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What the gently caress is up with Turk-aligned air defenses ill-advisedly whoopsieing Russian aircraft
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Nov 9, 2020 20:31
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aphid_licker posted:What the gently caress is up with Turk-aligned air defenses ill-advisedly whoopsieing Russian aircraft when a turkish f16 shot down a russian jet it wasn't a whoopsie, they did it intentionally
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Nov 9, 2020 20:32
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Fuligin posted:are there any good sites/outlets in english to try and track this? im assuming not and my best bet is to continue trawling through twitter ShallNoiseUpon posted:also curious about this, have been trying to follow it since the war nerd episode with the journalist in stepanakert From the Armenia-based side, these accounts post / write about it in English: https://twitter.com/joshuakucera https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer https://twitter.com/MejlumyanAni
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Nov 9, 2020 20:37
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The SOAD tracks and music video especially are a little dissonant feeling because on one hand while naturally they would support Armenia in what they would view is a war of survival against aggression, hearing them sing anything in favor of military and patriotism is just so strange
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Nov 9, 2020 20:57
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Maximo Roboto posted:The SOAD tracks and music video especially are a little dissonant feeling because on one hand while naturally they would support Armenia in what they would view is a war of survival against aggression, hearing them sing anything in favor of military and patriotism is just so strange nationalism is a terminal brain disease unfortunately
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Nov 9, 2020 21:21
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Spergin Morlock posted:when a turkish f16 shot down a russian jet it wasn't a whoopsie, they did it intentionally Yeah, this one might be an accident, but purely from the perspective of Turkey, shooting down a Russian aircraft here or there is probably in their best interest, mostly as a "yeah, that's something we can do, don't think you can act with impunity against us", even if this particular incident might end up turbofucking the Azeris.
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Nov 9, 2020 21:32
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Maximo Roboto posted:The SOAD tracks and music video especially are a little dissonant feeling because on one hand while naturally they would support Armenia in what they would view is a war of survival against aggression, hearing them sing anything in favor of military and patriotism is just so strange Yeah it's very dissonant especially considering Serj's entire work in the band and solo but I guess a defensive war of a small country is easier to defend than american imperialism?
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Nov 9, 2020 21:40
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aphid_licker posted:What the gently caress is up with Turk-aligned air defenses ill-advisedly whoopsieing Russian aircraft 
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Nov 9, 2020 21:43
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Some of the peeps I've been following on twitter for various random reasons and who happen to be Armenian diaspora are starting to sound like Goebbels circa 1944 e: shouldn't make fun of them as a guy who's in the luxurious situation of not having friends and / or relatives suffering and dying in a lost war
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Nov 9, 2020 22:14
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genocidal or totalan kreig
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Nov 9, 2020 22:16
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Plutonis posted:Yeah it's very dissonant especially considering Serj's entire work in the band and solo but I guess a defensive war of a small country is easier to defend than american imperialism? It's pitiful bc it's a proxy war imo
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Nov 9, 2020 22:18
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aphid_licker posted:Some of the peeps I've been following on twitter for various random reasons and who happen to be Armenian diaspora are starting to sound like Goebbels circa 1944 My boss is from Karabakh, and from basically day 2 he has been saying they the Armenians will be militarily defeated. A lot of Armenians do believe in the magical ability of their forces unfortunately, but its not like they could've done anything differently. https://twitter.com/cavidaga/status/1325911564365524992 The Russians are hanging the Armenians out to dry, if this didn't get them, nothing will
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Nov 9, 2020 22:29
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aphid_licker posted:Some of the peeps I've been following on twitter for various random reasons and who happen to be Armenian diaspora are starting to sound like Goebbels circa 1944 The only people who I've felt like making fun of are the Americans who went over, got cold feet, and are now told they cannot leave the country and must report to conscription ... I'm like, what did you expect??? Take a picture and then go home?
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Nov 9, 2020 22:30
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aphid_licker posted:Some of the peeps I've been following on twitter for various random reasons and who happen to be Armenian diaspora are starting to sound like Goebbels circa 1944 I mean after beating the JV Armenian army so decisively, there’s a legitimate concern they could keep going into Armenia proper and wipe out the whole country. They’re facing an existential threat, even Azerbaijan taking a strip of land to reconnect to Nakhchivan and cut Armenia off from Iran would be crippling.
