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amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Just watched the new ep and I love it! The DT crew really went all out with this one, and you can tell they really want a Darkwing series down the line. Some thoughts on Let's Get Dangerous:

- The casting for Taurus Bulba's voice is loving perfect. He sounds plenty charismatic as a regular guy, yet still sounds affably intimidating when he's doing supervillain poo poo.
- Holy hell at Bulba's size though. Launchpad is already taller than most of the ducks, and Bulba dwarfs him. Dude is just one massive tank.
- It's absolutely hilarious that Fenton supplied all of Drake's technology and even calls him with the Gizmoduck UI on his screen, but Drake never puts two and two together. Launchpad and Dewey's awkward look at each other when Drake says that Fenton must hate Gizmoduck really sells the joke.
- Does this mean Bonkers is going to be a main cast member in the Darkwing reboot since he works at St. Canard?
- I really liked that poignant moment when Gosalyn told them about wanting to solve the mystery behind a missing relative, Dewey instantly believed in her and wanted to be her Webby. :3:
- The family dynamic between Drake, Gosalyn and Launchpad has been established and I can't wait to see more. Drake and Launchpad being so in-sync with their nerdery during the final battle was adorable.
- In the scene of Gosalyn looking over other dimensions, I'm surprised they didn't add a screen from Gravity Falls or Amphibia's worlds.
- So there's just a perfectly good Quackerjack mecha sitting somewhere in St. Canard that's just waiting for an enterprising villain to steal it, huh?
- No Little Girl Blue or Gosalyn getting adopted, huh? I figure they're saving that emotional beat for the actual Darkwing reboot.

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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice

amigolupus posted:

- No Little Girl Blue or Gosalyn getting adopted, huh?

Was that not what she was humming as she tucked Darkwing in on the couch?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
I'd expect Bonkers to remain as a cameo or guest appearance since he wouldn't have his supporting cast given the nature of his show vs. Ducktales.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

maltesh posted:

They're the son and grandchildren of Scrooge's younger sister, Hortense, who married into the Duck family.

Notably Donald gets his temper from both of his parents(in fact that's how they fell for each other, they argued when they met and it was love at first fight)

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

drrockso20 posted:

Notably Donald gets his temper from both of his parents(in fact that's how they fell for each other, they argued when they met and it was love at first fight)

The temper of a man who went through life with the name "Quackmore" is not one to be underestimated.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Funky Valentine posted:

The temper of a man who went through life with the name "Quackmore" is not one to be underestimated.

Hortense's temper routed Theodore Roosevelt's Rough Riders that one time.
One has to wonder not how Donald has his temper, but how it's not so all consuming all things considered.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Omobono posted:

Hortense's temper routed Theodore Roosevelt's Rough Riders that one time.
One has to wonder not how Donald has his temper, but how it's not so all consuming all things considered.

He is established to have been getting anger management therapy for a decade.

Interesting that Huey's the one who's inherited the explosive rage, though he isn't triggered as easily as his uncle. Specifically what sets him off seems to be his hard work being invalidated, rather than just any general setback, and thankfully he doesn't have Donald's luck.

Also, the implication that Owlson has almost completely eliminated crime in St Canard through good governance rather than violence is especially on point nowadays. Having a costumed weirdo (but again, exactly one) on hand to deal with things out of context seems smart in the universe she lives in.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Ghost Leviathan posted:

He is established to have been getting anger management therapy for a decade.

Interesting that Huey's the one who's inherited the explosive rage, though he isn't triggered as easily as his uncle. Specifically what sets him off seems to be his hard work being invalidated, rather than just any general setback, and thankfully he doesn't have Donald's luck.

Also, the implication that Owlson has almost completely eliminated crime in St Canard through good governance rather than violence is especially on point nowadays. Having a costumed weirdo (but again, exactly one) on hand to deal with things out of context seems smart in the universe she lives in.

Just like old school Darkwing was a pastiche on 90s Batman, there’s a lot of Dark Knight Trilogy in modern Darkwing, and a big argument of those movies, or at least The Dark Knight itself was that super villains existed in Gotham because Batman existed in Gotham. I can easily see them doing a sillier take on that where because Darkwing Duck is now a known commodity in St. Canard as a super hero, it’s going to inspire all sorts of super villains to come out of the woodwork to try and challenge him... with the knock on effect of driving Owlson absolutely insane because she reformed St. Canard without violence and now Drake, Gosalyn, and Lunchpad are gonna gently caress it all up.

