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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


I ordered some lays wavy chips + horseradish bacon dip to make the minimum on my beer order and if this is what common people eat, holy poo poo no wonder they're mad. it's cardboard dipped in trash.

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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Jonny 290 posted:

we're going to get 4 years of biden and 28 years of tom cotton out of this

You gotta believe

https://twitter.com/alwaysadorecats/status/1315343681323495424

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1315339279183224833

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

You wanna see some crazy poo poo, look at Democrat platforms in the 1970s.

yeah i have watched old debates for kicks and it is amazing how much ground progressives have lost.

mostly to racism or the impotent rage of old white people who didn’t do as well in life as they thought they would.

in austin news: do not gently caress with feral hogs.

https://twitter.com/kxan_news/status/1315411903003324418?s=21

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I voted for Biden because I live in Pennsylvania.

I think he's a total piece of poo poo rapist and I acted against my principles in voting for him.

I will tell everyone outside of this thread that I didn't vote for him.

Pretty sure my wife didn't vote for him.

Honestly, most of NoJoe is NoJoe because the problem isn't Cheeto Benito, it runs a lot deeper, and anyone thinking Joe will solve any of it needs to be swiftly deplatformed because those views will lead to complacency. At best he'll be a breather from the chaos. At worst he'll suppress actual progressives and do gently caress all about the alt right.

There's a lot of work ahead no matter which racist old man wins.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

EIDE Van Hagar posted:

yeah i have watched old debates for kicks and it is amazing how much ground progressives have lost.

mostly to racism or the impotent rage of old white people who didn’t do as well in life as they thought they would.

in austin news: do not gently caress with feral hogs.

https://twitter.com/kxan_news/status/1315411903003324418?s=21

drat imagine if there were 29-49 more of them

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


endlessmonotony posted:

There's a lot of work ahead no matter which racist old man wins.

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme
A few days ago I got my voter pamphlet in the mail and read through some of the front matter that I usually skip. The pamphlet explained the electoral college, which up until then I only had an abstract understanding of. This effort post might be interesting to people outside of the US, or those like me who never read up on it until now.

One thing in particular stood out to me, which is that if no candidate receives a majority (270) of the electoral votes, then the house and the senate elect (which would almost certainly be an appointment based on the party majority) the president and vice president, respectively. Skipping past the lols where this could result in president and vice president belonging to opposing parties, this means in practice that a third-party candidate, unless they completely sweep the country and get a majority of votes (which is honestly a near impossibility in US politics), will never be elected when the congress is two-party. Even if the vote is split 40% 3rd-party, 30% democrat, 30% republican, the third party candidate will not win. A democrat or republican will be appointed (ahem, elected) president by our two-party congress who have no reason to vote against their party.

Don't think I'm so naive that I didn't know before based on past election results that a third-party candidate has practically no chance of winning a general election, but now I know why that even if they get a plurality of votes they would never become president.

My personal opinion is that both political parties in the US are outright terrible and neither have the people's interests first. With the electoral college system there is no real possibility of new political parties, bringing different ideas and fresh blood to the US' leadership.

Switching our general elections to a direct vote (with federal standards and oversight) should be a top priority for all of us who want to regain control of our country from minority rule that puts the interests of oligarchs and the party before the people. Throw in multiple rounds of voting (or ranked choice for virtual rounds) while we're at it so that a third-party candidate has a fighting chance.

The republican party has no incentive to move away from the electoral college at all, it actively benefits them because states with smaller populations, often more rural, get more electoral votes per capita and tend to favor the republican party (for real!). The democratic party has a slight incentive to end the electoral college for the same reason, but in my opinion they really lack the competence to pull it off even if they had a majority in both houses of congress and a president. Plus, the democrats could be hurt in the future since it opens the possibility for a third-party candidate to win, so they may be hesitant.

So are we hosed and doomed to hazy facsimile of democracy forever? Quite possibly, but there's a glimmer of hope that the democratic party could do the right thing and end the electoral college, given the stars all align. But doubtful. :(

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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endlessmonotony posted:

Honestly, most of NoJoe is NoJoe because the problem isn't Cheeto Benito, it runs a lot deeper

its this for me. if you claim that joe biden has anything more than mashed potatoes for brains with an occasional chunk of pork loin, you are lying to yourself and the word.


the dude should be in a wicker rocking chair on a Virginia plantation porch

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Hunter2 Thompson posted:

A few days ago I got my voter pamphlet in the mail and read through some of the front matter that I usually skip. The pamphlet explained the electoral college, which up until then I only had an abstract understanding of. This effort post might be interesting to people outside of the US, or those like me who never read up on it until now.

