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sandnavyguy posted:Yes sand, you are all putting me on tilt. Congratulations. It does not change the fact I’m town and your scum buddy DB has played a poor scum game. I know the feeling of being on tilt and having it seem like everything you say is getting called scummy and honestly, imo, that's the worst feeling in mafia. But you feel, in addition to the above, like you're getting more and more desperate about painting someone else as scum Do you have ANYTHING to support the statement that you think DB and I are scum together?
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Sub Rosa posted:I would prefer DB being more active as the vote leader, certainly, but I thought the stuff about thinking Amni was suss for being sure the terrible fake post restriction poo poo was voluntary was reasonable. I'd agree with this too, though, I'd like to hear at all from DB
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Oct 6, 2020 00:27
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Yes. The combination of your posts asking me to find a case alternative, along with the posts saying you just don’t see another case. Then, after I’ve read out the case, that you agree is a good read and summary, you *still* vote me, without applying pressure to the other person. And, further, the timing of SubRosa and your posting seem very well strategized and synergistic, inclined to place me on tilt. And the reactions to epsilon, where you say “I’m disturbed” but don’t follow up. I think the core scum team is Sandwolf, Sub rosa, DB, with perhaps another.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:30
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And until this point, DB was the vote lead but with a comfortable cushion, but only *after* he reached 6 votes did you and Rosa suddenly swoop in with a strong cohesive set of agreed upon points and statements.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:32
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While I am not convinced completely on the case for DB, but I will vote if things go down to the wire. I'm not feeling Sandwolf as scum at this time. Sandnavyguy could go either way.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:33
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Maigius posted:While I am not convinced completely on the case for DB, but I will vote if things go down to the wire. I'm not feeling Sandwolf as scum at this time. Sandnavyguy could go either way. Look either scum is magically lucky that sand and Rosa came down at the exact same time and proper moment to attempt to swing the execution to someone else, or one or both are scum.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:35
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Votecount for Day 1  Dick Bastardly (6): Mr. Humalong, sandnavyguy, sandnavyguy (5): Q_res, Retro Futurist, Amnistar, Mr. Steak (0): Mr. Humalong, Tommunist, Sub Rosa, Epsilon Plus (0): Amnistar, Tommunist, Amnistar (0): Yami Fenrir, Retro Futurist, Mr. Steak, Dick Bastardly, sandnavyguy, Q_res, Sub Rosa, Amnistar, Hal Incandenza (0): Tommunist, Mr. Humalong (0): Tommunist, Sub Rosa (0): sandnavyguy, Maigius (0): Mr. Humalong, Retro Futurist (0): Amnistar, Sandwolf (0): sandnavyguy, Amnistar, Hal Incandenza, Execute No One! (0): Maigius, Not Voting (3): Dick Bastardly, Maigius, Mr. SteakWith 14 alive, it's 8 votes to hang. The current deadline is October 05th, 2020 at 9 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 hour, 20 minutes.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:40
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sandnavyguy posted:Look either scum is magically lucky that sand and Rosa came down at the exact same time and proper moment to attempt to swing the execution to someone else, or one or both are scum. you're still one vote safer than DB so this just feels not proportional
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Oct 6, 2020 00:41
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Sandwolf posted:you're still one vote safer than DB so this just feels not proportional I’m assuming it is though. Specifically, if there are 3-4 scum, one of which includes DB, that means there are 2-3 scum who must hope to swing the vote and save their scumbuddy. DB is staying silent, so his case has to be supported by his scumbuddies. The only person who have come out in protective favor “just not seeing the case” is Rosa. At the same time as Rosa, you enter and add a vote putting me one behind DB. This would be a solid scum play if both you and Rosa are team mates, with one of your other scum buddies or DB himself not voting until he can tie us with the hope a townie on me will flip in an effort to halt a NL. Then you wait until Someone on the fence hops over to hammer.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:47
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what does the opposite of that case look like?
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Oct 6, 2020 00:48
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oh gently caress, i got timezones mixed up cuz im used to living in est. i'll catch up now!
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Oct 6, 2020 00:49
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Epsilon Plus posted:what does the opposite of that case look like? Look, I’m not going to make scums argument for them.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:50
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sandnavyguy posted:Look, I’m not going to make scums argument for them. you mean you won't consider an alternative beyond your narrative?
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Oct 6, 2020 00:53
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No, I will, once someone else posits it. It would be counterintuitive to do scums dirty work when I’m town.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:55
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The reason why no one has, you see, is because if they succeed and get me flipped, everyone will know I’m town. Then they will be especially under the microscope. I’m on tilt, but not *that* crazy.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:56
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Caught up and about to drive 15 mins to get home. When I do, I'll review and make a decision. So far I felt SNG was flustered and erratic town but now I'm not sure. Will reread soon.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:56
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sandnavyguy posted:No, I will, once someone else posits it. It would be counterintuitive to do scums dirty work when I’m town. the alternative is ur scum or the alternative is rosa and I are town and both think ur scum or the alternative is rosa is scum and doing what you said and I'm just town or the alternative is I'm scum and doing what you said and Rosa is just town this feels very very arrogant from you sng
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Oct 6, 2020 00:56
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disagreement box! evaluating both sides of a case lets you catch flaws in your reasoning I have to go teach a class, DB is the vote IMO
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Oct 6, 2020 00:57
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sandnavyguy posted:Look either scum is magically lucky that sand and Rosa came down at the exact same time and proper moment to attempt to swing the execution to someone else, or one or both are scum. Rereading sand and Rosa's posts, I can see the town feeling not wanting to turbo a lurker.