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Nov 9, 2020 22:50
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uninterrupted posted:I mean after beating the JV Armenian army so decisively, there’s a legitimate concern they could keep going into Armenia proper and wipe out the whole country. They’re facing an existential threat, even Azerbaijan taking a strip of land to reconnect to Nakhchivan and cut Armenia off from Iran would be crippling. really think Russia would draw the line there tbh
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Nov 9, 2020 22:56
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Ardennes posted:A part of it as well is that the Soviets simply didn't want to overly favor a particular ethnic group in the region, and the Central Committee of the Azerbaijani SSR responsibility was continuity of oil production not ethnic partisanship (remember there was a bunch of Armenians in Baku working for the oil industry as well). Obviously, it was a compromise that didn't satisfy many. The purpose of Soviet policy was to integrate ethnic groups into one soviet people over time
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Nov 9, 2020 23:02
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Pashinyan posted this: https://www.facebook.com/nikol.pashinyan/posts/2807204759599901 quote:Dear compatriots, sisters and brothers. I personally made a very hard decision for me and all of us. I haven't been able to see the text of the statement he refers to yet
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Nov 9, 2020 23:11
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https://t.me/RadarARM/10807 The terms as announced by Radio Armenia. Ran it through Google Translate. quote:STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA, THE PRIME MINISTER OF ARMENIA AND THE PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN
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Nov 9, 2020 23:33
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OhFunny posted:https://t.me/RadarARM/10807 Welp. There I was thinking this was over. Seems like NKR is now in rebellion against central gov. https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1325923938329911304
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Nov 9, 2020 23:43
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Vasukhani posted:Welp. There I was thinking this was over. Seems like NKR is now in rebellion against central gov. Nah. Even Arayik knows the war is lost. https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1325929675424739334?s=19 https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1325932385792380928?s=19
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Nov 9, 2020 23:50
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Well poo poo https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1325927261451792387
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Nov 9, 2020 23:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmGYZK5_vzI Yikes
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Nov 9, 2020 23:52
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Wonder who these mutinying Armenian soldiers are who think that they can totally still turn this around, ie what were they doing in the war up until now where apparently they didn't have the whole total enemy superiority problem driven home to them
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Nov 9, 2020 23:59
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Thank god, i always hated that guy
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Nov 10, 2020 00:07
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not sure whats going on but looks fun
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Nov 10, 2020 00:11
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nationalism is really dumb man
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Nov 10, 2020 00:11
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:nationalism is really dumb man rioting so i can die by drone
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Nov 10, 2020 00:14
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the one thing i learned from this war is that unless anti-drone capabilities really step up, drones are going to dominate infantry in any conventional war.
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Nov 10, 2020 00:21
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https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1325939765951205378
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Nov 10, 2020 00:26
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Dreylad posted:the one thing i learned from this war is that unless anti-drone capabilities really step up, drones are going to dominate infantry in any conventional war. Well if you are a country without well-integrated air-defense or at least some fighters, it will be bad. Armenia's problem is they had no way to contest Azerbaijan's airspace in any offense sense because all they had were a handful of CAS aircraft and while they had S-300 systems, they didn't really back them up with close in air defense which left them vulnerable. At that point Azerbaijan with heavy Turkish assistance could pick the Armenians apart piece by piece. If Armenia had at least some multi-role fighters it might have been a much more even fight.
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Nov 10, 2020 00:31
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Ardennes posted:Well if you are a country without well-integrated air-defense or at least some fighters, it will be bad. Yeah but then you always kinda have to ask where would they have gotten the money, or what other thing should they have cut instead to free the funds.
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Nov 10, 2020 00:35
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aphid_licker posted:Yeah but then you always kinda have to ask where would they have gotten the money, or what other thing should they have cut instead to free the funds. Obviously, they couldn't that's the issue since Armenia doesn't have the cash to spend like Azerbaijan not with Turkish assistance. They were just screwed from the beginning. That said, Azerbaijan has a bit of a quandary at this point since while they won the conventional war. It is also unclear if they actually want to get bogged down in urban and mountain fighting to clear out the rest of the Armenian forces. As the conflict becomes more asymmetric, it may get more tricky for Azerbaijan since there won't be clear land targets to hit while their ground forces increasingly become overstretched. Also, Pashinyan is screwed and they are lynch mobs going around Yerevan looking for him.
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Nov 10, 2020 00:54
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it's all fun and games drone bombing everything up until you win and it's time to hold your conquered territory. ask the us!
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Nov 10, 2020 00:58
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Ardennes posted:Also, Pashinyan is screwed and they are lynch mobs going around Yerevan looking for him.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:01
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ur in my world now posted:it's all fun and games drone bombing everything up until you win and it's time to hold your conquered territory. ask the us! ah this is solved by simply depopulating the area. “When there's a person, there's a problem. When there's no person, there's no problem.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:01
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Ardennes posted:Obviously, they couldn't that's the issue since Armenia doesn't have the cash to spend like Azerbaijan not with Turkish assistance. They were just screwed from the beginning. How bad is the peace settlement? Getting to keep Stepankert + a corridor and having the package guaranteed by the Russians seems fairly good to my ignorant rear end? There's totally normal Armenian US / European diaspora guys I've been following forever on twitter for their cool day jobs or whatever that are currently absolutely foaming at the mouth and calling for Pashinyan's literal head. If the Russians don't whisk him out on a chopper idk how he survives this.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:03
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for a crowd that argumentative i'm surprised they're only surrounding the car, preventing it from leaving, for whatever reason instead of tipping it over. shows discipline.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:05
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aphid_licker posted:How bad is the peace settlement? Getting to keep Stepankert + a corridor and having the package guaranteed by the Russians seems fairly good to my ignorant rear end? Btw, I think the corridor is only a "virtual one" ie they have a right to cross it but it will be Azerbaijani land by yeah they would have to give up everything including most of the original autonomous oblast itself and I think Shusha. It isn't really a durable peace. Also, Pashinyan was the leader of Armenia's recent half-way color revolution, a big part of what is going on is Putin has been looking for a way to get rid of him.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:11
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aphid_licker posted:How bad is the peace settlement? Getting to keep Stepankert + a corridor and having the package guaranteed by the Russians seems fairly good to my ignorant rear end? It's better than they could hope for given the situation on the ground, but it's still a deeply bitter pill to swallow. They aren't even keeping all of the oblast. And Shushi is probably gonna be carbomb city for the rest of our lives once Azeri's start moving in. Alot of Armenians would rather give up Stepanakert than Shushi.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:13
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Pashinyan just called into this stream and is speaking. aphid_licker posted:How bad is the peace settlement? Getting to keep Stepankert + a corridor and having the package guaranteed by the Russians seems fairly good to my ignorant rear end? https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1325934622384005127?s=20 A rough map of settlement.
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