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quote:then in the very first mission of squadrons, the imperial blockade of fostar haven consists of, what, a dozen quasar fire-class carriers? it's so over the top. in the mission where you rescue the victarum, it's, again, quasar fires and three star destroyers and you annihilate most of them without fanfare. how many fighters is that? i just checked Wookieepedia, and a single quasar fire carries forty-eight starfighters. when you fly through the rebel fleet, it's composed entirely of corellian corvettes and nebulon-bs with a single mon cal cruiser. I mean, as a die hard xwing game fan back in the day i'm with you guys in spirit but... have you seen those new star wars films?  This game is practically DCS in comparison. Isometric Bacon fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Icedude posted:I've only played a few vs AI matches but I'm having a hell of a time actually hitting anything, even with the auto-aim guns. I think so yes. It makes sense that the axes that are most important are on the 'best' axes on your controls as well. For airplanes, that's roll because the quickest way to turn is to roll and then pitch up. In space games like this, the quickest way to turn is to just turn.
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tbh a person asked me to be their date to see the last star wars movie in theater; and the only thing i really remember outside of being sad that laura derns character was bad and there wasnt really enough finn- is that i just remember being kind of electrified that i was on a date to see a star wars in a theater  ngl that was a life goal i didnt think i'd get to do, for a number of reasons, back in the day.. e; idk what DCS is but im glad that this game isnt like that screen shot you posted
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Oct 14, 2020 11:17
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uXs posted:I think so yes. It makes sense that the axes that are most important are on the 'best' axes on your controls as well. That makes sense. I guess I was just too used to planes to think about how you'd put the more important controls on the stick instead of the "correct" ones. That, and my last space sim being Elite Dangerous where your ship may as well not even have had Yaw thrusters, probably didn't help 
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Oct 14, 2020 11:19
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Statutory Ape posted:i was v proud of that medal case with all the ribbons in x-wing Oh man I was just looking for images and I forgot that you got the medals presented to you in a wooden case and poo poo. And you had a uniform with medals and ribbons and those things that show your rank increasing. And a necklace with a thing with wings. Why didn't they do this for this game?? It would've been such an awesome callback.
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Oct 14, 2020 11:21
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uXs posted:Why didn't they do this for this game?? It would've been such an awesome callback. from the sounds of it youd only have earned like 8 ribbons
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Icedude posted:That makes sense. I guess I was just too used to planes to think about how you'd put the more important controls on the stick instead of the "correct" ones. It's all about what you find easiest really. I'm used to playing space games like this, and plane games with traditional controls. There's nothing wrong with doing something the 'wrong' way if it works for you. (*) (*: this is only true if it actually does work though. If you would insist on putting pitch up on the left pedal and pitch down on throttle up I'd argue that there are better ways to do things.)
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DCS is like Squadrons, but with modern and somewhat outdated fighter planes, often with clicky cockpits, and a realistic damage model. If you have a flight stick, you should at least give it a try (there is a free map and a free non-clicky plane). Goons have a weekly mission with 20~30 people across several 4-plane flights with different roles. It is fun.
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Statutory Ape posted:from the sounds of it youd only have earned like 8 ribbons Well you can get 5 medals per mission. Which is also way too much obviously, you shouldn't get 3 medals just for completing one dumb mission. At that rate you're going to run out of metal to build ships.
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Oct 14, 2020 11:28
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Corky Romanovsky posted:DCS is like Squadrons, but with modern and somewhat outdated fighter planes, often with clicky cockpits, and a realistic damage model. Okay, stop right there. DCS is nothing like Squadrons at all. It's a set of hardcore sims (with the price to match). Just starting most planes' engine alone is a 40-step process.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Okay, stop right there. It's literally one button in the cheat menu.
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Isometric Bacon posted:I mean, as a die hard xwing game fan back in the day i'm with you guys in spirit but... honest to god, i forgot that film existed. but yes, the sequel films were out of tone too, in their own way. from poe 'one hell of a pilot'ing out like a dozen ties in ten seconds or to, uh, poe again shooting off every turret on the dreadnaught.
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If you think about it this is a study sim given the vehicles are pure fiction.
