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BillyBlanks posted:Believe all of what ? That the forums are full of absolute weak stock that follows the wind when it comes to social issues? That just because spouting bullshit you half believe about supporting LGBT rights or whatever while doing nothing in the actual physical world about it isn't a virtue but rather evidence that you have no virtue, much less a spine ? Lol bruh you dont know me
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Billy come back and flounder around and get dommed by the rest of us superior lobsters you moss-gnawing dipshit
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Heath posted:Billy come back and flounder around and get dommed by the rest of us superior lobsters you moss-gnawing dipshit Moss? That's not a meat!
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Heath posted:Billy come back and flounder around and get dommed by the rest of us superior lobsters you moss-gnawing dipshit We're going to have to wait a whole nother year for him to get wine-drunk and whine to a dead gay forum that it's no longer 2003.
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Bill, Man but I just actually wanna clear up these presumptions. Im not a keyboard warrior, nor am I a weak man. I can bench more than you:  I campaign locally for socialist organizations, I cook for meals on wheels as a volunteer, I march against police violence, I spent 1/4 of my 20s living in the desert keeping young african girls in school, Ive worked like a loving slave as a pro chef and support my local union, got a few degrees, speak a few languages, will drink you under a table billy. I can and will prove all these things. I dont need bigotry to be self actualized. Bigotry is a crutch for the ethically lazy. Get hosed. Idiot.
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jordan peterson is back? more like jordan peterson is whack! haha!
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thehandtruck posted:Fair enough, thanks for answering. When you explain it like that I can see how his stances resonate with you. Certainly liberals and their wokeness was pretty poisonous for a while there, but it's funny because even though we both hate wokeness, we hate it for completely opposite reasons. As a leftists I see their performances as purely selfish and when push comes to shove libs side with fascists and continue to vote for them, almost never actually achieving the things they pretend they want to achieving. Jorp is talking about you too mr “woke” leftist, not just liberals.
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I'm listening to episode one of the Behind the Bastards about Jordan Peterson and both the host and Cody agreed that Jordo is a "great orator" and I am absolutely floored that anyone who isn't deep into his cult can think that. Every speech and video I've seen of him he talks with no force or passion or any kind of emotion that a normal person would be able to identify with. It's one of the things that baffles me most about him, I don't know what others are seeing that I'm not.
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Who What Now posted:I'm listening to episode one of the Behind the Bastards about Jordan Peterson and both the host and Cody agreed that Jordo is a "great orator" and I am absolutely floored that anyone who isn't deep into his cult can think that. Every speech and video I've seen of him he talks with no force or passion or any kind of emotion that a normal person would be able to identify with. It's one of the things that baffles me most about him, I don't know what others are seeing that I'm not. Robert Evans has an unfortunate habit of "you gotta hand it to 'em" when you really, really don't and shouldn't. Cody just agrees with whatever he does.
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There is an important facet of Jordan Peterson's life that I feel we must all acknowledge in these trying times. He is a tenured professor at the University of Toronto, and, to my knowledge, he was not tenured on his merits as the "intellectual" face of white supremacy. So he must have done something to earn a doctorate and a professorate. I lack the background to judge the quality of his publications myself, but I have been told by multiple sources that his early work is actually quite good. So what was the field of study at which mr. Peterson excelled, and why is it worth bringing up? Because he earned his doctorate for his work on clinical treatment of addiction. I don't think it's in the best taste to make fun of addicts, no matter how repugnant they are as people. Jordan Peterson, however, literally earned his position and platform for being an authority on the physiological aspects of addiction, and still decided he could just quit benzos cold turkey like it's no big deal. He was better equipped than anyone to avoid spending the previous year going in and out of medical comas and being carted around shady Russian hospitals.
