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Both the movie and book were among my favourites as a child. Soothing-voiced spider lady sets a very high bar for friendship. Although her and Wilbur's relationship fits into the same thing as my interpretation (posted waaaaay upthread or maybe in the last one) of the Ralph/Vanellope relationship: that even though they call each other friend its thematic purpose is to replicate a parent/child dynamic. Charlotte's Web is probably the best execution of what a lot of children's media used to aim to do–introduce the concept of and get children comfortable with death. While most kid's movies focus on the "parent's sudden death while you are still young" angle (maybe intentionally targeted towards kids who have experienced that exact scenario), Charlotte casts a wider web: the passage of time and aging eventually means that death is not a tragic accident or injustice but rather an inevitability for everyone, even you. Its solutions to that existential terror also go beyond the norm: that there is beauty in impermanence, that change and growth involve losing treasured things but gaining new joys, that the death of one thing is necessary for the life of another, and that using your life to improve (or create/give) another's grants it meaning beyond its limited span. I think most modern childrens media isn't even really using its sudden tragic deaths to teach valuable lessons, mainly using parent's death as a way to make the protagonist more of an individual/special or fridging characters as motivation for the protagonist. Or in a lot of cases seems to be thematically purposeless–simply providing a cheap emotional hook, being to sadness as jump scares are to fear. Going back to what people were talking about earlier, I think that is probably a result of the increasingly commercial development process, true of all companies but especially obvious in the case of Disney–where any production is put under the commerical burden of pleasing the shareholders of a company with an economic value and impact larger than that of many nations (or for the other companies–staying viable in a market dominated by such an entity). Whereas Charlotte's Web illustrates that animation wasn't always as commercialised. Its story was created in book form and the movie presents it as is with no changes to increase its sales potential or appeal beyond adding songs. As a book first it had the benefit of a far smaller production cost to profit ratio, creating less pressure that could influence the creative choices, as well as shielding it from the demands and input of non-creative contributors. Finally, even when made into a movie it had no merchandising tie-ins or IP extension ambitions (although several decades later a different production company released a direct to video sequel and later on yet another released a live-action/cg remake and video game tie-in). Alternatively, rather than being a commercial change it is down to a cultural/psychological change. Teaching children to accept death requires adults who have themselves accepted death. There are less of those now, as well as less acceptance even of aging. Certainly, the "value other's lives so much you aren't consumed with fears about your own" message is less likely to be held or sell in an as individualised and self-centred culture as now exists. But that cultural shift in how death is viewed is better argued for in Barbara Ehrenreich's 'Natural Causes' than I can manage while wasting time purposelessly blabbering about a cartoon I liked as a kid. Moon Atari fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 13:32
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1322847601729982465?s=19
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I feel like if you come up with a scam this elaborate and hilarious you should get to keep the money and go free. At a certain point you've earned it, and they absolutely earned it at "fake genie".
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Nov 1, 2020 12:39
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I feel like if you come up with a scam this elaborate and hilarious you should get to keep the money and go free. They've managed to pull off this scam multiple times. Maybe India needs to run an ad campaign on how to spot a fake genie.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I feel like if you come up with a scam this elaborate and hilarious you should get to keep the money and go free. yea, 'we sold a junk lamp to a gullible guy' is one thing but when you commit to the bit hard enough to make a fake genie to go 'yea man this is totally Aladdin's lamp' you get to keep the money.
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I'd pay good money for a lamp that summons a genie, even one that doesn't grant wishes. Probably not $93,000, but in the hundreds for sure.
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Over The Moon was fine. Unfortunately the plot was kind off shallow. But the music and the super luminescent world was fun. This is most definitely the most colorful movie I've seen in a while.
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Nov 1, 2020 23:20
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I’m watching Ralph Breaks the Internet I’ll report back if there’s any good parts
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And there goes Hedrigall's last ever post in this thread :P
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I can't really remember Ralph Breaks the Internet, except I think I liked the design of the basement virus guy, and the viruses. But I can't picture them in my mind right now, I just remember that I liked them at the time while hating everything else.
