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Save it. My reasoning is thusly: -The Flux State. We've learned that despite its anarchist basis, the State needs a strong leader or at least someone who's willing to punch absolutely every threat that comes its way in order to survive. What better than an all-powerful and clandestine AI with the brain of our fully-invested F-State threatpuncher in it? -The Horrors. From all they're hyped up, it's unlikely any single team of shadowrunners, and possibly metahumanity as a whole, could stand against the horrors. An unfettered AI would not only provide something they couldn't immediately eat, but be able to effectively coordinate resistance. Monika "herself" doesn't even enter into the picture. As an Eclipse Phase player, putting her back in storage and claiming that kills her is bullshit. She's no more alive nor dead than my Pokemon are when I turn the console off. Still, it would be really good if we could actually tell whether or not APEX was lying. What do you think, Drama?  : Sorry, sire, this is the wrong LP for that.
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Keldulas posted:It also helps that the NPC decker is oddly good in combat. I never thought that she was any worse in combat than the other characters, which means bringing her along isn't even gimping you in that way. Yeah like the trade off is okay you basically have to take her along if you're not a decker, but also she has a grenade launcher so why are you complaining
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Fighting Trousers posted:It killed Monika. We kill it. I presume that Herr Kanfy will show us everything that can and could happen as he has throughout the LP, so I have no preference. If I am wrong, Kanfy, and you are burned out at this point (understandable) and can't be arsed to cover all the bases (also understandable), then the thread is clearly leaning towards killing the AI and that's as good as anything else. I'm in this for the story beats; our "cannon" ending makes no odds to me, but I would like to see everything if you still have enough petrol in the tank.
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Crane Fist posted:Yeah like the trade off is okay you basically have to take her along if you're not a decker, but also she has a grenade launcher so why are you complaining Honestly, HK has a sort of problem where there are too many good NPC companions and you basically have to leave some on the bench. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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Oct 9, 2020 01:26
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PMush Perfect posted:I do wish that the Rigger NPC had at least some Decking skill, so you’d have options if you don’t want to bring Is0bel on literally every mission. Yeah it's weird that he didn't, it definitely felt like an oversight and would have fit his character perfectly. I still took him along on most missions and poor Duncan got benched for 90% of runs
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Oct 9, 2020 01:49
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PMush Perfect posted:I also always chose "we were close", for a lot of reasons, at least one of which is a spoiler.
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Oct 9, 2020 02:03
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Precommiting to not letting the AI out is the only right choice. But we wouldn't be shadowrunners if we made right choices. Save it.
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Oct 9, 2020 02:04
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Save it. gently caress the corporations.
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Oct 9, 2020 02:09
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Crane Fist posted:Yeah it's weird that he didn't, it definitely felt like an oversight and would have fit his character perfectly. I still took him along on most missions and poor Duncan got benched for 90% of runs I always benched the shaman for the same reason. Kill Apex
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Oct 9, 2020 02:18
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PMush Perfect posted:For reference, I said this years ago, and this conversation with APEX is the other reason. An AI trying to manipulate you with the face of your friend? hosed up. An AI trying to manipulate you with the face of your lover? Hot drat, that is some spicy drama. I wish the earlier chat with Dietrich affected this conversation more, because yeah, this is the good poo poo.
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Oct 9, 2020 02:23
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Save the AI Look, eventually someone else is gonna make an AI, might as well have another one around that likes us
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Oct 9, 2020 02:36
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It's lying. Blow it up.
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Oct 9, 2020 02:38
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This program needs to be de-rezzed.
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Oct 9, 2020 03:10
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Let's see, the last couple of AI that have been released into the general Matrix have cause a lot of death. I am thinking destroy it
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Oct 9, 2020 03:12
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PMush Perfect posted:For reference, I said this years ago, and this conversation with APEX is the other reason. An AI trying to manipulate you with the face of your friend? hosed up. An AI trying to manipulate you with the face of your lover? Hot drat, that is some spicy drama. I'd be a lot more likely to consider dealing with this thing if it wasn't wearing Monica's face. Kill it
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Livewire42 posted:I always benched the shaman for the same reason. She's fun to have along though! Duncan is a big ol nerd
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Oct 9, 2020 03:14
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Kill it mostly because I personally saved it
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Oct 9, 2020 03:23
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"hey, remember your friend that I murdered? Well I also ate her soul and now I'm wearing her face like Buffalo Bill because I want to exploit your attachment to her so you'll help me. It's totally safe to let me out though! I only want to party!"