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Little Swamp Baby Booger sits at the keyboard, crafting another well thought out take down of Jordan Peterson. A single bead of sweat forms on their forehead, a twitch springs into being on their lip. "I WAS hosed BY A LOBSTER!" Moon Atari posted:As for counter-programming: again, outside of my area except for the specific topic of trying to correct misinformation. If you have journal access the 2020 version of Lewandowsky and Ecker's 'Debunking Handbook' is going to be released soon, and it has some good advise in there that could be applied to broader counter-programming efforts. If you follow the reference trail from that paper you might eventually find my own undergrad research, which somehow has accidentally gained some amount of societal relevance since 2016 despite being boring and not at all what I wanted to be involved in at the time. Good news, it's out and it's free. https://www.skepticalscience.com/Debunking-Handbook-now-freely-available-download.html Loving your posts in this thread btw.
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Weka posted:Little Swamp Baby Booger sits at the keyboard, crafting another well thought out take down of Jordan Peterson. A single bead of sweat forms on their forehead, a twitch springs into being on their lip. Jordan Peterson hosed me!!
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The guy whose advice for quitting booze is “have a spiritual experience” became addicted to pills and completely botched his recovery at every opportunity? Odd.
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My lobster have u tried lsd
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There's also a story about how he managed to rack up three charges of sexual harassment within his first semester at the UoT and was the only professor who wasn't allowed to close his door during office hours. It provides a valuable contradiction to his position that it is impossible to figure out the rules of a workplace that involves both men and women; somehow none of his colleagues amassed as many reprimands as he did. Sadly, I lost the link, and the Google results for "Jordan Peterson sexual harassment" are not something I have the stomach to dig through.Who What Now posted:I'm listening to episode one of the Behind the Bastards about Jordan Peterson and both the host and Cody agreed that Jordo is a "great orator" and I am absolutely floored that anyone who isn't deep into his cult can think that. Every speech and video I've seen of him he talks with no force or passion or any kind of emotion that a normal person would be able to identify with. It's one of the things that baffles me most about him, I don't know what others are seeing that I'm not. People say the same about Donald Trump, and I haven't been able to figure that one out, either. My best guess is that some people are impressed by the ability to make just-so assertions without second-guessing yourself. BillyBlanks posted:I like Peterson. Seems like a genuinely nice guy and aside from religious stuff a lot of what he says resonates with me. BillyBlanks posted:No, he got the scarlet letter for not holding the only allowable opinion on trans people, that they should be able to do anything they want and be right about everything all the time, and now people twist everything he says to demonstrate the boogey man they falsely believe him to be. I have no idea what the benchmark for "X is misrepresented as a bigot" to "I, myself, am a bigot" posting is, but I have you clocked at 29 minutes. Thank you for participating! E: Dang It Bhabhi! posted:The guy whose advice for quitting booze is “have a spiritual experience” became addicted to pills and completely botched his recovery at every opportunity? Odd. Is that his actual advice? How the gently caress did he become a psychologist in the first place?
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Colonel Cancer posted:My lobster have u tried lsd This will never be not funny and I chuckle each time I remember the original post.
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I thought having a spiritsual experiment was what boozing was all about!
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Galewolf posted:This will never be not funny and I chuckle each time I remember the original post. it's pretty terrific
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:There is an important facet of Jordan Peterson's life that I feel we must all acknowledge in these trying times. He is a tenured professor at the University of Toronto, and, to my knowledge, he was not tenured on his merits as the "intellectual" face of white supremacy. So he must have done something to earn a doctorate and a professorate. I lack the background to judge the quality of his publications myself, but I have been told by multiple sources that his early work is actually quite good. So what was the field of study at which mr. Peterson excelled, and why is it worth bringing up? Because he earned his doctorate for his work on clinical treatment of addiction. I am curious about the involvement of the daughter in all these, especially the Soviet magic treatment trip. Again, my insane manager was so into that stuff and he literally looked like a sectoid from X-com 2 and smelled like death. He claimed that he visited a Russian bio-healer that cured him when he was working in Russia. The same guy also paid an online fortune teller, which literally sent him 37 pages long copy-pasted templates for 50 USD a pop while not even checking that the last guy's name still in the "reading". I mean, going to Russia for treatment while being a rich and famous Canadian citizen is some massive  . I literally typed "what the hell happened to Jordan Peterson" on Google and directed to a news article which also directed to the video of daughter declaring his father's health situation in lingerie while calling him Jordan, like, wtf?Also, lmao at this interview bit: quote:"What was your dad like as a parent?
