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Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Has anyone read The Angel of the Crows? I enjoyed the author's other book, The Goblin Emperor, a lot, but I'm seeing a lot of 2 and 3 star reviews on Goodreads for this one...

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AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

PawParole posted:

I really like generation ships and first contact scenarios. I’m into the sociology of sci-fi far more than the whiz-bang technology.

i'm here for the alien politics personally. i like seeing far out takes on sentient societies ala Tchaikovsky or the Zones of Thought, or some of the Culture books

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


quantumfoam posted:

<reposted from off-site SFL Archives readthrough blog>

-The Navy Times leaks a story and pictures of Star Trek 4 filming taking place on the U.S.S. Ranger (CV-61 aircraft carrier).


I'm looking forward to hearing how they react to the finished film. It's such an unconventional sci fi movie, no fight scenes or battles and no real enemy, just pure uncut environmentalism and social messaging with Star Trek characters in our world.

coathat
May 21, 2007

quantumfoam posted:


-Someone transcribes an entire edition of CHEAP TRUTH, an Austin TX science-fiction newsletter, to the SF-LOVERS mailing list. The edition of CHEAP TRUTH transcribed is decently long, very political, and full of sick burns on many 1986 big-Name SF authors.


It was by Bruce Sterling and some others. You can read it here https://fanac.org/fanzines/Cheap_Truth/

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

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quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

Marshal Radisic posted:

Ironically, Trek's first female captain would appear in STIV as the unnamed captain of the USS Saratoga whose ship gets disabled by the Whale Probe at the beginning of the movie. We naturally got a lot more female captains in TNG and onward, but as SFDebris has noted they have a troubling habit of either getting killed off or having their ships get destroyed.


coathat posted:

It was by Bruce Sterling and some others. You can read it here https://fanac.org/fanzines/Cheap_Truth/

Informative responses like these and <reaching way back to SFL Vol 03 aka 1981> people here digging into the unicorn-goat thing and finding out the people behind the unicorn-goat ALSO founded an actual school of Wizardry deserve to be archived in a place where they can be easily found.

Was thinking of doing a few standalone update posts on the off-site blog listing these responses, anyone willing to help me out and collect a master list of all the SFL readthrough responses posted in this thread? Feel free to pitch names for the proposed reader-responses because the cleverest I've been able to get is "SA Readers respond back" or something similar.

quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Sep 21, 2020

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:

Black Griffon posted:

all Science Fiction Fantasy MegaThread 3: 1 kg = 2.2 lb = .157 stone knows to do is talk about baru, ask about generation ships and LIE

what if baru was on a generation ship

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

quantumfoam posted:

Feel free to pitch names for the proposed reader-responses because the cleverest I've been able to get is "SA Readers respond back" or something similar.

Something about opening time capsules, maybe?

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


PawParole posted:

I really like generation ships and first contact scenarios. I’m into the sociology of sci-fi far more than the whiz-bang technology.

oh absolutely same, both are wonderful ways to tell a story

Horizon Burning posted:

what if baru was on a generation ship

General I thought I was the only one you spoiled Baru 4 to?!

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Black Griffon posted:

General I thought I was the only one you spoiled Baru 4 to?!

The Spaceship Baru Cormorant

mewse
May 2, 2006

cptn_dr posted:

The Spaceship Baru Cormorant

:homebrew:

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

coathat posted:

It was by Bruce Sterling and some others. You can read it here https://fanac.org/fanzines/Cheap_Truth/


(the opening to issue 13)

tiniestacorn
Oct 3, 2015

C.M. Kruger posted:


(the opening to issue 13)

drat, talk about a hook.

coathat
May 21, 2007

The real one is number 3 where there's a picture of ada lovelace and an interview with the ghost of lovecraft. The world has not changed an ounce

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Silver2195 posted:

Yep. Which makes it ironic that the inspiration for A Wizard of Earthsea was LeGuin wondering how Gandalf learned his magic.

Although I suspect Gandalf's fireworks craftsmanship is learned rather than innate. Middle-Earth has a lot of unknown areas beyond the edges of the map; perhaps one of them is a China equivalent...

IIRC, Gandalf never went east to Rhun or the lands beyond (I don't think Radagast or Saurman did either). The two Blue Wizards did but we never got any stories about them beyond a mention somewhere that they acted during the war of the ring to thwart Sauron's activity out there as well. Presumably contributing to the success of destroying the ring by thwarting forces from fully mustering there much like how Thorin's return to Erebor meant there was no Smaug and the northern force of orcs and men were stuck fighting at Erebor instead of helping wipe out Gondor and Rohan.

Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Sep 22, 2020

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

C.M. Kruger posted:


(the opening to issue 13)
:hmmyes:

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

New offsite SFL readthrough up blah blah blah. 54% completion, 152 slightly consolidated bookmarks.
Read it there or wait 36 hrs or so until I repost it here.