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Oct 9, 2020 03:26
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Never played this game before, just the first. I wish I had played it, but I'm a bit spoiled now. So, if I were playing? I'd destroy it.
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Oct 9, 2020 03:36
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Hannibal Rex posted:Shadowrun's got Dragons, Spirits, Horrors and who knows what else running around in its setting. A good old fashioned hunter-killer AI is almost quaint by comparison, and at the very least, it's descended from humanity, which is more than you can say about most other powerful critters around. Works for me! Free it. I am kinda curious to see what happens if it's destroyed, if it can be destroyed, since I freed it in my playthrough. But I'm confident Kanfy will show us the alternatives at the end.
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Oct 9, 2020 03:37
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Kill it
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Oct 9, 2020 03:41
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Crane Fist posted:"hey, remember your friend that I murdered? Well I also ate her soul and now I'm wearing her face like Buffalo Bill because I want to exploit your attachment to her so you'll help me. It's totally safe to let me out though! I only want to party!" Hm, sounds trustworthy. I like the cut of its soul-eating, face-stealing jib. save it
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Oct 9, 2020 03:52
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Its a go getter, it has a little thing I like to call: zazz
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Oct 9, 2020 03:58
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Save it. Even if it decides to go rogue because it is an AI and this is a video game, the only party member it could eat is Blitz. Eating Blitz would be akin to guzzling a tanker truck worth of arsenic, so the problem would resolve itself in short order.
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Oct 9, 2020 04:22
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saeder-krup made an AI that absorbed the memories and thoughts of its victims and didn't plan for it to eventually go weird because of that? Some A+ corp forward thinking there. Save it, cuz why not
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Oct 9, 2020 04:23
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"I can't believe an AI would eat MY face" cries scientist who invented face-eating AI
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Oct 9, 2020 04:56
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Kill it. Normally I'd be happy to have another mysterious, powerful entity running around the F-state, but I feel like we should trust our pretty-drat-unanimous team on this one.
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Oct 9, 2020 04:58
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Kill it!
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Oct 9, 2020 05:09
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Save More interesting that way
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Oct 9, 2020 05:18
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Kill it
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Oct 9, 2020 05:35
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Oh what the hell, save it.
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Oct 9, 2020 06:04
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Save it
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Oct 9, 2020 06:38
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You came here to kill the thing, kill it.
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Oct 9, 2020 06:43
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Save it because it’s more interesting that way. E: In the sense that it’s just the knife, not the hand that wields the knife. And if Iain Banks taught us anything it’s that a knife (missile) AI can be a good buddy if it has no reason not to.
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Dareon posted:Still, it would be really good if we could actually tell whether or not APEX was lying. I think there's sufficient evidence of APEX's actions from the start of this game to now to make a pretty solid claim, honestly. i've done both ways, but I vote kill it this time around. Psion fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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Oct 9, 2020 07:10
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Save it. If nothing else, it's funny to me that if it goes rogue in the murderous way in the future, SK is going to have to clean up their mess if they ever want to use the future-internet again.
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Oct 9, 2020 07:39
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Kill it, I don't trust this thing for a second
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Oct 9, 2020 08:36
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It is doing a very good job of telling us what we want to hear: - your friend, who you're grieving, isn't actually dead - your mentor who you looked up to is so awesome that she brought sentience to an AI - the AI who was your greatest enemy wants to become your ally - it shares your ideals for the Flux State - because you are a clever cookie you were able to see past its deception! well done! now you've won this conversation you can totally trust the ai even though nothing at all has changed about the situation I totally didn't spot this on my first time round and went with Save, and I really wanna see how a different approach could turn out -- so kill.
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Oct 9, 2020 09:20
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GimmickMan posted:I wish the earlier chat with Dietrich affected this conversation more, because yeah, this is the good poo poo.
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Save it! No fancy reasoning, I just think it'd be fun 
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