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Bioshuffle posted:Part of me thinks it would be just as interesting if they were the one and the same. Well, it's been a long search, but we finally got him. It's you. You are the reason we got Season 8 of GoT. twistedmentat posted:Maeve and Starlight we've seen can put on normal clothing and be normal [...] A Dude just changes his clothes but thats about it. Yeah the showrunners have definitely made some nice points with the whole thing and not only with the "women have to be perfect otherwise they are unremarkable" thing you've already said. There's only another supe we have seen in plain clothes so far: A-Train. And when he's not wearing his supe's persona, he's immediately singled out by a security guard...for being a young black man looking at expensive stuff in a store. A-Train-branded expensive stuff, on top of that. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Tenzarin posted:What if stormfront is a clone of liberty? Or if stormfront and homelander are clones of liberty? Or if homelander is really liberty/stormfront's child? Stormfront is a really drunk Butcher in a wig. He’s not really zapping minorities- he is gently pushing them out of the way... with lightning. He’s new at this technique and currently making some mistakes but working tirelessly to improve. Also he thought that guy was wearing a yellow shirt and meant to insult him for his poor fashion choice. See guys? Not racist... he just hates jerks in tacky shirts. Also Stormfront is both Homelanders mother AND second cousin. Possibly the family cat too DogsInSpace! fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 11:33
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Also, Liberty is definitely Stormfront, but just for the sake of fun, these are the only two actual images of Liberty in the show so far I believe: What interests me about those two images is that Liberty has been around since what looks like the 1950s from the Bud advert, but also remains a contemporary brand. It raises speculation that there is an actual Liberty out there and it isn't Stormfront. However, that doesn't mean that Stormfront never was Liberty. It's more than feasible that she was committing racist murders in the South for decades while nobody really cared, but got taken out of circulation when people started noticing. I will raise one thought that occurred to me, though. What if Stormfront was a replacement for the original Liberty, made by Vought with the intention of her being a charter member of the Seven but then withdrawn because it turned out she was a racist murderer? It would create some interesting character dynamics, especially if it turns out that Liberty was originally intended to be the leader of the team.
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Sep 13, 2020 11:40
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I think the 'problem' with a lot of the other supes is that the nature of Homelander's character is that he makes everyone in a scene with him shrivel up in fear, and Antony Starr is absolutely killing the role. This season also feels far more Homelander centric this time, so the proportion of time we're seeing characters in his presence is far greater. veni veni veni posted:I feel like Starlight being sort of a void of personality is thematically appropriate/works. Yeah, Starlight is a child prodigy who has only ever been allowed by her parents to be one thing, and then she gets her dream job and it turns out to be a continuation of complete control of her life and how she presents to the world. Part of her rebellion is the realisation that she will never be allowed to have her own personality if she stays on that path.
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Sep 13, 2020 11:43
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Jedit posted:What interests me about those two images is that Liberty has been around since what looks like the 1950s from the Bud advert, but also remains a contemporary brand. It raises speculation that there is an actual Liberty out there and it isn't Stormfront. However, that doesn't mean that Stormfront never was Liberty. It's more than feasible that she was committing racist murders in the South for decades while nobody really cared, but got taken out of circulation when people started noticing. Regardless of fan theory stuff that Budweiser ad looks 1970s not 1950s
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Sep 13, 2020 11:45
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As Nero Danced posted:Makes that "now laser my tits" thing from the trailer something else, doesn't it. Is this an implication of warming her milk? Because that's what you've done.
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Sep 13, 2020 12:43
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Golden Bee posted:Maybe Hughie will take stormfront, who is liberty, on the Downeaster Alexa. Nah, Hughie only sees shades of gray
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Sep 13, 2020 12:45
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veni veni veni posted:Regardless of fan theory stuff that Budweiser ad looks 1970s not 1950s 1960 Bud advert: 
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Sep 13, 2020 13:03
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Is this an implication of warming her milk? Because that's what you've done. I hadn't thought that far into it, I don't know what I was implying but it's loving weird no matter what.
