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kitten emergency posted:i thought this was the thread where we could laugh at dead chuds, i feel like i've been lied to no that loss is hilarious and it can stay
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i would say, very broadly, there are three main things the american left is interested in - * national single payer health care * immediate action on climate change * strong workers rights none of those require the "abolishment of capitalism"
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kitten emergency posted:i would say, very broadly, there are three main things the american left is interested in - Eliminate and prosecute police brutality and uterus harvesters is also on that list. "Make the police follow the law" seems a bit too radical though, maybe try "police is only allowed to murder you if nobody can see them planting evidence" first???
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kitten emergency posted:i would say, very broadly, there are three main things the american left is interested in - i also care about the absolutely bonkers wealth inequality going on related to that: that we don't have social safety nets (people shouldn't have to be homeless) the out of control police that it's way the hell too easy for any moron to get a gun dc statehood term limits for congress
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Stop school shootings is probably up there although COVID has taken care of that nicely for now. Thank you president Trump!
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i was trying to limit it to things that were broadly and universally agreed upon to argue a point
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kitten emergency posted:i would say, very broadly, there are three main things the american left is interested in - you're absolutely right but in the face of an opposition party who believes in none of those and actively works to undermine all of them enabled by a media and capital class with a vested interest in opposing them, screaming about how you won't get involved unless all three are guaranteed is a quick route to no one listening or caring what you think
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Oct 11, 2020 23:54
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oh, and we still throw people in jail for weed. wtf
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american conservatives: conserve your seed. dont cum. battle the amero. theyre gonna make you marry a dude and youre gonna have to dress up like a girl and be the wife american libs: i keep burning out my bmw's window motors rolling them up at freeway offramps
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Oct 11, 2020 23:55
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akadajet posted:i also care about any talk about disarming a segment of american society should really be accompanied by talk of random suburban police departments no longer getting armored personnel carriers and other hand-me-downs from the federal government that they ultimately have no use for
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Oct 11, 2020 23:57
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Jonny 290 posted:american conservatives: conserve your seed. dont cum. battle the amero. theyre gonna make you marry a dude and youre gonna have to dress up like a girl and be the wife this is all entirely true but the too cool for school act is just kinda sad like what good is it to point out how far to the right of decent the dem party is?
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The_Franz posted:any talk about disarming a segment of american society should really be accompanied by talk of random suburban police departments no longer getting armored personnel carriers and other hand-me-downs from the federal government that they ultimately have no use for yah. most (all??) police officers don't need guns either.
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Blinkz0rz posted:this is all entirely true but the too cool for school act is just kinda sad it's better than not pointing it out
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Blinkz0rz posted:you're absolutely right but enough about the democratic party
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kitten emergency posted:i was trying to limit it to things that were broadly and universally agreed upon to argue a point Were you really going to accomplish anything by arguing the point? You can just assume people understand this would more or less quiet down with equal application of the law, respect of human rights by the government and a ban on profiteering on things that are essential to survival or participation in society. Anyone who doesn't understand that is either arguing in bad faith or too far gone to be amenable to any argument. Sure, there's a lot of arguments about things to fight for, but as long as people can have faith in a better tomorrow where they won't starve for getting sick, those fights will be done mostly with the ballot box. But the "left-wing" option is "we'll keep fracking until we've bled the world dry" so guess that's not in the cards.
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Blinkz0rz posted:
if we don't, they will continue to move right. over and over and over again. they have proven this with their track record. There is a difference between "wanting donald trump to be president for another term" and "realizing that biden's admin will crush the wonderful growth of the leftist movement we've seen in the past three years, and will put us in an objectively worse position in 2020 and 2022" people really are not cognizant of the absolute horrorshow we have coming up in four years. Competent fascists are way, way more terrifying than the incompetent ones we have today. I recognize that it's fundamentally an accelerationist take, based on the premise that we can strengthen the left and make it a real option in the next four years if we have trump term 2. I don't have an easy or happy rebuttal to that. i guess so.
