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DoctorTristan posted:The story used to be up on the website, but it seems he’s taken it down now. The gist of it was that he was reading the wizards.com forums and was so incensed at the sheer number of Bad Opinions on there that he had no choice but to register and set them to rights. Naturally he needed a username that would impress upon them just powerful his RPG knowledge was, so he chose that B5 quote to impress upon Wrong People that he was the Vorlons to their Centauri and they should fear him. I remember him telling the story about how he was a giant but how does that relate to Babylon 5 or whatever? I've never seen that.
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Acerbatus posted:I remember him telling the story about how he was a giant but how does that relate to Babylon 5 or whatever? I've never seen that. 'giants in the playground' is something sheridan says in s4 when (huge, giant b5 spoilers) the vorlons and the shadows are seeing who can glass the most inhabited planets
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Oct 22, 2020 08:23
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ikanreed posted:Yeah, but it's not a magic item. It's a box with a soul. A 3.5 phylactery is most definitely a magic item. It has a caster level and magic item creation feat requirement and everything.
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Oct 23, 2020 02:37
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A.o.D. posted:A 3.5 phylactery is most definitely a magic item. It has a caster level and magic item creation feat requirement and everything. Yeah, but what would it mean to supress it? It's a box with a soul inside. You can't dispel a soul.
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Oct 23, 2020 02:52
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I would say that dispelling the magic of a phylactery would cause the soul to no longer be contained, forcing it to move on to whatever afterlife it's destined to end up at. With the soul no longer connected to the lich body, it becomes a mindless undead.
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Oct 23, 2020 03:15
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I simply don't believe this has never come up before. I am positive there's an official ruling out there somewhere.
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Oct 23, 2020 03:19
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What is the interaction between a lich's phylactery and effects that dispel or suppress magic effects? The discussion here seems to be settled on Dispel Magic and similar effects suppressing the lich's regeneration ability, which just amounts to a delay.
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sirtommygunn posted:I would say that dispelling the magic of a phylactery would cause the soul to no longer be contained, forcing it to move on to whatever afterlife it's destined to end up at. With the soul no longer connected to the lich body, it becomes a mindless undead. Being able to insta-gib a high level Lich with a 3rd level Dispel Magic is terrible game balance, regardless of how you head-canon it. Furthermore, it explicitly says that destroying a phylactery doesn't kill the Lich unless you destroyed the Lich's body first. There are even rules for a Lich making itself a new phylactery if the old one is destroyed. So no, even if you Dispel the thing, the worst that happens would be the Lich has to make a new phylactery. But since they never explicitly call out a phylactery as a magic item, I'd say even that was a stretch.
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Makes sense to me that a phylactery is sort of its own category away from other magic items because of soul stuff in the same way a regular body isn't magic; they both contain your soul.
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Oct 23, 2020 04:14
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Reminder that D&D spells are supposed to do only what they say they do and absolutely nothing more
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Oct 23, 2020 04:14
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Reminder that D&D spells are supposed to do only what they say they do and absolutely nothing more Wondering now how many DnD players go on to become lawyers.
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Oct 23, 2020 04:50
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TheAceOfLungs posted:Wondering now how many DnD players go on to become lawyers. I went to a thing at gencon thing where a lawyer talked about games through that lens. It was pretty neat.
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Oct 23, 2020 05:20
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When I was applying to law school I wrote in the essay that I liked Magic the Gathering.
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Oct 23, 2020 08:08
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In any event, dispelling a phylactery is only a temporary effect, as dispel magic (as opposed to Disjunction, which actually does destroy magic items) only suppresses magic items for a short while.
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Oct 23, 2020 12:29
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Even if you could destroy the phylactery with Disjunction, that wouldn't actually destroy the lich because the lich is only destroyed when both the phylactery and the skeleton are destroyed at the same time. So it'd be no different from just destroying the phylactery normally. Practically speaking, it seems to be less that the lich's soul is always stored in the phylactery and more like the phylactery acts a beacon to draw the soul in on death, preventing it from passing on to the afterlife normally. And then the body regenerates and the soul returns to the body or whatever. As mentioned earlier, a lich only feels a vague sense of dread when the phylactery is destroyed, and can make a new one given enough time.
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Oct 23, 2020 12:39
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Clarste posted:Even if you could destroy the phylactery with Disjunction, that wouldn't actually destroy the lich because the lich is only destroyed when both the phylactery and the skeleton are destroyed at the same time. So it'd be no different from just destroying the phylactery normally. Practically speaking, it seems to be less that the lich's soul is always stored in the phylactery and more like the phylactery acts a beacon to draw the soul in on death, preventing it from passing on to the afterlife normally. And then the body regenerates and the soul returns to the body or whatever. As mentioned earlier, a lich only feels a vague sense of dread when the phylactery is destroyed, and can make a new one given enough time. What I'm wondering is if Xykon casts his big dispel in a fight, notices that his phylactery has suddenly "turned off" but since he thinks it's on the astral plane, immediately fucks off to his hidden fortress to find out what happened to it, only to leave Redcloak alone to face the whole OotS. It'd be a case of team Evil getting screwed over by being too clever for their own good.
