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mikeycp
Nov 24, 2010

I've changed a lot since I started hanging with Sonic, but I can't depend on him forever. I know I can do this by myself! Okay, Eggman! Bring it on!

Amnistar posted:

We don't? Why not?

less day = less content = less analysis

the only people who want days to end early are non-townies

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Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Amnistar posted:

We don't? Why not?

Cause it cuts off the chance for people to make content, especially people who have been quiet so far.

Anyway, thinking about Sal I could go either way on that claim cause that could easily be a scum power as well but the self-vote reads like legit frustration and 9 times out 10 that I've seen people do that they're town. I'm gonna switch back to ##vote Byers

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Tommunist posted:

Hey sand wolf hows your day going

it's been more stressful than I'd like but it's largely my own fault so what can ya do - pure online schooling is loving so much trash

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


mikeycp posted:

less day = less content = less analysis

the only people who want days to end early are non-townies

wrong

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Sandwolf posted:

sal what's the flavor for your person to be able to steal influence?

https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Flynn_Boyle

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
as for why i think sal's town despite the awful awful awful posts so far...

um, hello? scum actually read the words they're typing before they post them. because scum are self-conscious about being found. scum also has a team they can talk to out of thread and answer questions such as "hey, what is the town alignment called?"

there is absolutely no way a scum player continues to be this confused about it genuinely. so he's either town or scum has expressly decided to keep up the confusion in some sort of wifom attempt

if you think his confusion is real, he's town. case closed

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Rarity posted:

Cause it cuts off the chance for people to make content, especially people who have been quiet so far.

Anyway, thinking about Sal I could go either way on that claim cause that could easily be a scum power as well but the self-vote reads like legit frustration and 9 times out 10 that I've seen people do that they're town. I'm gonna switch back to ##vote Byers

Prolonging the day artificially is the opposite of helpful. It kills momentum on an execution and results in panicked deadlines.

mikeycp
Nov 24, 2010

I've changed a lot since I started hanging with Sonic, but I can't depend on him forever. I know I can do this by myself! Okay, Eggman! Bring it on!

nah

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

mikeycp posted:

less day = less content = less analysis

the only people who want days to end early are non-townies

Actually illiterate milk goblins like me also want it to end

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Sandwolf posted:

sal what's the flavor for your person to be able to steal influence?

I don't know? I mean I'm a human, I own a porn shop and I can cause people to lose influence. I'm not sure what the mechanism is for it, I'm sure if I played the game it would make total sense.

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Mr. Steak posted:

as for why i think sal's town despite the awful awful awful posts so far...

um, hello? scum actually read the words they're typing before they post them. because scum are self-conscious about being found. scum also has a team they can talk to out of thread and answer questions such as "hey, what is the town alignment called?"

there is absolutely no way a scum player continues to be this confused about it genuinely. so he's either town or scum has expressly decided to keep up the confusion in some sort of wifom attempt

if you think his confusion is real, he's town. case closed

I have literally seen this exact scenario play out by a scum team mate. It does happen.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Amnistar posted:

Prolonging the day artificially is the opposite of helpful. It kills momentum on an execution and results in panicked deadlines.

this is correct imo.

also sometimes the best reads comes from who hammers early and why

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
that said I don't think Sal should be voted off today

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Mr. Steak posted:

as for why i think sal's town despite the awful awful awful posts so far...

um, hello? scum actually read the words they're typing before they post them. because scum are self-conscious about being found. scum also has a team they can talk to out of thread and answer questions such as "hey, what is the town alignment called?"

there is absolutely no way a scum player continues to be this confused about it genuinely. so he's either town or scum has expressly decided to keep up the confusion in some sort of wifom attempt

if you think his confusion is real, he's town. case closed

How do you explain the mafia scum list and his response to being pushed on it

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Amnistar posted:

Prolonging the day artificially is the opposite of helpful. It kills momentum on an execution and results in panicked deadlines.

this. i dont want sal hammered, but this

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.
Yea, if you think sal is town, please argue against the execution. If you think sal is scum, then waiting to hammer nets you nothing that can't be gained after the night phase is over.

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.
Especially day 1. Later there might be some call to get people to check in to be able to share potential night action information, but day 1...yea...