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PIZZA.BAT posted:this is a style of rhetoric that i see time to time that drives me up the loving wall and i’m glad that i now have a name for it Here's the first paper I ever saw it mentioned, written by a philosopher back in the early 2000s when postmodernism was still a thing in academia unlike now where it's only a bogeyman for grifters https://philpapers.org/archive/shatvo-2.pdf
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Colonel Cancer posted:My lobster have u tried lsd
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Galewolf posted:Also, lmao at this interview bit: Can you imagine Kermit the Frog asking "Do you love my daughter? Or do you only want to tame her Chaos Dragon?"
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Jorp is talking about you too mr “woke” leftist, not just liberals. lol i know that dumbass. read the room for ten seconds jesus
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Jordan Peterson's roaring car obliterates the side of my living room as I scream in fear. Peterson jumps out the wrecked vehicle with blood streaming around his wild eyes, he pulls out a pistol and points it at my chest "ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH MY DAUGHTER?" he screeches.
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Dreylad posted:Here's the first paper I ever saw it mentioned, written by a philosopher back in the early 2000s when postmodernism was still a thing in academia unlike now where it's only a bogeyman for grifters This is really annoying to read
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Jordan Peterson's roaring car obliterates the side of my living room as I scream in fear. Peterson jumps out the wrecked vehicle with blood streaming around his wild eyes, he pulls out a pistol and points it at my chest "ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH MY DAUGHTER?" he screeches. I nominate you to do his whole biography
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thehandtruck posted:lol i know that dumbass. read the room for ten seconds jesus Lmao another one guys. Tell us more about how he resonates with you.
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When did people start thinking It was ok to like JBP? Lol. He and everyone who likes him is a total joke, not even worthy of debating.
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Its amazing how many men were so poorly raised that some racist saying "washing your rear end and cleaning your room makes you feel good" was all it took for them to become Nazis. Just incredible.
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Heath posted:This is really annoying to read yeah the guy who wrote it is kinda insufferable but that was what the Postmodern Wars did to people in academia. really churned out the deranged professors
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Weka posted:Good news, it's out and it's free. Oh awesome. Another one by the same team that is good as a summary with a whole bunch of linking references is 'Beyond Misinformation: Understanding and Coping with the“Post-Truth” Era'. That is less focused on practical advice, rather it's a summary of ways in which we are increasingly hosed and things contributing to why it is so bad. They eventually get to what is almost an admission that the main use of this research is moving from designing better interventions for misinformation to providing evidence such efforts are futile without massive media and internet reform, justifying why that should be considered a political priority. Who What Now posted:I'm listening to episode one of the Behind the Bastards about Jordan Peterson and both the host and Cody agreed that Jordo is a "great orator" and I am absolutely floored that anyone who isn't deep into his cult can think that. Every speech and video I've seen of him he talks with no force or passion or any kind of emotion that a normal person would be able to identify with. It's one of the things that baffles me most about him, I don't know what others are seeing that I'm not. He certainly isn't going for the Obama brand of public speaking that most people might think of when they hear 'great orator', but he is skilled in what I call 'professorly prattle': a kind of waffling on with a bunch of digressions and at least seemingly clever references and sentence structure/vocabulary, in a way that appears to be off-the-cuff and conversational but gets to the point with appropriate timing and without getting too lost in the weeds. That is its own form of entertainment and very appealing to people who haven't spent much time in academia. Zizek has a similar thing, but obviously filtered through his own weird mannerisms. I used to enjoy Leonard Susskind for basically the same reason even though I have baby tier understanding of theoretical physics. In written form Christopher Hitchens had the same thing going on, and generally with a similar outcome to Peterson where the overall points he is trying to make aren't smart but if you approach it with a sceptical eye you can still find some vaguely stimulating digressions and anecdotes to think about and draw your own conclusions from. Peterson was definitely paying attention to public speaking trends, used them to develop his own style and reaped the reward of it. A paper he co-authored when still in science mode is "Personality