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Oct 23, 2020 12:43
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What strip has the joke about getting the 5000gp of gems for less than that?
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Oct 23, 2020 12:46
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TheAceOfLungs posted:Wondering now how many DnD players go on to become lawyers. Yo. I ain't a rules lawyer, I'm a rules lawyer!
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Oct 23, 2020 12:47
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Len posted:What strip has the joke about getting the 5000gp of gems for less than that? https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0677.html
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Oct 23, 2020 12:52
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A.o.D. posted:What I'm wondering is if Xykon casts his big dispel in a fight, notices that his phylactery has suddenly "turned off" but since he thinks it's on the astral plane, immediately fucks off to his hidden fortress to find out what happened to it, only to leave Redcloak alone to face the whole OotS. Magic items can only be dispelled/ suppressed if they are the single target of the dispel - area dispels specifically state they do not affect magic items (though arguably the protections Redcloak cast on the phylactery would be affected by the dispel).
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Oct 23, 2020 13:31
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DoctorTristan posted:Magic items can only be dispelled/ suppressed if they are the single target of the dispel - area dispels specifically state they do not affect magic items (though arguably the protections Redcloak cast on the phylactery would be affected by the dispel). That's for a regular dispel. Xykon is swinging around something a bit more potent. The same rules may not apply.
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Oct 23, 2020 14:16
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A.o.D. posted:That's for a regular dispel. Xykon is swinging around something a bit more potent. The same rules may not apply. Don't we know exactly what he's swinging around? Superb Dispelling, I thought?
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Don't we know exactly what he's swinging around? Superb Dispelling, I thought? 
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Oct 23, 2020 16:35
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Which is just Greater Dispel Magic with a +40, so all the same rules apply.
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Oct 23, 2020 16:38
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Which is just Greater Dispel Magic with a +40, so all the same rules apply. It's a good Xycon spell. Not clever or interesting, just a bigger hammer for hitting wizards.
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Oct 24, 2020 00:51
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Could Bloodfeast's Baleful Polymorph be undone by Superb Dispelling?
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SKULL.GIF posted:Could Bloodfeast's Baleful Polymorph be undone by Superb Dispelling? Actually, yes.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Could Bloodfeast's Baleful Polymorph be undone by Superb Dispelling? There's also the last remaining Gate, the only thing holding back the Snarl from devouring reality, the thing that Xykon is going to be standing right next to at some climactic beat in the near future. I bet that could be temporarily suppressed by Superb Dispelling.
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Oct 24, 2020 08:17
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Do I remember right that team evil is currently depleted after doing a delve?
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They are, partially. And redcloak just used one of his ninths to get brutally owned. I suspect xykon still has his epics though, because of course.
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Oct 24, 2020 10:15
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He’s a Sorcerer, he’s got spell slots for days.
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PMush Perfect posted:He’s a Sorcerer, he’s got spell slots for days. It's been a while since I actually played D&D, but I thought Sorcerers got less spell slots in exchange for the flexibility of not having to prepare spells? Edit: Now that I think about it, maybe that was less total spells known.
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Clarste posted:It's been a while since I actually played D&D, but I thought Sorcerers got less spell slots in exchange for the flexibility of not having to prepare spells? Yeah, the second one. Wizards get to know every spell. Sorcerers get to cast the few spells they know more often. The existence of scrolls throws all this into disarray regardless.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:There's also the last remaining Gate, the only thing holding back the Snarl from devouring reality, the thing that Xykon is going to be standing right next to at some climactic beat in the near future. I bet that could be temporarily suppressed by Superb Dispelling. Considering epic level spells are holding those in place, I suspect that the gate would be able to stand up to it. But it's also one of those things I wouldn't want to put
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SKULL.GIF posted:Could Bloodfeast's Baleful Polymorph be undone by Superb Dispelling? jng2058 posted:Actually, yes. Okay, now I am 100% sure this is going to be one of the reversals of fortune when the Order of the Stick fight Team Evil.
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Random Stranger posted:Considering epic level spells are holding those in place, I suspect that the gate would be able to stand up to it. But it's also one of those things I wouldn't want to put Superb Dispelling is also epic though.
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Minrah only knows the new team, so that's nice too As in, Rich is okay. Roy including everyone in on things, even unironically seeking Elan's advice on how the encounter would fit in the narrative was a great touch, but everyone was on point. Bell_ fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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Man, I really like Roy's character arc here. The fact he's going to Elan for input and taking him seriously in his area of expertise is a fantastic little moment after how much he belittled and ignored him in the early days.
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Yeah, this shows how the order has resolved its internal contradictions and is ready to move to the endgame. Though yeah, Elan is right that there are loose ends, specially concerning the Paladins and the nature of the Snarl.
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It also feels very like the PCs are being meta-gamey. "We're 45 minutes into a six hour session! There's no way we're ready for the final battle! Run for it!" And yes, I know that there aren't really any "Players" controlling the OotS PCs. But it is a very "I can see this happening in a real game" moment.
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