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
unironically, deadline culture is killing mafia and we need to end it

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


SalTheBard posted:

I don't know? I mean I'm a human, I own a porn shop and I can cause people to lose influence. I'm not sure what the mechanism is for it, I'm sure if I played the game it would make total sense.

There is no written excuse for why owning a porn shop could cause others to lose influence?

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
and by "end it" i of course mean put mafia out of its misery

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib


Maybe we let some other people comment too?

Sandwolf posted:

There is no written excuse for why owning a porn shop could cause others to lose influence?

Again...I didn't write the role PM

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Tommunist posted:

How do you explain the mafia scum list and his response to being pushed on it

Answer me !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Tommunist posted:

How do you explain the mafia scum list and his response to being pushed on it

how do i explain the what?

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
here are my argument's against Sal's execution:

1. Sal does stuff like this every game
2. he's going to flip town and we're going to get 0 information from it

Tobbs Gnawed
Apr 4, 2007

All round mafia nice guy

SalTheBard posted:

I don't know? I mean I'm a human, I own a porn shop and I can cause people to lose influence. I'm not sure what the mechanism is for it, I'm sure if I played the game it would make total sense.

He was only asking because you literally said you drain influence.

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Jon Joe posted:

here are my argument's against Sal's execution:

1. Sal does stuff like this every game
2. he's going to flip town and we're going to get 0 information from it

JJ I always and truly appreciate it when you defend me (especially when you are the lone voice) but it's totally fine. I did this to myself by not understanding my role pm and making a stupid loving joke.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Amni, what do you think of Sal's claim/self-vote?

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Sandwolf posted:

There is no written excuse for why owning a porn shop could cause others to lose influence?

does your pm give a written excuse for your ability? cuz mine doesnt

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Mr. Steak posted:

how do i explain the what?

????? Mr steak please read his dumb lumpen scum list, read mibe/marks response to it then read his response to that.

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SalTheBard posted:

JJ I always and truly appreciate it when you defend me (especially when you are the lone voice) but it's totally fine. I did this to myself by not understanding my role pm and making a stupid loving joke.

am i a joke to you?

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Mr. Steak posted:

am i a joke to you?

Yes

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

He was only asking because you literally said you drain influence.

Again...not sure what gives me the ability to steal influence.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

SalTheBard posted:

JJ I always and truly appreciate it when you defend me (especially when you are the lone voice) but it's totally fine. I did this to myself by not understanding my role pm and making a stupid loving joke.

buddy im here to play mafia which means vote scum and not town and convince others to do the same

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Rarity posted:

Amni, what do you think of Sal's claim/self-vote?

He comes across as frustrated, which isnt really a tell for any alignment. I dont see him trying to find scum in the people votingbhim though, so I an happy leaving my vote where it is, even though it means killing my survivor bro on D1 of a big game.

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Mr. Steak posted:

am i a joke to you?

Apologies bud.

Tobbs Gnawed
Apr 4, 2007

All round mafia nice guy

SalTheBard posted:

Again...not sure what gives me the ability to steal influence.

At this point I half-expected you to say you use your pointy white fangs

Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.
Claim is fine, whatever. Flavor things don't always mesh with powers, and its null tell anyway since stealing influence is pro whatever team the stealer is on, anti whichever team he is not.

mikeycp
Nov 24, 2010

I've changed a lot since I started hanging with Sonic, but I can't depend on him forever. I know I can do this by myself! Okay, Eggman! Bring it on!
maybe he sells surveillance video of powerful people walking into his shop

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Jon Joe posted:

here are my argument's against Sal's execution:

1. Sal does stuff like this every game
2. he's going to flip town and we're going to get 0 information from it

Agreed

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Amnistar
Nov 6, 2008

I am a wizard, not a poet.

Jon Joe posted:

here are my argument's against Sal's execution:

1. Sal does stuff like this every game
2. he's going to flip town and we're going to get 0 information from it

1. I disagree.
2. We learn who did and did not vote for him, and why, and can find the people afraid to be part of a town flip, or happy to join in a bandwagon. Or sal will flip scuk and you'll eat crow.

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