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Gonna make my prediction here that Johnny ends up working for Daniel at the dealership by the end of the series. They've established at a couple of points that he knows a ton about cars, even correcting Daniel. He has also been established as being an actually really good salesperson. He keeps being one step ahead of Daniel in advertising the dojo and repeatedly convinces people to do things whenever he decides to use words instead of fists. With his macho 80's attitude, he'd be the perfect guy to move overpriced "sports" cars to dumb rich dudes having mid life crisis. "Sure you could buy this one for less money, but look at it. It's the kind of car a pussy drives. You want to get babes, you need something like this." Either way, looking forward to the first time we get to see the two of them spar without caring who beats who, instead of just throwing down. It's the classic 80's thing, you two are the only two people who can actually understand one another, please be friends! Really enjoying the show. I think season 2 was a bit weaker than 1, but will probably flow better once season 3 is out. I find it funny that almost every problem in the plot is caused by poor communication skills, especially by people who should know better like Daniel. His poor wife, didn't like her character in the first couple episodes but I think she's one of the most sympathetic and level-headed now. Like, just have a conversation about something for once people. You don't have to always jump to the worst conclusion over and over! Current worst offender for this in my opinion is Daniel breaking into Johnny's apartment and assaulting him because Robby brought Sam there. You've been mentoring the dudes son and you just had a nice dinner with him where you kind of connected. Maybe stop to consider that sheltering your dead drunk daughter and her panicked boyfriend in a safe place is the act of a friend, not an enemy. Daniel's anger issues and Johnny's stubbornness in response drive most of the plot. I also like how they managed(much like the first film)to be like "Haha, check out this show about dope karate and nostalgia!" Then you start watching and it's all "You fool, you rube, it was secretly a show about relationships between fathers and sons, and generational trauma, the entire time!"
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Lemony posted:I also like how they managed(much like the first film)to be like "Haha, check out this show about dope karate and nostalgia!" Then you start watching and it's all "You fool, you rube, it was secretly a show about relationships between fathers and sons, and generational trauma, the entire time!" Yeah this. Like, I loved the Karate Kid films from back in the day, I grew up in the 90's so obviously they were something I've seen. But man this show blew me away. I really did not expect it to be as good as it is. I watched the first episode when it came out on Youtube Red back in the day but didn't enjoy it. It felt like a nostalgia cash grab. Boy was I wrong. It's got so much heart. The way I see it, Cobra Kai and Miyagi-Do are competing life philosophies. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Cobra Kai teaches strength, aggression, and assertiveness. Which to bullied or neglected kids, is probably something they need more of. Where Miyagi-Do is more about finding your balance and learning to love life. Demetri really couldn't take to Cobra Kai from his mindset, but Miyagi-Do is much more suited to his personality. I think the end of the series will be Daniel and Johnny coming together to teach martial arts together. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Sep 4, 2020 22:38
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Nelson Mandingo posted:The way I see it, Cobra Kai and Miyagi-Do are competing life philosophies. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think the end of the series will be Daniel and Johnny coming together to teach martial arts together. This is what I'm thinking too. Both Cobra Kai and Miyago-do will "die" but the Lawrence and LaRusso dojo will be created. Or maybe the Double L dojo since it sounds more badass. Johnny gets first billing because of a bet made before he beats Daniel in a friendly fight that we're all waiting to see happen.
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Lemony posted:I also like how they managed(much like the first film)to be like "Haha, check out this show about dope karate and nostalgia!" Then you start watching and it's all "You fool, you rube, it was secretly a show about relationships between fathers and sons, and generational trauma, the entire time!" Wasn't the first one kinda secretly about too? Did anyone ever mention Daniel's father in the first movie? I always say Miyagi as Daniel's stand in father when everything went to crap. The irony is that Daniel does the same to his son.
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waah posted:Wasn't the first one kinda secretly about too? Did anyone ever mention Daniel's father in the first movie? I always say Miyagi as Daniel's stand in father when everything went to crap. That's kinda my point. The first film is secretly about father/son relationships, while pretending to be about punch men. It's appropriate that this series continues with the theme. The latter seasons of Community were so-so, but they had a decent episode where a director goes off on Annie for thinking that The Karate Kid is about Daniel. He's got a whole bit about how the story is actually about Mr. Miyagi and Daniel is just kind of the PoV character.