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Sep 13, 2020 13:15
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The season 1 deleted scenes give Maeve a bit more to do, and cover the reason she and Homelander split up, as well as adding a bit more meat on the bone to her relationship with Elena. There's something about Maeve that I can't quite put my finger on, she feels like a peripheral part of the show this season and I don't know if that's because her character isn't really developing past what we already know, or whether it's simply because she hasn't actually had to use her powers, or be used at all for anything really. Starlight is an audience surrogate, and Stormfront is basically the focal point of this season, and the other supes have been heavily involved and/or used their powers, which leaves Maeve sortof out in the cold. I strongly disagree about A-Train being a weak character too. His comment to Starlight about people who have come from wealth being the ones that talk as if it's not important was a poignant moment out of left field, and I feel like his role is going to expand over the coming episodes.
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Sep 13, 2020 14:41
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I think this show just realized that the #1 way to make smart Super Hero stories in 2020 is to give your villains realistic pathos instead of making them 2D caricatures of bad guys from Capt. Planet. Like can you think of another show where two of the central cast are serial rapists? And beyond that, serial rapists who are given ample enough screen time to their insecurities and emotional trauma? I mean there are still people hate-watching this show and tweeting about “I can’t watch a show that makes me sympathize with a rapist!!!!!” every episode and it’s like... ok so go watch Law & Order SVU then, or literally every other show with rape in it, ever. They are very carefully laying out why The Deep and Homelander are these disgusting animals and giving them real concrete reasons that sound real and make sense. Of COURSE the deep would be a predator if he is completely insecure to the point that he suffers from body dysmorphia, and so on. Honestly it’s dumb but even with the superhero tights these plot lines seem like way more realistic depictions of serial predators than a lot of people want to accept, because the world is easier to digest if all rapists are violent lurking predators instead of sad, pathetic men who just don’t have any emotional guidance.
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Sep 13, 2020 14:51
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Durzel posted:The season 1 deleted scenes give Maeve a bit more to do, and cover the reason she and Homelander split up, as well as adding a bit more meat on the bone to her relationship with Elena. drat I wish they had kept a lot of those scenes But I wish that about most shows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzH4CDmZ3h8
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Sep 13, 2020 15:02
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So despite there being billions of asians in the world, 92% of supes are white and 1% are asian. People really had to buy into the "god chose them" narrative to not figure out they were made by an American company sooner.
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Sep 13, 2020 15:15
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Bioshuffle posted:It wouldn't surprise me if some of the goons in this thread start claiming Homelander and Doppleganger are the same character because they're portrayed by the same actor. Why even bother watching the show if they already have all the puzzle pieces figured out? It's baffling. To say the least. Lol that a goon named bioshuffle is somehow reincarnating arguments and the misconceptions behind them that lets black ppl get killed every day. Just lol.
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Sep 13, 2020 15:22
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Rando posted:Liberty stabbed Shannon. This is my earliest memory of goons being really poo poo at watching TV
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Sep 13, 2020 15:26
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I think the US was the only country with heroes that were actually from there. Helps sell that religious argument well with the people because obviously GOD HIMSELF HAD CHOSEN THE GREATEST COUNTRY JESUS EVER FOUNDED TO HAVE HEROES SHOW UP etc etc.
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Sep 13, 2020 15:41
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Durzel posted:There's something about Maeve that I can't quite put my finger on, she feels like a peripheral part of the show this season and I don't know if that's because her character isn't really developing past what we already know, or whether it's simply because she hasn't actually had to use her powers, or be used at all for anything really. Starlight is an audience surrogate, and Stormfront is basically the focal point of this season, and the other supes have been heavily involved and/or used their powers, which leaves Maeve sortof out in the cold. In the first season her character got to be a counterpoint to Starlight ("Don't end up like me.") and a foil to Homelander; insofar as Homelander ever let his guard down around anyone and let us see who he actually was, it was Maeve he did it around. Also, she had a subplot as a closeted gay woman, to underline how badly being in the Seven fucks everyone up. In the second season she's barely interacted with Starlight, and Homelander has a new foil in Stormfront. They swept her legs out from under her. It looks like they're starting to go somewhere with her -- the scene where she got outed on live television was the single most uncomfortable thing I've watched this year that wasn't the national news -- but they've just taken baby steps so far.