and Language use in Self-narratives'. While the paper itself doesn't seem relevant the use of 'self-narratives' immediately makes me think he was an early adopter of the whole 'storytelling' fad that would soon work its way through the public speaking and business world. His crying schtick probably suggests he was riding the whole "vulnerability is powerful' wave as well. He adds an asmr kind of rhythm, well thought out for a guy making use of YouTube. I will give him some credit for occasionally being good at responding to the more clueless liberal commentators he went up against in interviews, mainly because they clearly hadn't engaged with his material so much as angry summaries of it with significant amounts of editorialising. They come at him with accusations greatly overestimating his threat or oversimplifying what he has said and he can easily play at being more reasonable and agreeable than them. That could be easily overcome, but many of the most passionate liberal/left wingers barely have the ability to explain their views let alone convincingly advocate for them to audiences that aren't already on board. He maybe took some insight from the 'Compassionate Liberals and Polite Conservatives: Associations of Agreeableness With Political Ideology and Moral Values' article he contributed to, making sure to play at both polite and compassionate even if the implications of what he is saying are not compassionate. Kind of funny though, that paper almost combines with his own work on personality/intelligence interactions to suggest that conservative political attitudes and values are held by the less intelligent. Maybe that informed the audience he chose to target, assuming he is mainly pursuing a grift rather than being a true crusader for the cause. His choice of audience was certainly informed by Zimbardo's 'Demise of Guys' stuff. Also worth noting: his whole 'chaos dragon' gender stuff is just a straight rip of Camille Paglia.
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I have always thought of Jordan Peterson as a sitcom dad acting out the stock TV sitcom plot where he accidentally is catapulted to fame and popularity over one completely unrepeatable, accidental and gimmicky act and everything has to get back to normal by the time the end credits roll. Jorp was just another misadventure during the period where the combined rightwing grift machine was desperate to find examples of Tumblr Happening In Real Life So The Boomers Will Care. If I recall correctly he was already doing a little self-help side-hustle with his book or something when the Door Gluing Incident happened, and it all just exploded out of control from there.
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Moon Atari posted:He certainly isn't going for the Obama brand of public speaking that most people might think of when they hear 'great orator', but he is skilled in what I call 'professorly prattle': a kind of waffling on with a bunch of digressions and at least seemingly clever references and sentence structure/vocabulary, in a way that appears to be off-the-cuff and conversational but gets to the point with appropriate timing and without getting too lost in the weeds. Are you listening to a different Jordan Peterson because he couldn't get to a point with appropriate timing and without getting too lost in the weeds if you held a gun to his family's heads.
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Moon Atari posted:Oh awesome. Another one by the same team that is good as a summary with a whole bunch of linking references is 'Beyond Misinformation: Understanding and Coping with the“Post-Truth” Era'. That is less focused on practical advice, rather it's a summary of ways in which we are increasingly hosed and things contributing to why it is so bad. They eventually get to what is almost an admission that the main use of this research is moving from designing better interventions for misinformation to providing evidence such efforts are futile without massive media and internet reform, justifying why that should be considered a political priority. Also free. https://research-repository.uwa.edu.au/en/publications/beyond-misinformation-understanding-and-coping-with-the-post-trut How is Jungian psychology regarded in psychology?
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Who What Now posted:Are you listening to a different Jordan Peterson because he couldn't get to a point with appropriate timing and without getting too lost in the weeds if you held a gun to his family's heads. Appropriate timing for his purposes. Maybe needlessly meandering, but it doesn't seem like he is failing to cover all his points in any given speech–something that is incredibly easy to do if you are in conversational mode and which every ted/toastmasters/thesis defender has to put a lot of work and prep into avoiding. Then again, I'm clearly not one for brevity so am probably a bad judge. Don't confuse this with compliments though. I don't want to give him credit, but like with Trump it is worth acknowledging that he has some sort of skill in limited areas that might be worth learning from, even if that success is something he mr. magoo-ed himself into purely by accident. Ben Shapiro is the one who is completely worthless and should by rights be an embarrassment his side would want to sweep under the rug.
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