One thing in particular stood out to me, which is that if no candidate receives a majority (270) of the electoral votes, then the house and the senate elect (which would almost certainly be an appointment based on the party majority) the president and vice president, respectively. Skipping past the lols where this could result in president and vice president belonging to opposing parties, this means in practice that a third-party candidate, unless they completely sweep the country and get a majority of votes (which is honestly a near impossibility in US politics), will never be elected when the congress is two-party. Even if the vote is split 40% 3rd-party, 30% democrat, 30% republican, the third party candidate will not win. A democrat or republican will be appointed (ahem, elected) president by our two-party congress who have no reason to vote against their party.

Don't think I'm so naive that I didn't know before based on past election results that a third-party candidate has practically no chance of winning a general election, but now I know why that even if they get a plurality of votes they would never become president.

My personal opinion is that both political parties in the US are outright terrible and neither have the people's interests first. With the electoral college system there is no real possibility of new political parties, bringing different ideas and fresh blood to the US' leadership.

Switching our general elections to a direct vote (with federal standards and oversight) should be a top priority for all of us who want to regain control of our country from minority rule that puts the interests of oligarchs and the party before the people. Throw in multiple rounds of voting (or ranked choice for virtual rounds) while we're at it so that a third-party candidate has a fighting chance.

The republican party has no incentive to move away from the electoral college at all, it actively benefits them because states with smaller populations, often more rural, get more electoral votes per capita and tend to favor the republican party (for real!). The democratic party has a slight incentive to end the electoral college for the same reason, but in my opinion they really lack the competence to pull it off even if they had a majority in both houses of congress and a president. Plus, the democrats could be hurt in the future since it opens the possibility for a third-party candidate to win, so they may be hesitant.

So are we hosed and doomed to hazy facsimile of democracy forever? Quite possibly, but there's a glimmer of hope that the democratic party could do the right thing and end the electoral college, given the stars all align. But doubtful. :(

What subreddit is this from

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Hunter2 Thompson posted:

this could result in president and vice president belonging to opposing parties

wasn't that somewhat the idea?

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

endlessmonotony posted:

There's a lot of work ahead no matter which racist old man wins.

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

What subreddit is this from

i wrote it myself. Learning this was an transformative experience. I went from thinking "our elections have problems" to "our elections are un-democratic" in about one or two hours. Maybe it'll help others do the same.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Hunter2 Thompson posted:

i wrote it myself. Learning this was an transformative experience. I went from thinking "our elections have problems" to "our elections are un-democratic" in about one or two hours. Maybe it'll help others do the same.

didn't read any of it lol

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i’d read an effort post on hogs tho

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
the most important thing I think I've voted on was when one of the big two parties in NZ called a referendum on "hey should we get rid of proportional representation and do a first-past-the-post system like the us has". gotta slap that poo poo down hard.

(aside: the other question on that referendum was "if we do ditch our current proportional representation system, what should we replace it with", which had first-past-the-post up against three slightly different proportional representation systems, in a blatant attempt to manufacture a plurality for fpp).

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

have you seen the 13 guys that tried to overthrow the michigan governor? they all look like they got spit out of the chud incubator tube, and all their names sound like they were picked by the japanese guy who had to come up with american sounding names for the nintendo baseball game

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


My wife left this up for me to see and it made me melt inside



Everything sucks but there's a lot of good out there.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
mate that just means you’re made out of gas



nah but good poo poo

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i don’t really know who to vote for everyone sucks, every single party is more than happy for the destruction of my industry to occur and none seem to want to do anything about killing landlords

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

My wife left this up for me to see and it made me melt inside



Everything sucks but there's a lot of good out there.

imagine being single in 2020

like, imagine being that much of a loving failure, and now the universe is literally reaching out and punishing you with a level of isolation usually only reserved for the most deranged criminals

good

Doc Block
Apr 15, 2003
Fun Shoe


North America is full of awful people but also some gorgeous natural beauty

Truly a land of contrasts

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

carry on then posted:

imagine being single in 2020

like, imagine being that much of a loving failure, and now the universe is literally reaching out and punishing you with a level of isolation usually only reserved for the most deranged criminals

good

poo poo you’re a miserable oval office take some of your own advice and uncolonise yourself - aka take your colon out. and live to tell the tail ( because you made it into a tail behind you )