2 teasers for it.

-The Tucker Award from my last update post wasn't a gimmick apparently. And it has the same rigged feeling as the Hugo and Nebula awards to boot.
Surely the 2 people nominated with the last name of Tucker [sarcasm]are there by random chance and not nepotism[/sarcasm])

-Reading 1986 SFLers reactions to news leaking about Paramount being in the earlier stages of producing a new Star Trek tv-series is dope as hell, so much anger, so many prediction-expectations that were 130% off track.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

cptn_dr posted:

The Spaceship Baru Cormorant

Barustar Galactica.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Baru Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's Cormorants of Dune.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Baru of Fools/Unto Cormorant

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf
Blindright

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Krazyface posted:

Blindright

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Ccs posted:

Has anyone read The Angel of the Crows? I enjoyed the author's other book, The Goblin Emperor, a lot, but I'm seeing a lot of 2 and 3 star reviews on Goodreads for this one...

it's fine, I guess, but don't expect much more than sherlock holmes fantasy fanfic

XBenedict
May 23, 2006

YOUR LIPS SAY 0, BUT YOUR EYES SAY 1.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

Baru Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's Cormorants of Dune.

Are you sure this isn’t a real title?

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Krazyface posted:

Blindright

:wom:

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
The Trader Baru Cormorant

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

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Folding Knife by KJ Parker - $1.99
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Scavenger series by KJ Parker - $2.99/$1.99/$1.99
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I don't think any of these KJ Parker books have gone on deep sale before. Probably take advantage if you have any interest.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City ebook is also cheap, $2.99 on US Amazon

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


So Adam Roberts, who wrote a bunch of sci fi books and has also done a ton of reviews, started updating his blog again this year. It’s odd, no posts between 2015 and 2020, then he suddenly starts posting again. Some fun reviews of books and films: http://sibilantfricative.blogspot.com/?m=1

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Ccs posted:

So Adam Roberts, who wrote a bunch of sci fi books and has also done a ton of reviews, started updating his blog again this year. It’s odd, no posts between 2015 and 2020, then he suddenly starts posting again. Some fun reviews of books and films: http://sibilantfricative.blogspot.com/?m=1
Probably to do with the surplus of free time offered by the lockdown. There were a few he put up and later deleted as well, less positive reviews of current fantasy stuff; some are still on the wayback machine if you're curious.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Oh cool. I found his review of an Abercrombie book Half a King hilarious:

“ Half a review. Prince Yarrrvi, descended perchance from pirates, is set the task of regaining his Aberkingdom by an Abercruel fate. Though born an Abercripple (and thus considered the titular 'half' mentioned on the book's abercover) Yarrrvi must use his Abercleverness and his one Abercapable hand to regain the Abercrown he never Abercraved in the first place, overcoming abadversity, hardship, double-abercrossing and the general Abercrappiness of the Abercosmos's attitudes to mortals. Trust no-one; for even those Aberclosest to you can betray you into slabery, sorry, slavery. In a nutshell, this is a lean, chilled, typically well-abercrafted tale. The world Joe has Abercreated is Abercrisply evoked; the Abercharacters work well; the violence, though Abercranked down a notch from First Law (this being YA), is Abercrimson enough for most palates. Most of all it's immensely, rather disgracefully readable: gripping and twisty. An Abercracking yarn. If I had one Abercriticism to make, it would be that”

Ben Nerevarine
Apr 14, 2006
Phew. Ringworld Engineers rallied a bit toward the end but overall that was rough.

Ringworld for all its faults at least had a strong theme of "playing god" but I got no sense of any such analogous thematic content in Engineers. Something having to do with accounting for the sins of our parents and/or descendents given the Pak revelations? I haven't read a ton of Known Space so it all seemingly came out of nowhere. And the way it was revealed--quickly, via flavorless exposition or the main character musing to himself--diminished the impact of those revelations.

Chmeee/Speaker-to-Animals is a neat character, but everyone else felt sketched in at best, and merely an object of sexual gratification for Louis Wu at worst.

Some neat ideas, I suppose, but I'm starting to think Larry Niven's not a great writer, and perhaps even kind of a weird dude.

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

Ben Nerevarine posted:

Phew. Ringworld Engineers rallied a bit toward the end but overall that was rough.

Ringworld for all its faults at least had a strong theme of "playing god" but I got no sense of any such analogous thematic content in Engineers. Something having to do with accounting for the sins of our parents and/or descendents given the Pak revelations? I haven't read a ton of Known Space so it all seemingly came out of nowhere. And the way it was revealed--quickly, via flavorless exposition or the main character musing to himself--diminished the impact of those revelations.

Chmeee/Speaker-to-Animals is a neat character, but everyone else felt sketched in at best, and merely an object of sexual gratification for Louis Wu at worst.