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Hedrigall posted:I’m watching Ralph Breaks the Internet I can't believe this was their last post in the forums.
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I liked the original Wreck-it-Ralph, so I've decided never watching Ralph Breaks the Internet is probably a good idea. You ever watch a trailer and feel a little embarrassed for everyone involved? The trailer for Ralph Breaks the Internet gave that feeling HARD.
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Nov 2, 2020 06:22
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I also like WIR.
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Ralph goes to the Internet is meh Half or more of the references are already dated. Who the gently caress remembers chewbacca mom? What are kids watching this in 2025 or 2030 going to think about any of this crap I still like these characters but I hate this adventure they’re on. WIR is a modern classic but this is bad The song Vanellope sings about the Grand Theft Auto-like game is the only good part
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Moon Atari posted:Both the movie and book were among my favourites as a child. Soothing-voiced spider lady sets a very high bar for friendship. Although her and Wilbur's relationship fits into the same thing as my interpretation (posted waaaaay upthread or maybe in the last one) of the Ralph/Vanellope relationship: that even though they call each other friend its thematic purpose is to replicate a parent/child dynamic. I really hope that Charlotte's Web 1973 gets a HD remaster for the 50th anniversary.
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When Vanellope visits Oh My Disney I see so many movies I’d rather be watching walk past in the background And then the princesses showcase all the merchandise you can buy Hedrigall fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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Nov 2, 2020 07:57
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:You ever watch a trailer and feel a little embarrassed for everyone involved? The trailer for Ralph Breaks the Internet gave that feeling HARD. What a load of crap.
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Nov 2, 2020 08:05
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I can’t stress how much I love the new Jack Stauber short produces by Adult Swim. https://youtu.be/-1pVLJl_snc
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~Coxy posted:I really hope that Charlotte's Web 1973 gets a HD remaster for the 50th anniversary. It was produced by Hanna-Barbera and Sagittarius Productions so licensing/ownership issues might be complicated. Hanna-Barbera was absorbed by Time Warner and who knows what happened to Sagittarius. Paramount was original distributor and seems to still have some ownership of the property, releasing both the direct to dvd sequel and live action adaptation, but the 2006 live action version was made under the auspices of being an adaptation of the original book rather than a remake of the 1973 film (despite being far looser with the source material than the original movie). It is unclear whether they would have full control over or make enough of the profit from a re-release for them to give it the treatment it deserves. Their DVD release seems to be of the low effort clearance bin variety, with cover art looking like one of those off-brand knockoffs of more popular products used to trick people. My other Charlotte's Web related thought: George Miller wrote, produced and directed or co-directed both Babe and Happy Feet. Babe is based on its own book but definitely seems to take some inspiration from Charlotte's Web beyond just the animal it focuses on, including things like the pig demonstrating value to its owner through the actions of other animals it befriends and culminating in receiving an award that ensures it won't be killed. Happy Feet seems to take some degree of inspiration from another E.B White book 'The Trumpet of the Swan', about a swan born mute and as such unable to attract a mate until he learns to play the trumpet and use songs to compensate. I've never heard Miller acknowledging any inspiration from E.B White though, or even many people making this connection. Maybe just a coincidence, but I wonder if he would have made a Stuart Little inspired kid's movie if that hadn't already been covered.
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Hedrigall posted:When Vanellope visits Oh My Disney I see so many movies I’d rather be watching walk past in the background I wish there was a word for the feeling you get when you're watching something bad or mediocre and they make a reference to a better movie or tv show and you think "wow, I really wish I was watching that much better thing instead".
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Kart Barfunkel posted:I can’t stress how much I love the new Jack Stauber short produces by Adult Swim. So good. I need a full version of Why Does It Sound So Easy To Breathe.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I wish there was a word for the feeling you get when you're watching something bad or mediocre and they make a reference to a better movie or tv show and you think "wow, I really wish I was watching that much better thing instead". Just mash a bunch of random German words together, and you’ll be on the right track
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Regalingualius posted:Just mash a bunch of random German words together, and you’ll be on the right track Schadestrudellaufenfreudeschmetterling.
