanding.
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Lurdiak posted:Really wish they'd stuck with "Your industrialist dad was a bad person" in Iron Man 2 instead of making it a big misunderstanding. Yeah, most definitely.
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I feel like Howard was as bad as most capitalist industrialists. Which is to say, he probably never had anyone directly murdered but like, he's a little responsible. Howard Stark would get the guillotine is what I'm saying.
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Lurdiak posted:Really wish they'd stuck with "Your industrialist dad was a bad person" in Iron Man 2 instead of making it a big misunderstanding. That would genuinely have been such a ridiculous improvement. Cartridgeblowers posted:I feel like Howard was as bad as most capitalist industrialists. Which is to say, he probably never had anyone directly murdered but like, he's a little responsible. Howard Stark would get the guillotine is what I'm saying. I mean to be fair so would most of the Avengers. They are either absurdly wealthy, war criminals, or propaganda tools. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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CaptainApathyUK posted:Yeah I think in Black Panther Ross has some dialogue that suggests they know it was there, but that they'd been assured it was all gone now. Rewatching it now and he straight up accuses Klaue of stealing "all of it". Also I hope they somehow do BP2 as a prequel, because Sirkis is just absolutely delightful in this, and Sterling K. Brown is great with what he has but he's pretty wasted on a 2 min role. Opopanax fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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site posted:Don't they literally say in endgame that he didn't seriously make a grab for all the gems until he discovered that gamora knew where the soul gem was Did they ever say how Gamora knew that? I haven't rewatched either Guardians in a long while but it seemed really random. ImpAtom posted:That would genuinely have been such a ridiculous improvement. Tony's all three!
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They never say, it’s just on an old mission before she even turned on him. She found out and kept it secret.
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Hey, welcome aboard Cartridgeblowers as the new thread IK!
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How Wonderful! posted:Hey, welcome aboard Cartridgeblowers as the new thread IK! Thank you! I hope to be able to keep us talking about movies here in the brave new world that is one where people have seen New Mutants. Thread IK Cartridgeblowers wait why is his name plural?  Release Date: August 31st, 2020 Cast: The Poster FKA Little Mac as Cartridgeblowers Brie Larsen as Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel Stan Lee as Himself Directed By: Carty "it's the name of my twitch channel, jeez" B Plot: The Snyder Cut is coming. People have LIVES. So just, like, be chill. Pandemic Challenges In Filming: Listen, I don't want to talk about MY pandemic experience. I teach from home. It's actually awesome. Real Trailer Fake Trailers
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Carty B is a really good pun.
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Lurdiak posted:Really wish they'd stuck with "Your industrialist dad was a bad person" in Iron Man 2 instead of making it a big misunderstanding. Yeah sins-of-the-fathers stuff worked really well for Ragnarok and Black Panther. Replacing "your dad was a flawed person, you should do better" with "he was always right you idiot" was a baffling choice.
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Dan Didio posted:Carty B is a really good pun. Someone in my chat said it and I loved it. It's very silly and good.
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no news on what Marvel Studios is actually going to do (obviously, given that it's only been a few days), but it's surprising that Boseman was apparently able to keep his diagnosis from everyone at Marvel and Disney https://twitter.com/THR/status/1301168805759115266
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