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Why is the xenophobic paranoid Earth government who knows that the Starfleet ship which is 900 years old and who's crew are clearly lying about who they are they are and how they arrived so willing to give them a pass?
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Oct 30, 2020 19:51
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Everyone loves Saru as he is the only one in the show who talks like a Star Trek character.
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Oct 30, 2020 19:51
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Alchenar posted:Why is the xenophobic paranoid Earth government who knows that the Starfleet ship which is 900 years old and who's crew are clearly lying about who they are they are and how they arrived so willing to give them a pass? Because Discovery did the future equivalent of beaming down to Jerusalem and hashing out that whole Israel/Palestine thing with ten minutes of dialogue.
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Oct 30, 2020 20:05
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Super Deuce posted:Hair seems to grow very fast in a year in space. This is the silliest thing to say because they could basically instantly grow a head of hair in every Trek series and also maybe she is wearing a loving weave there are 99999 possible explanations
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Oct 30, 2020 20:16
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Ramadu posted:Discovery shoulda picked up a dilithium recrystallizer imo they've still got the one they used to charge the time crystal.
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Oct 30, 2020 20:19
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Strong Convections posted:Even without the reptile transformation, the concept of warp 10 - being everywhere in the universe simultaneously - is a worse idea. I think if I was doing that episode I would've made the problem something more like: They can go Warp 10 but it's basically impossible to stop in the place where they want to. So they manage to get lost for a while and then BS a solution to get back to Voyager at least.
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Oct 30, 2020 20:20
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Brute Squad posted:they've still got the one they used to charge the time crystal. does it work on j/o crystals? Asking for a friend with a time machine
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Oct 30, 2020 20:21
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HD DAD posted:Next week’s episode looks really good. I’m phone posting, but judging by the preview clip and the sneak peak released, it seems the A-plot will be Michael and Adira visiting Trill and seeing if they can awaken her memories, and the B-plot appears to be Culber trying to figure out ways to treat the crew’s distress of being stranded. From the preview, this seems to involve a movie night lol. Hmmmmmmmmmm that actually sounds not bad. I am getting increasingly concerned that this show (which I have not watched a second of season 3 of) may actually become good and I will have to watch it.
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Oct 30, 2020 20:56
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I like to think that in the Ferengi language, a phrase sounding like "hew mon" is some kind of curse word or pejorative, and it just so happens to be close enough to the English word "human" that some of them delightfully make the substitution. Hell, it probably means something like "a child who is too worried about morality and not concerned enough about profit."
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Oct 30, 2020 21:01
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piratepilates posted:Hmmmmmmmmmm that actually sounds not bad. I am getting increasingly concerned that this show (which I have not watched a second of season 3 of) may actually become good and I will have to watch it. It's pretty okay so far, but so was S2 at this point and then Control happened. I'm reserving judgement until it's over.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:03
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The Bloop posted:does it work on j/o crystals? Asking for a friend with a time machine it'll need to be modified. reverse the phases. add a couple gndn conduit attachment points. install some more blinking lights.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:06
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Grand Fromage posted:It's pretty okay so far, but so was S2 at this point and then Control happened. I'm reserving judgement until it's over. I’m hoping not having production drama this time around keeps things on an even keel, but yeah still same lurking worry the season will swan dive out of nowhere.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:08
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So uh, can we talk about how Nickelodeon is doing a Star Trek series that is just Space Cases? They already have an identical property that they could just reboot and decided to slap a Star Trek sticker on it anyway. My main problem with all of the new Trek, Picard and Discovery is that it's a cool idea for a space show that didn't need to be a Star Trek. There must be a line of screenwriters around the block at Paramount that are just like, "Hey, I wrote this thing but I'm not sure it's good, can I call it Star Trek?" It's basically just Lord of the Rings: Warhammer 40k and Lord of the Rings: Game of Thrones.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:16
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Ya but it has Janeway
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Oct 30, 2020 21:22
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feedmyleg posted:Ya but it has Janeway Space Cases had George Takei and Mark Hamill.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:29
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Spanish Matlock posted:So uh, can we talk about how Nickelodeon is doing a Star Trek series that is just Space Cases? We know the name, logo, and a single sentence pitch about Star Trek Prodigy Lets not get our yamoks in a knot before we have some more information. Having a Trek aimed at a younger audience seems like an entirely good thing to me, in theory.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:33
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The Bloop posted:We know the name, logo, and a single sentence pitch about Star Trek Prodigy In theory, communism works....