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I really don't get some of the criticism floating around that this game is an arcadey / dumbed down tie-fighter / x-wing - I think people are remembering them with rose tinted glasses as some sort of depth simulation, when really they had a good mix between being accessible and having complex systems but still being fun to play.. Having played them recently, I am astonished at how well this includes all the core gameplay mechanics and almost all the little fiddly bits that people remember as being 'sim' like: I mean it has targeting of subsystems, power management, shunting power between systems, range, shield direction management, missile launching, countermeasures, overcharging shields and lasers, higher speed turns at reduced speed etc, etc. All of these things are inexorably tied to being a 'good' pilot at the game. Even better, this improves upon them by adding new mechanics, like the boost and drift systems and actually making the multiplayer competitive and moving it away from the continual 'spinning wheel of death' dogfights, by adding lots of cover to the maps and distinct objectives and match phases. It's also significantly faster paced, which feels fitting for both Star Wars and modern games. Hell, even the campaign does things like the mission briefings and inspecting of freighters, and even adds Wing Commander esque conversations. ...Now if you say that what it has compared to those games is a lack of content - I'm totally with you. I don't see this as having the same staying power with me, as I typically have been finding myself replaying one of the older games every 5 or so years.
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Isometric Bacon posted:I really don't get some of the criticism floating around that this game is an arcadey / dumbed down tie-fighter / x-wing - I think people are remembering them with rose tinted glasses as some sort of depth simulation, when really they had a good mix between being accessible and having complex systems but still being fun to play.. 
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Horizon Burning posted:honest to god, i forgot that film existed. but yes, the sequel films were out of tone too, in their own way. from poe 'one hell of a pilot'ing out like a dozen ties in ten seconds or to, uh, poe again shooting off every turret on the dreadnaught. As someone who's basic love of star wars came from playing X-Wing incessantly as a child and watching A New Hope on repeat, my entire in-head identity of Star Wars is that it's about x-wings, even if every single part of the actual movies, and every additional movie since has been telling me otherwise. So I still think every space battle scene should be treated like a World War 2 skirmish. I also really dislike all the flight scenes in the prequels.
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Isometric Bacon posted:I really don't get some of the criticism floating around that this game is an arcadey / dumbed down tie-fighter / x-wing - I think people are remembering them with rose tinted glasses as some sort of depth simulation, when really they had a good mix between being accessible and having complex systems but still being fun to play.. Oh yeah don't get me wrong I love this game. When I saw the first trailers I couldn't dare to believe it would be any good, but it's loving awesome. It still has flaws though, and I think the old games did some things better.
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It literally needs ranked dogfight and a more customizable trainer and it would be nearly perfect. If they could add private PVP rooms with customizable options for dogfight then it would be perfect! In fact, that ranked dogfight isn't in there already is just 
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Isometric Bacon posted:I really don't get some of the criticism floating around that this game is an arcadey / dumbed down tie-fighter / x-wing - I think people are remembering them with rose tinted glasses as some sort of depth simulation, when really they had a good mix between being accessible and having complex systems but still being fun to play.. Yup this
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uXs posted:I agree. I basically have 2 problems with it: size and character. For some reason I hear MK-09 yelling me in an echo-y Mon Cal concourse that I have new e-mail. I echo these sentiments but as others have said earlier and I doubt anyone has really disputed the gameplay itself is actually more mechanically complex in Squadrons than in X-Wing games. Apart from ghost resupply and repairs, I guess. Also on Ace it felt required on some missions to abuse a starship's hangar for repairs. As a sidenote on one mission your ISD is moving. So if you dock you have a good chance of dying upon relaunch.  Should probably make a bug report of that.
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morallyobjected posted:have they said anything about a Squadrons 2? cause man that ending is not satisfying Big problem is I think EA is set to lose the star wars license before they could release a squadrons 2. I think ironically that's kinda why they made squadrons 1, to have another game they can push out and sell. Their license is going to be up for renewal and there's a new Disney guy making decisions so that's why I don't give it good odds. Ineffiable fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Ineffiable posted:Big problem is I think EA is set to lose the star wars license before they could release a squadrons 2. I think ironically that's kinda why they made squadrons 1, to have another game they can push out and sell. Looks like they lose the license in 2023? Man, what a wasted opportunity to have 10 years and only release what, 4 games? I wonder how many half developed titles never saw the light of day. Not that I'm complaining, generally speaking each one actually released has been above average quality and they haven't appeared to treat it like a cash cow, discounting the Battlefront 2 fiasco. They've certainly doing better than Lucas arts was doing for a long time before they folded.