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Sep 5, 2020 02:28
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Lemony posted:The latter seasons of Community were so-so, but they had a decent episode where a director goes off on Annie for thinking that The Karate Kid is about Daniel. He's got a whole bit about how the story is actually about Mr. Miyagi and Daniel is just kind of the PoV character. I don’t think I realized until that episode that Morita got an Oscar nom, but he absolutely earned it on the strength of the drunk scene. That one still hits so hard.
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Lemony posted:That's kinda my point. The first film is secretly about father/son relationships, while pretending to be about punch men. It's appropriate that this series continues with the theme. lovely audio, but anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWse86dPqiY
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Season 2 so far is kinda bummer because Cobra Kai was cool in season 1 and Johnny seemed to legit turn it around by punishing Hawk and Miguel But now Cobra Kai are back to the bullies and villains. I guess thats cuz of Kreese but I wanna see Sensei Johnny's dojo again
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TMMadman posted:lovely audio, but anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtUN2DfjPOM The full performance is worth a watch, too.
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Having finished season 2 I think the 3rd season should be the last. I love this series but I think there's only enough compelling drama for one more season, a fourth season would drag it on too long. What I really want is more roles for William Zabka. It's a crime he's not already a household name.
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I think this current arc's heading into its end for sure. But I also think you could get at least a season or two out of a Lawrence-LaRusso Dojo and what it has to go through on its upswing. Any other season of the current status quo, though, and I'll scream.
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SardonicTyrant posted:Having finished season 2 I think the 3rd season should be the last. I love this series but I think there's only enough compelling drama for one more season, a fourth season would drag it on too long. Nah, it's gotta be at least 4 or 5 seasons imo. There's too much that needs to be resolved and a lot of them could essentially mirror various plot lines from both the 2nd and 3rd movie.
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Yeah agreed with previous two posters: I def think it should end before it drags but I think we have more than a season of material left. I wouldn't be unsatisfied if they ended it here tho, end of season 2 was Johnny's lowest point and great for an Act 2 ending going into the final stretch. Basically just as long as they introduce new challenges and situations and don't just bloat it rehashing the same drama.
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TMMadman posted:Nah, it's gotta be at least 4 or 5 seasons imo. There's too much that needs to be resolved and a lot of them could essentially mirror various plot lines from both the 2nd and 3rd movie. When they signed with Netflix, articles mentioned they may do spinoffs at some point in the future.
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How I see it: S3: Resolve Krees, maybe at least they team up for that goal. Maybe some stuff with Ali S4: Rebuilding reputation, Miyaki-Do will deffo get slandered for some reason as well. Sorta restarting the rivalry, but in a friendly way (with help from Ali?) S5: Actually accepting eachother, resolve friendships for the Kids and learning from eachother. S4 and S5 can be merged if they get too few seasons.
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Miyagi Kai dojo is the natural conclusion of the series. Whether it's Sam and Miguel starting it or Johnny and Daniel, that's definitely where it's gonna finish up.
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Wait Is this a Power Rangers series Like Miyagi is the dead Zordon and then Daniel is the Red Ranger and Johnny is maybe gonna be the Green Ranger, and they're both Ranger/Mentors like Cam from Ninja Storm or Tommy from Dino Thunder And then of course, Miguel and Aisha and Hawk and Robby are all rangers, too. I'm not that far but really,  I'm almost CERTAIN that this is a power ranger.
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Sep 5, 2020 20:06
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Robby's not a Power Ranger, he's just a snack.
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Sep 5, 2020 21:34
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Rhyno posted:They HAVE to bring back Mike Barnes or Terry Silver. Yep. Terry Silver was just too good of a villain. Well maybe not a villain but he was absolutely delightful to watch, and knowing that he's like 6'18" or something obnoxious like that and towering over everyone makes it even better.