Because Owlson was put on this earth to suffer increasingly stupider sleights.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

nine-gear crow posted:


Because Owlson was put on this earth to suffer increasingly stupider sleights.

She suffers for our sins entertainment.

pnumoman
Sep 26, 2008

I never get the last word, and it makes me very sad.

nine-gear crow posted:

Because Owlson was put on this earth to suffer increasingly stupider sleights.

As a politician doing actual good, yeah, sounds about right, even in a cartoon.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Ghost Leviathan posted:

He is established to have been getting anger management therapy for a decade.

Interesting that Huey's the one who's inherited the explosive rage, though he isn't triggered as easily as his uncle. Specifically what sets him off seems to be his hard work being invalidated, rather than just any general setback, and thankfully he doesn't have Donald's luck.

Also, the implication that Owlson has almost completely eliminated crime in St Canard through good governance rather than violence is especially on point nowadays. Having a costumed weirdo (but again, exactly one) on hand to deal with things out of context seems smart in the universe she lives in.

Owlson is smart enough to realize that she lives in a reality where sometimes logic simply doesn't work. Rather than trying to fight against the ridiculousness that surrounds her she's simply come to terms with it and has decided to incorporate a way to deal with it into her governing plan. There's a lot of good you can do through non-violent social reform, but in the Ducktales universe occasionally you're going to have to deal with giant robots or a plant monster or some other form of super villain nonsense and when that happens it's good to have a dude in a purple cape around to help take care of that for you (but just the one, you only need one).

Owlson is one of my favorite side characters, and that's saying something because this show has some great side characters.

Andrew_1985
Sep 18, 2007
Hay hay hay!
I was delighted to see Tahani from the Good Place is Darkwing’s computer. In fact it was all a delight.

But yeah, let Webby’s crew and Goslyn meet.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Andrew_1985 posted:

I was delighted to see Tahani from the Good Place is Darkwing’s computer. In fact it was all a delight.

But yeah, let Webby’s crew and Goslyn meet.

Also Gandra Dee's voice!

I hope said meeting is a no-holds-barred drag-out knock-down fight.

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Also Gandra Dee's voice!

I hope said meeting is a no-holds-barred drag-out knock-down fight.

I don't really see that. Lena and Violet are both pretty chill and Webby's instinct with Gabby would likely involve hugs. I will say that I'm looking forward to Darkwing and Gizmoduck finally meeting with Lena and Penumbra to form the core of the Duckvengers.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Everyone posted:

I don't really see that. Lena and Violet are both pretty chill and Webby's instinct with Gabby would likely involve hugs. I will say that I'm looking forward to Darkwing and Gizmoduck finally meeting with Lena and Penumbra to form the core of the Duckvengers.

Don't forget BOYD!

I mean more because those two little duck girls having a brutal drawn out fight would probably be fun to watch.

Does remind me; Darkwing and Launchpad mention among the episodes of the in-universe Darkwing Duck show was a version of Just Us Justice Ducks, which was a crossover episode... though who was it a crossover with? Since Gizmoduck is a real and contemporary person in this setting.

maltesh
May 20, 2004

Uncle Ben: Still Dead.
Probably Morgana, Neptunia, and Stegmund...


But maybe these guys are an option:
https://d23.com/disney-afternoon-justice-ducks/

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice

Stegmutt*

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

I certainly hope they wouldn't waste Neptunia, Stegmutt, and Neptunia as fictional characters in lieu of actually using them in the show, if a spinoff got greenlit.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Nodosaur posted:

I certainly hope they wouldn't waste Neptunia, Stegmutt, and Neptunia as fictional characters in lieu of actually using them in the show, if a spinoff got greenlit.

I forget, did any of those characters actually appear anywhere outside of said two parter (I want to say Morgana did at least but I'm not completely sure).

maltesh
May 20, 2004

Uncle Ben: Still Dead.
Just Us Justice Ducks isn't the first appearance of any of the characters (in the intended viewing order, anyway. Splitting between Disney Afternoon Syndication and ABC's Saturday Morning Lineup caused some continuity issues).

Morgana Macawber appears in seven episodes besides the two-parter, Stegmutt in two, and Neptunia in one.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Owlson is smart enough to realize that she lives in a reality where sometimes logic simply doesn't work. Rather than trying to fight against the ridiculousness that surrounds her she's simply come to terms with it and has decided to incorporate a way to deal with it into her governing plan. There's a lot of good you can do through non-violent social reform, but in the Ducktales universe occasionally you're going to have to deal with giant robots or a plant monster or some other form of super villain nonsense and when that happens it's good to have a dude in a purple cape around to help take care of that for you (but just the one, you only need one).

