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Elite is dead. FD is focused on making theme park games.

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They just made something that kind of looks like the same thing, and managed to trick you into thinking it's the same.
Shame on you.

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They're 'faking' a lot of what Star Citizen is doing dynamically...
which is fine. It just isn't what Star Citizen is doing.

Bootcha posted:

Ceterum autem censeo Civis Stella esse delendam.

Scruffpuff posted:

Lots of cool little dips in there, they hit quite a few keynotes. The bartender (which is the one they showed mocap for ) but they also mentioned:

- The background simulation
- The suits being different for different types of content
- Flora/Fauna
- Black market and criminal gameplay
- Personality for the NPCs
- Missions
- and many others

The difference being that Chris Roberts says all this but accomplishes nothing, whereas this video is saying it because it's almost done.

Zaphod42 posted:

And the irony being that star citizens all say "well yeah Elite does this but its just a few basic things, SC is still in early alpha and will be way better!" but while SC continues to not be a game, Elite continues to deliver on bit by bit, actually producing things that work and are playable and solid before biting off more than they can chew and promising the world and pre-selling it all for $3,000.

But you see, Elite is bad because of this!

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If you want to be nailed to your pilot's chair, have loading screens disguised as cutscenes for space-ground transitions, and teleport from your ship into small boxes of in-station content, yeah, Star Citizen would've been that if they'd taken the game as it existed in summer 2015 and avoided adding procgen planets and everything that comes with it.

But if you want that, you can just play Elite Dangerous right now and enjoy grinding for a bigger ship so you can grind more efficiently to buy a bigger ship so you can grind more efficiently to....

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That's interesting, but I'll believe it when I see it in playable form. I'm not letting myself get hyped for anything that Frontier doesn't explicitly show. Ever since the initial Odyssey trailer, I knew there had to be more than they were showing but without any indication of what I've set my expectations to the absolute floor. That way, Frontier can only surprise me when they deliver more than anticipated.

Just the revolt over VR (non)support was more than enough for me to set my hype to maximum patience, though I'll gladly point out that Frontier addressed the biggest concern of all - that VR users expected they would have to shut the game down completely and reboot in Horizons-only to be able to use their VR headset at all instead of what is actually happening, that VR will dynamically transition to pseudo-pancake if you get out on foot.

I want Frontier to prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot. I really do. But I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt this time around.

StarBegotten posted:

Well, it looks like Elite now has motion captured bartenders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3tV-pHMaRo

I cant help but feel they put that shot in the video on purpose

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I’d like to know from your opinion how Elite Dangerous is doing more?

I’m an Elite fan as well but I’d personally rather play Star Citizen.

Last I checked you can’t do the following in Elite Dangerous: You stand on the bridge of your ship with a group of friends and laugh as your companion gobbled down the last hotdog. In the distance you see a sprawling city on a frozen earth like planet. Another friend, the pilot, gently brings the ship toward the spaceport. After the ship lands in the hangar two huge doors close behind shielding the Carrack from the frigid air outside. The ship ramp lowers and with the crew you slowly disembark from the ship.

Walking though the spaceport you all go in your separate ways. One goes to the commons to get something else to eat zipping off in hyper loop connecting the spaceport to the city. Another crewman goes to Centerpoint to pick up the latest ship hardpoints, NBD repeaters, another heads off to the promenade, New Babbage’s night club and bar likely to get a drink. On the way to your apartment you notice a plushy penguin called Pico that would look good in your hab, so you fork over a hundred and fifty credits.

You don your heavy under suit and head off to the garages. There, you see your Nox, your exotic, overpriced space bike, “It’s alien tech” you hear yourself rationalize. You engage systems and the bike hums to life gently hovering off the ground. You ride off into the distance across the frozen lake. “Let’s see how far I can make it today!”

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I loving love that you used the last hotdog as the mike drop.

Oh my sides, it's the potential for player interactions in SC that I think is the core difference

StarBegotten posted:

Well, it looks like Elite now has motion captured bartenders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3tV-pHMaRo

I cant help but feel they put that shot in the video on purpose

Mirificus posted:

But if you want that, you can just play Elite Dangerous right now and enjoy grinding for a bigger ship so you can grind more efficiently to buy a bigger ship so you can grind more efficiently to....

Zaphod42 posted:

That sounds really bad.

Star Citizen is way better, because you can grind to unlock things but its even more repetitive and your progress gets wiped every update!

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

Star Citizen is way better, because you can buy your ship for $500.

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Evocati PTU - 3.11.0 Build J (Tuesday) Patch Notes

- Mission givers are leaving their designated areas / wandering from their posts
- Character can be two different skin tones and not the gender the player picked
- The Player Can Spawn in a Dead State unable to interact or Respawn

Pixelate posted:

Meanwhile, in a pre-alpha far far away

colonelwest posted:

Lol that shot of the mocaped bar tender had to be put in just to troll Star Citizen. Like here is our fully working version of something that you’ve spent years and untold millions on, and we made it in a few weeks as a complete afterthought, because it isn’t at all important to the core gameplay.