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Netflix taking the show on allowed me to re-watch the season again for the first time since it originally aired, and I desperately want a resolution. Come on Netflix, Season 3 was filmed ages ago, give it to me 
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Weasling Weasel posted:Netflix taking the show on allowed me to re-watch the season again for the first time since it originally aired, and I desperately want a resolution. Come on Netflix, Season 3 was filmed ages ago, give it to me I get securing the deal and then releasing the first 2 seasons to build hype but yeah I don't get waiting until 2021 when you have the perfect opportunity to release it while everyone is hungry for new content (I guess there's a strong possibility that they really just don't have much left in the pipeline and this is part of a process to slow roll it tho)
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Weasling Weasel posted:Netflix taking the show on allowed me to re-watch the season again for the first time since it originally aired, and I desperately want a resolution. Come on Netflix, Season 3 was filmed ages ago, give it to me The wait for season 3 is even worse if you were expecting it to drop in March. Really wish Netflix didn't save it for 2021. Guy A. Person posted:I get securing the deal and then releasing the first 2 seasons to build hype but yeah I don't get waiting until 2021 when you have the perfect opportunity to release it while everyone is hungry for new content (I guess there's a strong possibility that they really just don't have much left in the pipeline and this is part of a process to slow roll it tho) I imagine Netflix has no filmed content for next year and wants to make sure they have something to release in 2021. It may be a while until filming resumes on any of their original content.
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Great show and I really love both seasons. One thing I wondered, since the writers seem to love characters having multiple motivations, is if Ali being a pediatric surgeon ties into Miguel’s injury? I know we saw the friend request on the phone but maybe dealing with Miguel would spin up her conflict with Daniel and Johnny if she’s brought In as a specialist and finds out the high school poo poo is still going on.
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Othin posted:Great show and I really love both seasons. One thing I wondered, since the writers seem to love characters having multiple motivations, is if Ali being a pediatric surgeon ties into Miguel’s injury? I know we saw the friend request on the phone but maybe dealing with Miguel would spin up her conflict with Daniel and Johnny if she’s brought In as a specialist and finds out the high school poo poo is still going on. The best part of the Ali arc would be the tension of Daniel still having a thing for her quickly get deflated with her and Daniel's wife bonding over how stupid all this is. 
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The Bee posted:I think this current arc's heading into its end for sure. But I also think you could get at least a season or two out of a Lawrence-LaRusso Dojo and what it has to go through on its upswing. Any other season of the current status quo, though, and I'll scream. Some kind of synthesis makes sense, sure. I think, before that can happen, they’d have to make it more clear what’s inadequate about Daniel’s philosophy...if Cobra Kai is too aggressive, maybe Daniel is too passive. It’s easy to see how Cobra Kai’s “don’t be a pussy” outlook is toxic and meat-headed, but maybe Miyagi-Do is a way of avoiding necessary conflict. Sometimes confrontation is good. I’m definitely anticipating a point where Johnny learns some Miyagi-Do, though. Maybe to connect with his son, but also just as a corrective therapeutic thing...he could benefit from the stillness and introspection it’s all about. I’m 50/50 on whether or not Daniel’s son is going to wind up in Cobra Kai, though. That soft, lazy little jackass could use a firmer hand than his father is able to provide.
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Miyagi-do strikes me as an incredibly intimate, personal thing. Daniel neither has the time or the know-how to actually run a dojo. Even having, what, 5 students? Lead to him completely neglecting his business and the people in his life. It also turns out that if you aren't already on board, wax-on wax-off is an incredibly frustrating and tricky to understand style to market. Finally, Daniel might be passionate about karate, but he founded the dojo out of spite, not necessarily out of love. In general, that's going to cloud and compromise your vision. In contrast, Cobra Kai is direct, straightforward, and teaches you a lot about the techniques you're using. Even if the philosophy behind Miyagi-do is a lot nobler than the one behind Cobra Kai, Johnny (in the absence of Kreese) is arguably the more effective teacher, especially as you upscale the number of students. Daniel can give his personal touch to the problem students like Robbie and Demitri, while Johnny can handle the large day to day groups.
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Danny is basically a White Knight, jumping in to situations to protect people even if it's the wrong call.