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Sep 13, 2020 16:04
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TraderStav posted:This is my earliest memory of goons being really poo poo at watching TV I just dont understand. Its ppl with no creative outlet just being dumbass as poo poo.
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Sep 13, 2020 16:04
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Blaise330 posted:So despite there being billions of asians in the world, 92% of supes are white and 1% are asian. People really had to buy into the "god chose them" narrative to not figure out they were made by an American company sooner. Many genetic traits have correlation between incidence and race, which would be a third potential hypothes prior to the reveal. Because there are correlations between race and geography, unidentified environmental causes would have also been plausible.
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Sep 13, 2020 16:04
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Homelander’s performance on the talk show where he throws Maeve under the bus while highlighting that her GF is Latino is one of the more legitimately funny moments in the show, because of Starr’s delivery, while also being completely disgusting and hosed up in a strictly social way. He doesn’t murder anyone or say anything... wrong but it just makes your skin crawl when you realize what he is doing.
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Sep 13, 2020 16:15
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frenchie + kimiko are boring the gently caress out of me. actually, a lot of the character drama feels off, might be an issue with the slower plot/disconnected characters. with butcher taking a bit of a back seat, homelander continues to be the main reason to watch this show https://i.imgur.com/OYGOSAI.mp4 antony starr can drink the hell out of some milk also lol at the braingenius willfully denying that stormfront representing alt-right white-supremacist psychos, just incredible crepeface fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 16:21
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PostNouveau posted:Homelander said A-Train's probably not in the Top 20! Apparently the world is lousy with Flashes Speedsters could be common in the supe world. Alternatively, Homelander could be really condescending when he said it. Maybe A Train is still the second fastest but regardless he's no longer useful to Homelander. The popclaw drama also started some raising some questions which comes back to A Train. And if it weren't for his incompetence then Hughie wouldn't have been involved, which means Starlight might not have been willing to turn either. So overall A Train seems like a big liability for Homelander and I think it's only his heart condition that is preventing Homelander from needing to take matters into his own hands.
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Sep 13, 2020 16:34
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Bust Rodd posted:Homelander’s performance on the talk show where he throws Maeve under the bus while highlighting that her GF is Latino is one of the more legitimately funny moments in the show, because of Starr’s delivery, while also being completely disgusting and hosed up in a strictly social way. He doesn’t murder anyone or say anything... wrong but it just makes your skin crawl when you realize what he is doing. That scene was excruciating, my wife was making horrified sounds that I only ever heard from her before during the DIY dentistry episode of The Americans. And that "Well, actually, Black Noir doesn't identify as any race" line. This show is so good at swinging from funny to gruesome.
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Sep 13, 2020 16:36
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quote:“I think mostly they do believe the woman. I can spoil the amount that Starlight will be tracking Stormfront in the next episode and will get confirmation that it is, in fact, true,” “The Boys” showrunner Eric Kripke told TheWrap. “Stormfront is just much older than they thought. And with Compound V, anything is possible and she just doesn’t age like other people age. And it all kind of falls into this thesis with her, which is, she comes off as so modern and media-savvy and up-to-the-minute. But what she’s really selling is a very, very old evil and hate that’s been around for thousands of years. And so the idea that she is older than we think and has been pitching the same s–t for decades now, made sense to us.” I can’t believe this loving debate is still happening
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Sep 13, 2020 16:54
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It’s not happening, just mute them. It’s nice to see Maria Menounos getting work, she’s been a capable host for decades now. I also would like to see more of Maeve and what she wants and how she gets it.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:06
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I loved this episode because at the end of it all it was a bunch of little character stories but watching it I was expecting HL or Black Noir to show up at any second and ruin everything and it added a ton of tension.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:16
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Dracula Factory posted:I loved this episode because at the end of it all it was a bunch of little character stories but watching it I was expecting HL or Black Noir to show up at any second and ruin everything and it added a ton of tension. it's like a horror movie with superheroes for slashers
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Sep 13, 2020 17:18