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Oct 30, 2020 21:38
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tarlibone posted:In theory, communism works.... don't threaten me with a good time
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Oct 30, 2020 21:39
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The Bloop posted:We know the name, logo, and a single sentence pitch about Star Trek Prodigy Snow Cone Capone posted:As it is explicitly a kids' show, my faint glimmer of hope is that it pushes more of a "how do we mature and rise to the occasion like Starfleet people would" angle. Like, "we don't have Starfleet training, so we have to learn and grow (like kids), we can't Action Hero our way out of this" or whatever, Still hoping for this tbh
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Oct 30, 2020 21:41
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https://twitter.com/JhonenV/status/1322292369073451008?s=20
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Oct 30, 2020 23:05
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holy poo poo, that's a name from my distant murky past. e: the rest of that twitter thread is really stupid.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:36
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I still think poo poo like this is condescending and lovely.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:39
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I dont mind a show deciding to go all Doctor Who as long as they properly commit to it.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:45
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I still think poo poo like this is condescending and lovely. It's a noticable and notable feature of the writing. I suspect it's in the character bible because they had the idea of a human raised by vulcans and what that would be like but they don't really explore it, they just flood the show with largely unearthed pathos It's not a knock on the actors or even the characters really, the writers just want us to feel stuff by proxy without actually giving us enough character to feel it ourselves It's poorly implemented and excessive
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Oct 30, 2020 23:46
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I still think poo poo like this is condescending and lovely. I do too. Yeah, Discovery can get a little melodramatic, but I think one of the things it does right is make its crew seem like actual people. And they’re not enlightened 24th century Starfleet either. As someone pointed out earlier, Disco’s crew was hand-picked by Lorca to basically be a team of misfits. So yeah, they’re flawed people thrown into traumatizing situations, and they act pretty drat accordingly.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:48
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Kind of want.Big Mean Jerk posted:I still think poo poo like this is condescending and lovely.
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Oct 31, 2020 00:01
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Arquinsiel posted:Kind of want. I mean his original claim to fame was a comic series in which "and then everyone gets brutally tortured/murdered" was in every story, so the bar is pretty low overall. I liked his stuff but I guess he hasn't really grown up since uhhh 25 years ago?
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Oct 31, 2020 00:06
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The Bloop posted:It's a noticable and notable feature of the writing. I'm not a huge fan of Michael's role in the show, but I feel like the overall trajectory of the character so far actually does actually show her moving from a raised-by-Vulcans human to someone getting in touch with their emotions, in a pretty consistent way. Aside from the repetitive melodramatic crying scenes, she has shown emotional growth in more subtle and casual ways. The Bloop posted:We know the name, logo, and a single sentence pitch about Star Trek Prodigy They've released more info since then, including that Janeway is going to appear in some reoccurring role.
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Oct 31, 2020 00:12
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HD DAD posted:I do too. Where is this misfits thing coming from?
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Oct 31, 2020 00:14
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I mean his original claim to fame was a comic series in which "and then everyone gets brutally tortured/murdered" was in every story, so the bar is pretty low overall. I liked his stuff but I guess he hasn't really grown up since uhhh 25 years ago?