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Darth TNT posted:Schadestrudellaufenfreudeschmetterling. Close, but that's actually the feeling you get when you spot something beautiful and pure in the world and are reminded of hope and joy but quickly run away and shamefully eat a whole pastry instead. It's a related concept.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I wish there was a word for the feeling you get when you're watching something bad or mediocre and they make a reference to a better movie or tv show and you think "wow, I really wish I was watching that much better thing instead". Showdenfreude.
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Nov 2, 2020 23:53
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The unmade John and Faith Hubley and/or Gene Deitch version of Charlotte's web sounded cool! https://www.awn.com/animationworld/charlottes-tangled-web
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TV animation instead of feature, but a quick reminder that Primal fuckin' rocks and everyone should watch it.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:TV animation instead of feature, but a quick reminder that Primal fuckin' rocks and everyone should watch it. I like it, but the last 3 episodes have been pretty silly, even more so than the general premise I mean.
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https://twitter.com/XiranJayZhao/status/1323439566057959424
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Fine, fine Ill make my family watch it.
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Okay, yeah, movie is actually great!
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I liked the original Wreck-it-Ralph, so I've decided never watching Ralph Breaks the Internet is probably a good idea. This is a very good way of putting it. Disney, you're powerful enough that you can get away with being masturbatory once in a while, but there is a god drat limit.
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The princess team up at the end was everything I wanted out of Kingdom Hearts 3 though
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Finally finished Over the Moon, what an absolute mess of a film. Just, so so many things happen because its needed and the plot has to act like it set it up when it doesn't. The Maglev Rail part and "I want a sister" feel very state propaganda but the film is so sloppy all over its hard to tell if thats not just the film being a mess. Shoutout to Yellow Mooncake, who I assume is pineapple filled and therefore actually edible. The lips are synced to English not Mandarin which is fine but odd for an ostensibly Chinese made film. The song writing in Mandarin, and several jokes, don't totally work in Mandarin either.
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Barudak posted:Finally finished Over the Moon, what an absolute mess of a film. Just, so so many things happen because its needed and the plot has to act like it set it up when it doesn't. The Maglev Rail part and "I want a sister" feel very state propaganda but the film is so sloppy all over its hard to tell if thats not just the film being a mess. Shoutout to Yellow Mooncake, who I assume is pineapple filled and therefore actually edible. It's an american made film in collaboration with a Chinese studio, it's written by two americans (one of taiwanese descent) and directed by an american. The english dialogue is the original except for a couple of scenes. I didn't notice anything weird about the mandarin but i'm not a native speaker, which bit did you think was odd? also if you're saying you don't like red bean paste i don't know wtf. the yellow one is probably lotus seed paste with an egg
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DeimosRising posted:It's an american made film in collaboration with a Chinese studio, it's written by two americans (one of taiwanese descent) and directed by an american. The english dialogue is the original except for a couple of scenes. I didn't notice anything weird about the mandarin but i'm not a native speaker, which bit did you think was odd? I watched Mandarin with English subtitles and there were a couple of times with quick things, like her use of Dingbat, and with the please joke that I felt like weren't totally localized/how that would he setup. I don't think it was a bad, just every once in a while I went "oh yeah, this is an English first movie, right" and honestly thats a bit of a testament to how good it was at capturing the feel otherwise. The loving class rank thing got me good since my relatives still. talk. about. it. Red Bean Paste is not a desert, sorry entire side of the family and ancestors whose mountain grave I climbed up to visit. Im a modern person and I like the "sigh, fine, well make mooncakes that actually taste good and don't die in a tin you hid at the bottom of a drawer over 10 years" they started making with fruits. Barudak fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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I love red bean moon cakes, I just hate when they have egg yolks in them
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