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

carry on then is an actual incel, iirc

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
drat makes sense

ive been unhappy and happy partnered and single, it aint some magic spell for happiness

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Roosevelt posted:

have you seen the 13 guys that tried to overthrow the michigan governor? they all look like they got spit out of the chud incubator tube, and all their names sound like they were picked by the japanese guy who had to come up with american sounding names for the nintendo baseball game

radical oblivion character generator stuck on breton again

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



the biggest issue American leftists face is there are two paths towards achieving our goals: taking over the Democratic Party over time or somehow uniting the left in general behind a party that doesn’t self collapse into a sea of rose tweets, or a protracted people’s revolutionary war.

the first option relies on us having time to change things as the boomers die off or retire OR a vanguard of us getting more direct in our direct action and praxis and beginning to run for various government positions and demonstrating to the American people that protests and mass strikes are effective, while also offering mutual aide to strikers that are concerned or do lose their jobs for partaking in strikes.

the second option, to me, is non-viable since it will probably lead to the deaths of tens of millions of people, while largely more aggressively affecting minorities. but then the issue will become the monied interests that will eternally hold sway in the Democratic Party will make sure to either crush the upstarts or double down on fascism and fully support them.

combine the first option with the uncertainty of democracy in general in the next five years and the guarantee of climate change really shifting gears into full on eco-fascism and it’s understandable why everything is doom and gloom

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



bourgeois electoralism is a fraudulent and bullshit system designed to keep themselves in power, but unless you have some wild plans and 4% of the population is willing to join in, it’s what we have to operate in. it’s valid to reject it but you also need to recognise that by rejecting it you are privileged in some way since the outcome won’t affect you.

that being said, if you do reject it but you also participate in forms of direct action and mutual aide specifically in aiding the people that are more affected then it evens out a little bit, though it may also just put you and them in a position that you wouldn’t need to be in

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


Sagebrush posted:

carry on then is an actual incel, iirc

furthering my belief he's a stymie parachute

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



carry on then posted:

decolonize the world of white people

disperse them to the nations they have exploited, to pay back what they have stolen through hard labor

read settlers you absolute muppet

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



bob dobbs is dead posted:

marx said that real communism would begin in the cities and he was right. maos lil experiment failed

communism is a stateless classless moneyless society that is achieved after socialism is established which is done after capitalism has run its course

also mao’s ideas were applicable to the material conditions of feudalist China and based on how his revolution went, he was correct

a lot of his theories were good enough to be merged into mainstream ML theory, such as the mass line. however, mao sucked rear end at anything not involving military strategy or ML theory to the point that Maoism was rejected by the CCP and Maoists are now largely weirdo western adventurists who like to stomp around some city in Texas calling everyone revisionists

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
The incumbent for my city council is a former republican that is now running ads about how the Green Party opponent participated in a protest outside her house to deliberately terrorize her daughter. My mailbox is stuffed every day with flyers from the local Police Union about how he wants to raise taxes and close small businesses.

What the gently caress I just wanted sane zoning laws.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




Jonny 290 posted:

we should practice terraforming earth before we try to terraform mars

we’re not going to terraform Mars.

we’re not going to travel ftl

even if we do, we’re still hosed.

there is no planet b.

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



Displeased Moo Cow posted:

we’re not going to terraform Mars.

we’re not going to travel ftl

even if we do, we’re still hosed.

there is no planet b.

I regret to inform you that there is a very good chance we do some of these things but the rich are going to be the ones escaping earth and the rest of us will just die

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


chances are if we ever developed FTL it'd almost immediately be used by some psychopath to hyper-relativistically suicide bomb earth out of existence

99% of people cannot be trusted with anything more energetic than a wet fart

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

FAT32 SHAMER posted:

I regret to inform you that there is a very good chance we do some of these things but the rich are going to be the ones escaping earth and the rest of us will just die

not in our lifetimes they wont

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




or some grotesque orbiting caravan looking down upon the poors from the stars

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


Displeased Moo Cow posted:

or some grotesque orbiting caravan looking down upon the poors from the stars

Elysium continues to be the sci-fi film with the most realistic trajectory

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




ahh yes I forgot about that film. Sharlto Copley being the bad rear end bad boy

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
Human colonization of space is a myth created by the military to secure funding for ICBMs in the 1960s and it isn't actually a realistic part of our future.

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PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


echinopsis posted:

mate that just means you’re made out of gas



nah but good poo poo

IT’S PLASMA :mad:

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