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Oct 31, 2020 00:24
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Ramadu posted:Where is this misfits thing coming from? It’s a somewhat charitable reading of everything that happens in season 1, which season 2 openly ran with. We’re shown Lorca picking his crew, sometimes choosing quite odd and seemingly unsuitable people (Stamets is a thoroughly unprofessional civilian researcher, Tilly is Tilly, Michael is a convicted mutineer, Saru is genetically engineered to be the Cowardly Lion, the security chief is a nefarious moron). All of this would be pretty odd if he were looking for the best and brightest; it makes more sense when he’s revealed to be a dimension-hopping fascist psychopath. If you were trying to hide your true horrifying identity from your subordinates, wouldn’t you rather be surrounded by idiots, wimps, and losers than by the competent? For just season 1 I think this is a somewhat charitable reading, and it is more likely that the crew was full of fuckups because the show itself was hosed up. But then the next season they bring Pike on to captain the USS Charity Case and he all but says, “I get that Lorca was deliberately taking advantage of you guys so I’m not gonna do that.”
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Oct 31, 2020 00:29
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Lorca was definitely building a crew that he could manipulate like Tyler, Burnham, and Landry, or are too cowardly and frightened to disobey him. When fear and intimidation didn't work for Stamets, he tried to appeal to his love of science and discovery. I don't think they're really misfits or that different from starfleet characters in other shows. The only character who really cries is Michael and she justifiably went through an emotional roller coaster in the two seasons.
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Oct 31, 2020 00:45
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Alchenar posted:Why is the xenophobic paranoid Earth government who knows that the Starfleet ship which is 900 years old and who's crew are clearly lying about who they are they are and how they arrived so willing to give them a pass? They investigated the ship top to bottom and would have quickly learned that if Discovery started anything they could destroy it in 2 seconds flat.
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Oct 31, 2020 01:20
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I just realized that this era post-dates the time period where the Federation had TIME SHIPS. You'd think they'd scrape together enough dilithium to maybe stop the death of millions but idk
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Oct 31, 2020 01:51
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I just realized that this era post-dates the time period where the Federation had TIME SHIPS. You'd think they'd scrape together enough dilithium to maybe stop the death of millions but idk Nah, you see they totally banned time travel and everyone, yes EVERYONE, even those with time crystals or totally bad evil gangs, never used it again. The Suluban made a mistake in going back in time, should have went forward
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Oct 31, 2020 02:28
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Spanish Matlock posted:So uh, can we talk about how Nickelodeon is doing a Star Trek series that is just Space Cases? Mind you, this problem isn't unique to Trek; it's endemic to the entire drat culture. I find myself thinking a lot about the fifth and final part of Jon Bois and Felix Biederman's Youtube documentary on MMA, Fighting in the Age of Loneliness, and the discussion of how the UFC's quest for the markers of mainstream legitimacy in the 2010s and achieved them "to the detriment of the viewers, the fighters, and ultimately themselves". At the end of the video, Biederman describes how the sport has ceased to be a refuge for weirdos and nonconformists and become monetized and engineered into something as formless and meaningless as the rest of the world around it. And damned if that isn't how I feel about modern Trek. It's just yet another thing to watch; its historical legacy and "optimism" and liberal humanism and whatever are just features that can be added or removed as needed, but which don't really matter in and of themselves. At this point I honestly wish Trek had died in 2004 and just stayed dead. Being a memory is far better than the formless unlife we have these days.
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Oct 31, 2020 02:41
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The time travel stuff can be written around if anyone in the staff cares about that plot point enough. Just say the Burn also affects time travel. You can travel in, but not out. As the Burn approached most people suspected that something would happen soon, but since no one could send information back in time from that point, so the cause and exact time were unknown so there was no way to prevent it. Or a million other  reasons. I'm choosing to ignore anything that's fantasy science because if you try to point out plot holes from then all of Star Trek is complete rear end. Time travel in Star Trek is the same as Superman, and that's the silliest time travel there is.
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Oct 31, 2020 02:43
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The future timeship Starfleet was dumb and I'm completely fine with them handwaving it away so as to not deal with it. That's the kind of thing you make up when you're not expecting to ever actually set a show in that era.
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The Bloop posted:It's a noticable and notable feature of the writing. I think unearned pathos helps wrap up my problems with the show. Like Michael looked lovingly at her console last episode but all I was wondering is how long did she even spend there? Like are there even more like 2-3 scenes of her there or interacting with it at all? The entire show/crew acts like it's season 6 and these people have done a bunch together on screen when they really haven't and it feels weird.
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