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endlessmonotony posted:But the "left-wing" option is "we'll keep fracking until we've bled the world dry" so guess that's not in the cards. trump is the visible symptoms of an illness just before treatment is impossible however, trump is the symptom of people like biden: a slow growing malignant tumor that has been destroying things from inside over decades. so much legislation that has lead to the current hellworld in the us has his name on it in some fashion
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President Beep posted:conveys a real sense of loss omg
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fwiw i don't necessarily think a president biden spells the doom of the left or w/e, no more than i think that another 4 years for our wet rear end president ensures the destruction of the DNC and a takeover by leftists.
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There's various takes on it, that's fine and I don't discount your position. I still think four years of biden will be a Great Undoing. in 2023 under biden, BLM will be a thing for history class, not current events.
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kitten emergency posted:i would say, very broadly, there are three main things the american left is interested in - And I would argue the biggest thing that drew support to Bernie wasn't the belief he would snap his fingers and get it all done, but a belief that he would spend every waking moment for 4 years trying to accomplish these things like he said he wanted to. Probably the only thing he may have been able to pull off is some vague emissions poo poo targeting 2035 and sneak in a few laws to attempt to loosen the boot off the neck of unions. thats all a huge amount of people want. someone who will stand by their promise to fight for the working man after they're elected.
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Jonny 290 posted:if we don't, they will continue to move right. over and over and over again. they have proven this with their track record. there were socialists in weimar germany who also believed the incompetent fascists were better to leave in charge so that the communists could get their turn. it ended Badly, as we all know. that said, i also think this one election isn't the point all this stuff was decided. it definitely happened a long time ago
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whatever reagan proved you can have a senile president and America will still exist afterwards and Jill Biden can probably puppet better than Nancy did without a dick in her mouth all day.
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Beamed posted:
This is really important and I want to quote for emphasis. This poo poo started in '68 (I mean, really, 400 years before that, but let's start here) and it took them two generations to get it chiseled into the cornerstones. Now we gotta figure out how to undo that.
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290.. im not judging im just confused are you not voting, voting for trump, or for independent? or private info. also did you watch the end of inglorious basterds yet? if you dont like nazis you WILL enjoy it (unless you dont like seeing nazis get their commupance)
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spankmeister posted:wait this isn't the drinking thread they all are if you're drunk https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3907081 
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I can understand Johnny's point of view to a certain extent but god drat you'd have to be pretty loving nuts to actually vote for Trump. I couldn't stomach it even if I would think it's the right thing to do.
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echinopsis posted:290.. spankmeister posted:I can understand Johnny's point of view to a certain extent but god drat you'd have to be pretty loving nuts to actually vote for Trump. I couldn't stomach it even if I would think it's the right thing to do.  biden has not earned, and does not deserve, my popular vote. Colorado is very, very safe blue.
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Jonny 290 posted:Colorado is very, very safe blue. this is the really important bit vote your conscience if you can but pragmatism has to win the day if the outcome is ever in doubt
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Oct 12, 2020 00:29
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Jonny 290 posted:
What are your thoughts on Howie Hawkins? He has the SPUSA nomination as well as the green party and seems like a good guy, but I haven't done a ton of research. Washington is also solidly blue, so it'd be a safe vote for a candidate I genuinely believe in.
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Howie's cool-ish but has some had some sketchy takes on the trans community and i love my friends so
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decolonize the world of white people disperse them to the nations they have exploited, to pay back what they have stolen through hard labor
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carry on then posted:decolonize the world of white people i would literally necromance my grandmother back into existence and stab her to death if it meant I could permanently relocate to Europe. That being said, I can't emigrate ANYWHERE right now so it's a moot point
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Jonny 290 posted:i would literally necromance my grandmother back into existence and stab her to death if it meant I could permanently relocate to Europe. That being said, I can't emigrate ANYWHERE right now so it's a moot point where was she from? sometimes even great grandparents can get you in
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Blinkz0rz posted:maybe trigger warning a dead body jfc Don’t trigger warn funny content imho
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The_Franz posted:where was she from? sometimes even great grandparents can get you in sadly i'm one generation too removed to get any birthright/descendant poo poo going on. i'm stuck here. i will die in the united states of america. by allah's hand i will do so fighting fascists and not choking in my bed from covid.
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Blinkz0rz posted:this is the really important bit My wife and I voted for Biden because we’re in PA I’ll never admit that outside this thread.
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Totally fine and I won't bitch at you about it. PA's battleground as gently caress, its insane
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