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Yeah I was thinking it was 2021-2022 for some reason. Still they might be able to make a squadrons 2 with improved multiplayer and another campaign for release in end of 2021 or possibly 2022. But they might have to delist the game for sale once the deal expires (assuming they don't extend) so it's a tricky situation.
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Ineffiable posted:Yeah I was thinking it was 2021-2022 for some reason. Still they might be able to make a squadrons 2 with improved multiplayer and another campaign for release in end of 2021 or possibly 2022. But they might have to delist the game for sale once the deal expires (assuming they don't extend) so it's a tricky situation. The only sane licensing deal is that they have until x date to release games, not that they lose the ability to sell already released games with the Star Wars IP. Likewise it would be strange for Disney to agree to another exclusive license period, but if EA want to negotiate for more games it's good to be able to demonstrate you can a) make money and b) enrich the IP doing so.
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4 games in 10 years is actually a normal number. I know there is a chart out there explaining the game dev process and it takes two years easy to put out a game from the start, more if you build your own engine.
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dialhforhero posted:4 games in 10 years is actually a normal number. I know there is a chart out there explaining the game dev process and it takes two years easy to put out a game from the start, more if you build your own engine. 4 games in 10 years from a publisher not a dev studio
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dialhforhero posted:4 games in 10 years is actually a normal number. I know there is a chart out there explaining the game dev process and it takes two years easy to put out a game from the start, more if you build your own engine. This is a 8 year old game engine though, in its current incarnation It's just a reskin of Battlefield 3's jet/dogfighting mode, which itself is a warmed over update from Battlefield Bad Company 2 which came out uh, ten and one half years ago I have no idea how a company like EA manages to poo poo out only one star wars game every two years They're probably going to lose their license to somebody else with better throughput, part of the deal of licensing a franchise is to get residuals from game sales, major games also help sell movie tickets in non covid times Ten years ago there would have been at least one baby yoda platformer or something, and we'd have a sequel a week before msndalorian season 2 launched
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I think people are vastly underestimating the time and effort needed to make and release a game.
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activision blizzard can do 1 COD a year with a franchise they started from nothing EA:
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EA puts out SW games less frequently than lucasarts did, which, when you think about the resources at their disposal: lol
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Statutory Ape posted:activision blizzard can do 1 COD a year with a franchise they started from nothing It would be completely disheartening to see Squadrons become a COD-like mill.
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PunkBoy posted:It would be completely disheartening to see Squadrons become a COD-like mill. PunkBoy posted:I think people are vastly underestimating the time and effort needed to make and release a game. ok
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PunkBoy posted:I think people are vastly underestimating the time and effort needed to make and release a game. Dude it's just code. Hire some coders and code it, boom, done. Maybe sucker some art students in to working for free to "get experience" if you need arts
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Not sure what the issue is? A shitton of work is put into COD every year, and that comes at the expense of the quality of the game and the well being of the development team. I'm not under any illusion that the Squadron devs didn't face crunch, but it would suck if things got even worse. Statutory Ape posted:EA puts out SW games less frequently than lucasarts did, which, when you think about the resources at their disposal: lol Tbh a lot of those games weren't that good
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OctaMurk posted:Dude it's just code. Hire some coders and code it, boom, done. Maybe sucker some art students in to working for free to "get experience" if you need arts Most assets are just recycled at this point Engine is recycled Add some new guns, add some new hats, couple new maps, ship it just in time for Christmas It's not rocket science. Game developers are generally near the bottom of the developer totem pole as most of it isn't especially taxing work. It's extremely formulaic at this point
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Call of Duty has millions if players. A pure dogfighting simulator, a Call of Duty it is not. I would be surprised if more than a dozen devs were actually dedicated to this game only.
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Hadlock posted:
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Managed to score a Logitech X56 for MSRP off of Facebook Marketplace, gutted through the weirdness required to map all the controls properly, hopped in a dogfight .... and got completely spanked. Man, flying with a HOTAS sure does feel cooler but I am a way shittier pilot with this thing than I ever was with a bog-standard Xbox controller.  Been a long-rear end time since I played TIE Fighter on my dad's Sidewinder.
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