Owlson is one of my favorite side characters, and that's saying something because this show has some great side characters.

Might be something Owlson could learn from Scrooge; he made the majority of his money through relatively conventional business, and spends most of his time managing that, and initially the whole point of Bradford Buzzard and the board of directors is to keep him focused on the basics- but he actively employs Gyro and Fenton and is open to seeing what their inventions could be useful for, and funds Gizmoduck as a result of such. (In fact, seems likely that Gizmoduck would be the precedent for Owlson to endorse Darkwing, since St Canard lacks its own superhero besides borrowing him)

Also, seems like they're doing the Gotham-Metropolis thing with Duckburg and St Canard. (Being basically Manhattan and New Jersey)

tribbledirigible
Jul 27, 2004
I finally beat the internet. The end boss was hard.

New ep is available on DisneyNOW.

If this season wasn't already firing on all cylinders from last week's DW ep, it certainly is now.

Some things that I stood out:

-Use of negative space. Someone took some notes on Moon Knight art.

-Maximilian reference

-Motherfucking pogo jump!

-Mrs. Beakley acting hella guilty, and Donald seems to know something about it with the grimace he made.

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

tribbledirigible posted:

-Mrs. Beakley acting hella guilty, and Donald seems to know something about it with the grimace he made.

Maybe I need to do a rewatch, but really that all struck me as stuff from within the episode. Donald understood that Beakley had gone a little 'round the bend' with her training exercise to the point of abusing the kids and enough was enough. And Beakley certainly did feel guilty for, well, basically doing child abuse in the name of protecting the children.

I admit that I really like that on this show any character can badly gently caress up at any time.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I'm just going to say how happy I am that Marc Evan Jackson got to monologue in this episode.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
I'm loving Bradford now that's he no longer needs to hide.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
I kinda wonder what's up with the other two Buzzards. Bradford is the chairman, so of course he has the most to say, but the show is kinda acting like those two don't exist at all.
What's the point of a three-headed high command if one person is effectively in charge?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

cant cook creole bream posted:

I kinda wonder what's up with the other two Buzzards. Bradford is the chairman, so of course he has the most to say, but the show is kinda acting like those two don't exist at all.
What's the point of a three-headed high command if one person is effectively in charge?

It should have been Bradford and two of the Darkwing Duck FOWL High Commanders. Hell one of the three FOWL leaders from DW even looked a bit like Bradford. But then again having Bradford alone helps him be a stronger villain presence.

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

cant cook creole bream posted:

I kinda wonder what's up with the other two Buzzards. Bradford is the chairman, so of course he has the most to say, but the show is kinda acting like those two don't exist at all.
What's the point of a three-headed high command if one person is effectively in charge?

My own wild-rear end guess:

The other two are disguised clones of Bradford. He uses them to put in a "personal appearence" when he's busy doing other poo poo.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
The bird pun author names for those gravity books.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~
Has Donald's anger ever actually achieved anything? I haven't watched season one since it aired, but I recall finding his displays of anger kind of underwhelming there, and nothing stood out in season two or three after watching them over the past week or so either. It makes him feel kind of pointless compared to everyone else in the cast, at least on adventures, since Scrooge, Launchpad, Della, Ms Beakley and Webby are all really competent fighters, who contribute in combat regularly (at least, when they are there in Ms. Beakley's case), but despite the show constantly talking about how great Donald's anger is and how strong he is as a fighter when he's angry I don't recall him ever actually accomplishing anything when he's angry. Generally he gets steaming mad, runs at someone, makes a blurry circle as he spins around them for a few seconds and is then pushed away in some manner, before deflating and losing all threat. His role seems to be more as a good parent, but even that's kind of a obfuscated because Scrooge is generally a good parental figure as well as skilled fighter, and is along on pretty much every adventure. Donald just seems kind of redundant despite how much the show says he isn't.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



tsob posted:

Has Donald's anger ever actually achieved anything? I haven't watched season one since it aired, but I recall finding his displays of anger kind of underwhelming there, and nothing stood out in season two or three after watching them over the past week or so either. It makes him feel kind of pointless compared to everyone else in the cast, at least on adventures, since Scrooge, Launchpad, Della, Ms Beakley and Webby are all really competent fighters, who contribute in combat regularly (at least, when they are there in Ms. Beakley's case), but despite the show constantly talking about how great Donald's anger is and how strong he is as a fighter when he's angry I don't recall him ever actually accomplishing anything when he's angry. Generally he gets steaming mad, runs at someone, makes a blurry circle as he spins around them for a few seconds and is then pushed away in some manner, before deflating and losing all threat. His role seems to be more as a good parent, but even that's kind of a obfuscated because Scrooge is generally a good parental figure as well as skilled fighter, and is along on pretty much every adventure. Donald just seems kind of redundant despite how much the show says he isn't.