It’s hilarious to see Elite not only lapping Star Citizen as it actually exists today, but also lapping anything it could possibly achieve in the next 5-10 years.

Experimental Skin posted:

How can anyone take this bunch seriously! Every "developer" has grey in the hair or beard! They are way too old and experience to "develop", that a young persons game. Lead and Seniors over 30, when their hand spot turns red, you know where they go!

Nicholas posted:

But Star Citizens bartenders have such revolutionary AI that lets them... follow the player.

Thoatse posted:

In a video called The Road To Odyssey

G0RF posted:

They’re really sticking the knife in and I kinda love it. Even though if it’s anything like prior big updates it’s good for another dozen hours before the “oh well...” sets in.

G0RF posted:

They’re really sticking the knife in and I kinda love it. Even though if it’s anything like prior big updates it’s good for another dozen hours before the “oh well...” sets in.

Mirificus posted:

I’d like to know from your opinion how Elite Dangerous is doing more?

I’m an Elite fan as well but I’d personally rather play Star Citizen.

Last I checked you can’t do the following in Elite Dangerous: You stand on the bridge of your ship with a group of friends and laugh as your companion gobbled down the last hotdog. In the distance you see a sprawling city on a frozen earth like planet. Another friend, the pilot, gently brings the ship toward the spaceport. After the ship lands in the hangar two huge doors close behind shielding the Carrack from the frigid air outside. The ship ramp lowers and with the crew you slowly disembark from the ship.

Walking though the spaceport you all go in your separate ways. One goes to the commons to get something else to eat zipping off in hyper loop connecting the spaceport to the city. Another crewman goes to Centerpoint to pick up the latest ship hardpoints, NBD repeaters, another heads off to the promenade, New Babbage’s night club and bar likely to get a drink. On the way to your apartment you notice a plushy penguin called Pico that would look good in your hab, so you fork over a hundred and fifty credits.

You don your heavy under suit and head off to the garages. There, you see your Nox, your exotic, overpriced space bike, “It’s alien tech” you hear yourself rationalize. You engage systems and the bike hums to life gently hovering off the ground. You ride off into the distance across the frozen lake. “Let’s see how far I can make it today!”

Nicholas posted:

But Star Citizens bartenders have such revolutionary AI that lets them... follow the player.

Ffycchi posted:

Well...I stand by that I won't live long enough to see star citizen.

Nsfwish:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CtztPhu8TcsDP3ze9

Pixelate posted:

But just imagine a painfully dull yet functional bartender, serving beer to a grim and grumbling citizen. His mumbles occasionally erupting into cries of ‘BUT IT SURE AINT loving SUBSUMPTION'.

Hours of content there

Mirificus posted:

Last I checked you can’t do the following in Elite Dangerous: You stand on the bridge of your ship with a group of friends and laugh as your companion gobbled down the last hotdog. In the distance you see a sprawling city on a frozen earth like planet. Another friend, the pilot, gently brings the ship toward the spaceport. After the ship lands in the hangar two huge doors close behind shielding the Carrack from the frigid air outside. The ship ramp lowers and with the crew you slowly disembark from the ship.

Walking though the spaceport you all go in your separate ways. One goes to the commons to get something else to eat zipping off in hyper loop connecting the spaceport to the city. Another crewman goes to Centerpoint to pick up the latest ship hardpoints, NBD repeaters, another heads off to the promenade, New Babbage’s night club and bar likely to get a drink. On the way to your apartment you notice a plushy penguin called Pico that would look good in your hab, so you fork over a hundred and fifty credits.

You don your heavy under suit and head off to the garages. There, you see your Nox, your exotic, overpriced space bike, “It’s alien tech” you hear yourself rationalize. You engage systems and the bike hums to life gently hovering off the ground. You ride off into the distance across the frozen lake. “Let’s see how far I can make it today!”

Colostomy Bag posted:

Those patch notes...lol. Miles Eckhart fucks off from his post and starts walking around.

peter gabriel posted:

'They're 'faking' a lot of what Star Citizen is doing dynamically...'