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Dracula Factory posted:I loved this episode because at the end of it all it was a bunch of little character stories but watching it I was expecting HL or Black Noir to show up at any second and ruin everything and it added a ton of tension. I really enjoyed that someone with a vision was behind the camera.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:22
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Escobarbarian posted:I can’t believe this loving debate is still happening Some people are monumentally bad at watching TV to the point of rewriting it in their heads, are trolling for an argument, or don't want to admit they like the nazi. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 17:31
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It’s not a debate it’s just one person being willfully obtuse and blatantly ignoring an actual show runner confirming something laid out clear as day in the text. If Bioshuffle isn’t an obvious troll than they are bending over backwards to white knight his Nazi waifu.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:41
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JazzFlight posted:This episode was very well constructed/directed, focusing on each character's romantic relationships (episode appropriately titled "Nothing Like It in the World"), even interspersing those mysterious dating site testimonials, and ending with how Homelander has decided to burn all personal connections. yeah certainly everything feels intentional. A great break from so much TV, from GOT to your typical CW show, where scenes only occur to have actors have something to do.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:42
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I think The Flash has around 10 speedsters in one city so yeah I can see over 20 in vought's america
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Sep 13, 2020 17:44
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Bust Rodd posted:Homelander’s performance on the talk show where he throws Maeve under the bus while highlighting that her GF is Latino is one of the more legitimately funny moments in the show, because of Starr’s delivery, while also being completely disgusting and hosed up in a strictly social way. He doesn’t murder anyone or say anything... wrong but it just makes your skin crawl when you realize what he is doing. Maria Menounos had just the right "Holy poo poo, I am watching a train-wreck right now, keepthemtalkingkeepthemtalking!" expression on her face the whole time too.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:47
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crepeface posted:https://i.imgur.com/OYGOSAI.mp4 Homelander’s milk thing is just the nastiest thing ever. It gives me the heebie-jeebies more than anything else on the show.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:55
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wizardofloneliness posted:Homelander’s milk thing is just the nastiest thing ever. It gives me the heebie-jeebies more than anything else on the show. Well, it's not clear cut if it's actually a fetish, he could just have a very bad calcium deficiency. 
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Sep 13, 2020 17:59
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That Italian Guy posted:Well, it's not clear cut if it's actually a fetish, he could just have a very bad calcium deficiency. Frankly, how can we be sure that's milk in the bottle?
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Sep 13, 2020 18:17
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It's oat milk, he's just really pleased with himself about his vegan choices and the vegan choices in other peoples' refrigerators.
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Sep 13, 2020 18:20
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Karen's last baked ziti.
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Sep 13, 2020 18:23
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davidspackage posted:Frankly, how can we be sure that's milk in the bottle? It’s milk from a cloned cow
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One thing I noticed is how uncomfortable this show wants me to feel about violence. Maybe it's getting into my 30s, but I'm actually finding my stomach churning at how much violence is glorified in modern media. The first John Wick was kind of fun, but I actually couldn't make it through the third movie because it felt like I was watching a mass shooter's rehearsal. When it's not detached slaughter like John Wick, it's stuff like "Taken" or "Jim Ashley: Cartel Hunter" or some poo poo about a man in our modern world who gets to go on a justified rampage. The early seasons of GoT usually made killing mean something, but that show eventually dove into the deep end of stylized choreographed murder. The modern Jurassic Parks are basically just comedy kill montages written by vore fetishists. American Horror is even built largely on the idea that you're rooting for people to get killed in gruesome or funny ways. And how many streaming-specific shows/movies have you watched where there's a scene where an interesting conversation is suddenly interrupted by someone getting brutally murdered from something off-screen, usually a bullet, and how often are you expecting it?* It's becoming the new version of that fad in the '00s where someone is suddenly hit by a car from off-screen where you knew it was coming based on how the scene was being shot. The Boys, though, feels like it's sitting next to me, also uncomfortable with the violence and murder on display, in that most of it is being done by people who have no respect for life, and they are shown to be the deplorable psychos they are. It's just nice to have glorification of murder broken up for once. I like that there are few fight scenes. *The Boys does this too, I know. Plan Z fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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