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Lemony posted:Gonna make my prediction here that Johnny ends up working for Daniel at the dealership by the end of the series. They've established at a couple of points that he knows a ton about cars, even correcting Daniel. I just started season 2 but I still doubt it, Daniel is literally Sato.   Which then makes Johnny the washed up old drunk bum who has no faith in himself and lives in a spare room as a handyman of a 1-star hotel. This is sort of a tangent, but it just irks me how much Miyagi is always seen as the great master, like that's the story what went down originally. The biggest issue I have of the recovery narrative in this society is how little recognition we give to how much the "Miyagi" is helped by the "Daniel". Like we look at it as a movie where this dude came in and was Daniel's master, but from Miyagi's point of view, Daniel did just as much to completely rebuild Miyagi's entire life, and believe me, if you ever go through something like this, it will definitely feel that way. The Bee posted:In contrast, Cobra Kai is direct, straightforward, and teaches you a lot about the techniques you're using. Even if the philosophy behind Miyagi-do is a lot nobler than the one behind Cobra Kai, Johnny (in the absence of Kreese) is arguably the more effective teacher, especially as you upscale the number of students. Daniel can give his personal touch to the problem students like Robbie and Demitri, while Johnny can handle the large day to day groups. Is it nobler, though? Johnny seems to be doing a good job fixing the issues that were problems with it, lately. "No mercy", especially, can simply be interpreted as "complete honesty". A lot of problems are caused by trying to be a "good guy", trying to hold back when you really shouldn't, when you really should be open and completely honest. Cobra Kai has a lot of good things to learn as far as I'm concerned. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 6, 2020 |
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So many of these problems would be solved if these people would talk to each other instead of immediately ghosting/punching. Daniel in particular is too hung up on the past to effectively communicate in any situation that can even be loosely tied back to Johnny. The kids I get, they're dumb teenagers, but Daniel's gotta move on, man. He became a successful car dealer with a good looking wife, while Johnny is drunk all day on coors banquet and estranged from his son. Daniel already won. Stop being so angry and ready to fight all the time. I thought the scene in season 1 where they got drunk at the bar would've been them turning the corner but neither that nor the pretty funny restaurant scene seems to have done anything for daniel. Also hawk what the hell man, how did his brain get so broken? His friendship/now rivalry with Demetri is so messed up. He went crazy with arrogance like immediately.
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Xealot posted:Some kind of synthesis makes sense, sure. I think, before that can happen, they’d have to make it more clear what’s inadequate about Daniel’s philosophy...if Cobra Kai is too aggressive, maybe Daniel is too passive. It’s easy to see how Cobra Kai’s “don’t be a pussy” outlook is toxic and meat-headed, but maybe Miyagi-Do is a way of avoiding necessary conflict. Sometimes confrontation is good. It's very simple. Cobra Kai is trapped in this "Strike First" attitude. Miyagi-Do is the complete opposite, only defense EVER. Strike First? Strike Last? Daniel saw with the Wheel practice on the pond that neither works, because we are hopelessly interconnected in life, and cannot live without affecting each other at all times. So if you're too late to strike first by the time you throw your first punch, and you can't let the other guy move first either unless you, like, stop breathing, then you have to move at the same time. Balance. All you can do is strike together, like the bon dance, the floating wheel, or I suppose even the concrete truck. The moment you try to win, you lose. It's a taoism thing.
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To be fair, Danny is the one who struck first. This series wouldn't even happen if he didn't try shutting down Cobra Kai with the bullshit rent scheme.
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just watched this whole thing at once and wanted to stop in here and mention that i have never seen so much casual, unacknowledged drunk driving in what is essentially a kids tv show lol shows good tho. never really liked larusso. cobra kai never dies!!
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I think Daniel's legitimately traumatized. And a major part of this show seems to be that pain and trauma caused by others can make even good people do some bad, bad things.
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ilmucche posted:Also hawk what the hell man, how did his brain get so broken? His friendship/now rivalry with Demetri is so messed up. He went crazy with arrogance like immediately. That I can believe. People who were picked on usually immediately start picking on others the minute they get the opportunity.
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SardonicTyrant posted:To be fair, Danny is the one who struck first. This series wouldn't even happen if he didn't try shutting down Cobra Kai with the bullshit rent scheme. Seriously, Danny is a loving douche. Sure, Johnny is too, racist, general dirtbag. But Daniel just has so little sympathy for anyone else's point of view. It's kind of funny. He's so shocked when things don't go his way, every time. As if he just got pushed off a cliff.
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One of the most confusing bits of the whole show for me is when Sam has a party while her parents are gone. The LaRussos come home to find their daughter having a pool party with beer and weed at their house. Daniel breaks up the party. Mrs. LaRusso gets mad at Daniel for embarrassing their daughter in front of the kids.
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