Some neat ideas, I suppose, but I'm starting to think Larry Niven's not a great writer, and perhaps even kind of a weird dude.

The Ringworld books only get worse. Instead of going further in the Ringworld series, read Niven's abandoned Down In Flames.

SFL Archives....man Takei has been campaigning for a Captain Sulu series for a loooooooong time. And for the in-the-works Star Trek show that would become Star Trek: TNG, SFLers are saying import the writing staff of M.A.S.H.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Ccs posted:

So Adam Roberts, who wrote a bunch of sci fi books and has also done a ton of reviews, started updating his blog again this year. It’s odd, no posts between 2015 and 2020, then he suddenly starts posting again. Some fun reviews of books and films: http://sibilantfricative.blogspot.com/?m=1

I think he removed a bunch of his stuff a few years ago because he was publishing it. In particular he removed his very good, very funny hatchet job reviews of Wheel of Time.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

pradmer posted:

A Little Hatred (Age of Madness #1) by Joe Abercrombie - $3.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MJ656W9/

The Hobbit by JRR Tolkien - $3.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0079KT81G/

Folding Knife by KJ Parker - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0035IICZO/

Scavenger series by KJ Parker - $2.99/$1.99/$1.99
Shadow - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B3VX3TA/
Pattern - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B3VX3Y0/
Memory - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B3VX3T0/

I don't think any of these KJ Parker books have gone on deep sale before. Probably take advantage if you have any interest.

Dang, thanks for pointing out those KJ Parker ones. I pretty closely check the daily kindle deal but I missed those, and I absolutely loved 16 Ways to Defend a Walled City. If that holds up, this will have been <$10 well spent!

Marshal Radisic
Oct 9, 2012


Ccs posted:

So Adam Roberts, who wrote a bunch of sci fi books and has also done a ton of reviews, started updating his blog again this year. It’s odd, no posts between 2015 and 2020, then he suddenly starts posting again. Some fun reviews of books and films: http://sibilantfricative.blogspot.com/?m=1


freebooter posted:

I think he removed a bunch of his stuff a few years ago because he was publishing it. In particular he removed his very good, very funny hatchet job reviews of Wheel of Time.

Yeah, Roberts tends to delete older material from his blogs if he decides to put them in a small-press collection of reviews. He also has a habit of creating multiple blogs, bouncing between them, then abandoning them at a moment's notice. Aside from Sibilant Fricative he also has Morphosis, and while that one isn't strictly SF/F there is some content, including a massive review of Peter Higgins' Wolfhound Empire trilogy that convinced me to properly read the three books and understand what they were doing. He also has a sideblog dedicated to his 2017-8 project of reading through the entire bibliography of HG Wells. There's also this sideblog, which only has a single review of Justin Call's Master of Sorrows from February on it.

branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009

Ccs posted:

Has anyone read The Angel of the Crows? I enjoyed the author's other book, The Goblin Emperor, a lot, but I'm seeing a lot of 2 and 3 star reviews on Goodreads for this one...

Katherine Addison, author of The Goblin Emperor, returns with The Angel of the Crows, a fantasy novel of alternate 1880s London, where killers stalk the night and the ultimate power is naming.

This is not the story you think it is. These are not the characters you think they are. This is not the book you are expecting.

In an alternate 1880s London, angels inhabit every public building, and vampires and werewolves walk the streets with human beings in a well-regulated truce. A fantastic utopia, except for a few things: Angels can Fall, and that Fall is like a nuclear bomb in both the physical and metaphysical worlds. And human beings remain human, with all their kindness and greed and passions and murderous intent.

Jack the Ripper stalks the streets of this London too. But this London has an Angel. The Angel of the Crows.


TBH doesn't sound like my thing

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



I've read some stuff Addison has written under her other (real?) name, Sarah Monette, and a lot of it was pretty underwhelming, honestly. I loved Goblin Emperor but I think it might be kind of the odd one out in her bibliography.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
I wasn't a fan of TGE when I first read it, but that's because I was expecting some sort of fantasy book, and instead I got a lifetime movie set in a fantasyland. It's great for a heartwarming kinda book, but pretty much sweet gently caress all happens in it.

It makes me a lil nervous to check out the new one, but this one actually seems to have the sort of plot where SOMETHING is gonna happen.

I think I'll wait till someone else takes a shot at it first, and lets me know if it's action adventure-y sort of fantasy or more of the "feel good" fantasy.

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Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

Hubbardologist posted:

Dang, thanks for pointing out those KJ Parker ones. I pretty closely check the daily kindle deal but I missed those, and I absolutely loved 16 Ways to Defend a Walled City. If that holds up, this will have been <$10 well spent!

The "Scavenger" series is my favourite twist ever on the "main character wakes up with amnesia" plot.

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