Yes you flaming fuckwit, it's called Making A Game
Also - SC simulates gently caress all

Quavers posted:

FUD time over, check mate goonailures

3.11 PTU is now open to wave 1 subscribers and big $$$$ spenders. Pay2WinTest y'all

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-11-0-ptu-6156962-patch-notes

Known Issues

Deadlocks may be likely
CPU usage can reach 100% while just idling in game (please let us know if this is happening in the regression)
Mission givers are leaving their designated areas / wandering from their posts
Character can be two different skin tones and not the gender the player picked
NPCs walking around the exterior of the CBD are not posing correctly
Ships landed at Lorville cannot be stored
HUD elements for enemy ships are massively offset at ultrawide resolutions causing them to be invisible to the player
Ship NavMarkers and Target Highlight can become detached from Ships when Pitching Up and Down and traveling forwards
The Player Can Spawn in a Dead State unable to interact or Respawn
The Mantis Snare will not prevent the other player from completing their QT (Short Range QT)
Turrets don't always open fire after respawning
Purchasing OxyPens or MedPens from the shelf will not place the item in the player's inventory
Players are timed out of using a Kiosk or an ASOP terminal after 1 minute when interacting with it
Commodities kiosks at Grim HEX and Lorville don't let the user select commodities to sell.
Specific sentry turrets take no damage against missiles & torpedos
Global Chat text is not always displayed in mobiGlas or visor
No charges are given to a player that rams and destroys another ship with players
Pilot of a ship containing a passenger will be charged with Negligent Homicide if their ship is rammed and destroyed by another player
Ramming and destroying another player with a ship does not generate a crime
Various tables and chairs around Promenade and Commons have template chairs and replaceme texture
Some ships and vehicles can be left in a broken state after spawning
Ships can be displayed as 'unknown' after destruction and be available to spawn again, but will not appear on their specified landing pad.

Mirificus posted:

Last I checked you can’t do the following in Elite Dangerous: You stand on the bridge of your ship with a group of friends and laugh as your companion gobbled down the last hotdog. In the distance you see a sprawling city on a frozen earth like planet. Another friend, the pilot, gently brings the ship toward the spaceport. After the ship lands in the hangar two huge doors close behind shielding the Carrack from the frigid air outside. The ship ramp lowers and with the crew you slowly disembark from the ship.

Walking though the spaceport you all go in your separate ways. One goes to the commons to get something else to eat zipping off in hyper loop connecting the spaceport to the city. Another crewman goes to Centerpoint to pick up the latest ship hardpoints, NBD repeaters, another heads off to the promenade, New Babbage’s night club and bar likely to get a drink. On the way to your apartment you notice a plushy penguin called Pico that would look good in your hab, so you fork over a hundred and fifty credits.

You don your heavy under suit and head off to the garages. There, you see your Nox, your exotic, overpriced space bike, “It’s alien tech” you hear yourself rationalize. You engage systems and the bike hums to life gently hovering off the ground. You ride off into the distance across the frozen lake. “Let’s see how far I can make it today!”

How is that Elite is doing more job done with way less money and way less Devs and way much less time? posted:

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They're 'faking' a lot of what Star Citizen is doing dynamically...
which is fine. It just isn't what Star Citizen is doing.

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What things does Elite fake that Star Citizen does dynamically?

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Seamless space-ground transitions, for one. Transitioning from your cockpit seat into a rover and driving it out of your ship onto a surface.

Also, in-system fast travel, sort of - it's not faked as much as supercruise takes you out of the instance you were in and into a separate, isolated layer, while SC quantum travel locks you into your trajectory but never takes you out of the same instance... at least until server meshing comes online and a star system gets divided up into multiple instances (but not into a Quantum/local space dichotomy).

When the Quantum dynamic economy comes online, it'll bring not only dynamic pricing and stock availability for anything in shops instead of the current hardcoded "dumb" systems but it'll make AI appear based on the state of the background simulation. Elite does this to a certain degree, as well, but there's an important distinction. The Elite bgs will look at the state of a system and its minor factions and decide that, say, more system security ships will spawn because the system's at war or something, but spawned AI is basically local to you and just appears without any sort of persistence or consistency. SC's bgs should be much more specific and granular according to the design plans they've discussed; if you fly into a piece of space and there are two pirates attacking a freighter, those AIs are there because the bgs said you should expect to see 1-3 pirates and also should see an NPC freighter, which naturally leads to an encounter with them attacking the freighter - it's not merely "this is a bad place, you will encounter pirates in this system" but calculated probability volumes that will consistently deliver the same experience to people who're in separate instances for the same place. It remains to be seen if Quantum will actually do this, but the bgs should be very involved and do much more than simply establish basic parameters that update once a week.

Mirificus posted:

Mirificus posted:

Also, in-system fast travel, sort of - it's not faked as much as supercruise takes you out of the instance you were in and into a separate, isolated layer, while SC quantum travel locks you into your trajectory but never takes you out of the same instance... at least until server meshing comes online and a star system gets divided up into multiple instances (but not into a Quantum/local space dichotomy).

Dreadwroth2 posted:

Uhhh Star Citizens I have literally jumped into a system, approached a planet, landed, hopped out in my totally working SRV, and drove around a moon totally seamlessly in Elite. In what way is that trickery aside from the normal "hiding loading screens" thing super common in games since Resident Evil 1 came out?

Odyssey has me actually thinking about loading Elite back up for a bit.