COunterpoint. A: s1 against the Beagles at Funzo. B. s1 At the casino where his luck is utter poo poo, it's his pure rage that puts him ahead of that smug dick Gladstone. C. s1 Shadow War. Raging Donald with Don Cheadle Voice took down shadow gizmoduck.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

plus he's taken by far the most physical punishment of any character and is still not a small pile of broken bones and feathers

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
donald's anger entertains me and that is the point

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

bunnyofdoom posted:

COunterpoint. A: s1 against the Beagles at Funzo. B. s1 At the casino where his luck is utter poo poo, it's his pure rage that puts him ahead of that smug dick Gladstone. C. s1 Shadow War. Raging Donald with Don Cheadle Voice took down shadow gizmoduck.

That last one can’t be stated enough. We see the start of it, and the end of it, but Donald completely obliterated the Gizmoduck suit with nothing but his bare hands. To say nothing of all the other villain and hero shadows he had to fight through just to get to Fenton’s shadow in the Gizmoduck armour.

Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!
Donald's anger helped him get off the Planet Moon...

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Just wait until Donald starts casting magic.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

bunnyofdoom posted:

COunterpoint. A: s1 against the Beagles at Funzo. B. s1 At the casino where his luck is utter poo poo, it's his pure rage that puts him ahead of that smug dick Gladstone. C. s1 Shadow War. Raging Donald with Don Cheadle Voice took down shadow gizmoduck.

I'll have to re-watch season one at some point so, since it seems like the show gives him more prominence then even if I don't remember it that way.

Bleck posted:

donald's anger entertains me and that is the point

Is it? A large part of the appeal of Ducktales is in the show's writing and character development, and it feels like Donald is just kind of superfluous at this point because Della has the same general "angry fight" thing going, but she's around a lot more since mid-season two, can actually fight without being angry and also talks normally all the time to boot. She's even learning to be a good parent as part of her character development, where Donald's only real development in 2 seasons has been to be more accepting of his families eccentricities and lifestyle. Donald was shuffled out of the show for a large chunk of season two, and not only did the cast not notice or care but the show wasn't even diminished in any way by his absence. He didn't even meaningfully contribute to the finale once everyone did find him again, and his only real contribution was having a slapfight for a few seconds with Della over who should control the spaceship.

Senerio posted:

Donald's anger helped him get off the Planet Moon...

I don't think it did. He charged Lunaris, ran around him in a blur for a few seconds, got pushed back, immediately lost all steam, was hit when he tried to attack again and just ran for the launch craft instead of trying to fight Lunaris. After which directed determination got him through, rather than blind anger. His anger didn't actually get him anything or put him in a better position than he had been prior to losing his cool, beyond breaking the lock on his beak I suppose, and he had to run for it afterwards anyway.

TVs Ian
Jun 1, 2000

Such graceful, delicate creatures.

Electric Phantasm posted:

Just wait until Donald starts casting magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMzfX88ZmTw

He is one of like, three characters in the Square-Enix universe to be able to cast this one.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
I’m only halfway through S1 but one of the things I absolute adore about this show is just how respectful they are towards Donald. The writers treat him as much more than a silly slapstick character (although there’s a lot of that too, because, well, Donald is Donald) and as a Don Rosa fan it’s very endearing to me.

His very clear concern for his nephews well-being is very moving to me.

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tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~
I've no pre-existing feelings for any of the characters, because I didn't see much of Ducktales growing up and never read any of the comics, but Donald is the only character I feel like the show doesn't service all that well. I can't think of any other characters that are short changed, and think the show does a pretty stellar job with every other character. Which just makes it's treatment of Donald stand out more, especially when the show spends a fair bit of time talking about how great he is without actually backing it up. The one thing he is is a good parental figure, but the story doesn't concentrate on it so it doesn't really feel like it gives that any weight.

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