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Oct 6, 2020 00:57
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Votecount for Day 1 Dick Bastardly (6): Mr. Humalong, sandnavyguy, sandnavyguy (5): Q_res, Retro Futurist, Amnistar, Mr. Steak (0): Mr. Humalong, Tommunist, Sub Rosa, Epsilon Plus (0): Amnistar, Tommunist, Amnistar (0): Yami Fenrir, Retro Futurist, Mr. Steak, Dick Bastardly, sandnavyguy, Q_res, Sub Rosa, Amnistar, Hal Incandenza (0): Tommunist, Mr. Humalong (0): Tommunist, Sub Rosa (0): sandnavyguy, Maigius (0): Mr. Humalong, Retro Futurist (0): Amnistar, Sandwolf (0): sandnavyguy, Amnistar, Hal Incandenza, Execute No One! (0): Maigius, Not Voting (3): Dick Bastardly, Maigius, Mr. Steak With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to hang. The current deadline is October 05th, 2020 at 9 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 hour, 1 minute. Let me know if that's a bad time for deadline. First day will be a little long, but weekend deadlines suck, so...  .
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Oct 6, 2020 00:58
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Sandwolf posted:the alternative is ur scum Arrogant yes. Sorry bout that. But, now that you’ve posted it, 1. Yes that is a possibility. It could absolutely be a coincidence that you two are both town on the same wavelength and are wrong about me. However, nothing can be read into a coincidence, and it doesn’t help anyone. 2. Yep, and this is more likely than coincidence but less likely in my opinion than both of you strategizing, because you are both good as scum at reworking a narrative in your past games. 3. I find this unlikely, because the Rosa statement that they just don’t see the DB case, and wants them to post more but oh well, is very lassie faire for them.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:02
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don't lunch me today, I could be pretty useful to town if I survive
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Oct 6, 2020 01:03
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Q_res posted:This seems plausible, but if we lunch SNG and he flips town, what then? That is tomorrow RF's problem
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Oct 6, 2020 01:04
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Dick Bastardly posted:don't lunch me today, I could be pretty useful to town if I survive As am I, but until we’re forced to claiming is anti-town.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:05
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There’s an hour left and I’m about to get to work tryna get someone lunched so claim earlier rather than later.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:08
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Sandwolf posted:you're still one vote safer than DB so this just feels not proportional Also this is disingenuous. DB hasn’t voted yet and do you really think he’s gonna self hammer? No, we’re for all intents and purposes tied.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:09
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sandnavyguy posted:Also this is disingenuous. DB hasn’t voted yet and do you really think he’s gonna self hammer? man your tone here just feels off you could have said: "well close enough whatever" but you instead made it so you were technically correct, which just feels... insincere
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Oct 6, 2020 01:16
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DB, Maigius, and steak haven't voted you three need to vote steak, you've been too quiet this game, ESPECIALLY when you're more known to go big on D1 and drop off after DB, you're very likely to be lunched here, don't you think you should vote? or claim?
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Oct 6, 2020 01:17
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45 minutes to deadline, any of you: Mr. Humalong, Yami Fenrir, Epsilon Plus, Q_res, Tommunist, here?
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Oct 6, 2020 01:18
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Sandwolf posted:man your tone here just feels off Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:19
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Alternatively, and this is a different question, are any of you: Amnistar, Retro Futurist, Hal Incandenza, Sub Rosa, here?
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Oct 6, 2020 01:19
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These recent SNG posts feel a little townier to me, wolfie I'm surprised you are hammering him this hard about some of what he's saying
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Oct 6, 2020 01:19
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Sandwolf posted:Alternatively, and this is a different question, are any of you: Nope. I mean I'm out at dinner but I am sorta here obviously
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Oct 6, 2020 01:20
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Yeah, I'm still here.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:20
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I'm here and so far I'm not seeing anything to make me come off of my DB vote/SNG town read.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:20
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I'm here ish
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Oct 6, 2020 01:22
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Hal Incandenza posted:These recent SNG posts feel a little townier to me, wolfie I'm surprised you are hammering him this hard about some of what he's saying It's also twigging me a little bit that SNG's entirely correct reading of the vote situation is being cast in a suspicious light. His reading is 100% correct and I think it's pretty sus DB didn't drop a vote on him to tie at 6 and make a NL less likely.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:23
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Hal Incandenza posted:These recent SNG posts feel a little townier to me, wolfie I'm surprised you are hammering him this hard about some of what he's saying I am going back and forth on it almost per post of his several times I have wanted to say: "SNG is probably scum but if not he deserves to survive today" followed by an unvote but, argh I'm more worried about getting consensus at this point because I'm not no lunching D1, and I would switch to DB with glee
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Oct 6, 2020 01:23
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Because, let's face it, there is no viable vote for DB at this point besides SNG. So it makes absolutely no sense to avoid dropping that vote this close to deadline.
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Q_res posted:It's also twigging me a little bit that SNG's entirely correct reading of the vote situation is being cast in a suspicious light. His reading is 100% correct and I think it's pretty sus DB didn't drop a vote on him to tie at 6 and make a NL less likely. yes, I agree with this, but the fact that DB didn't do that is just as weird as it is anything else, town or scum would have a vested interest in doing that
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