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gandlethorpe posted:Probably how Lisa only approaches being somewhat usable when you have appropriate gear, whereas a lot better characters are still fun and effective with suboptimal gear. Ignoring how clunky Lisa is to play, when you look at the raw numbers behind damage calculations her HOLD E (Violet Arc) skill scales incredibly well. So well it is in fact the hardest single hit possible, lvl 15 is +1157% dmg on a target with 3 conductive stacks.
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homeless snail posted:If you stack def and level breastplate her heal ramps up pretty hard, without the downside of getting you wet, provided you're in a fight that you can keep your shield up for the full duration each time. If you have C1 her burst turns into basically a full party heal, also. Noelle has been my main healer for a couple weeks now and I'm very happy with her. Should I do for def or def %? Do I trade atk % for def(/%)? Flavahbeast posted:Yeah, if you have her c1 she's a great healer and she's still pretty good without it I’m not on pc so what’s the E skill? Is it the breastplate/shield one? The thing I don’t like about Lisa is how her normal attack moves her backwards. The moving part in general is annoying.
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Lisa also really wants constellation bonuses to help shore up her problems. C2 gives her a survivability boost while charging her E (25% DEF and Interruption Resist) while C6 turbos out her big damage by letting her just immediately throw 3 stacks of conductivity on enemies in the area when you swap to her. She's basically a character you pull out for a big burst of damage and then swap out.
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Joink posted:Ignoring how clunky Lisa is to play, when you look at the raw numbers behind damage calculations her HOLD E (Violet Arc) skill scales incredibly well. So well it is in fact the hardest single hit possible, lvl 15 is +1157% dmg on a target with 3 conductive stacks. The largest single hit means nothing if it takes a long time to set up and is easily interrupted. Like, I have no opinions on the tier list, but we're talking about dps, not the largest single hits.
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Joink posted:Ignoring how clunky Lisa is to play, when you look at the raw numbers behind damage calculations her HOLD E (Violet Arc) skill scales incredibly well. So well it is in fact the hardest single hit possible, lvl 15 is +1157% dmg on a target with 3 conductive stacks. She does have this distinction, I'll give her that. Tartaglia's burst is like 98% as strong with no setup other than being in melee stance, can deal bonus damage, and has a 1 second shorter cooldown, lol. Oh, and has no channel time and gives invuln frames. Oh, and he's a good damage dealer outside of using it. Edit: Oh, and it can be multiplied by vaporize Edit: He sucks versus Oceanid though
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I haven't really notice what Fischl is even saying in jp other than how verbose the the text makes it appear but shes not even being chuuni by saying words in other languages. She's talking in a haughty way with some anachronistic words, the localization is taking huge efforts to convey how much of a dork she is.
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Clarste posted:The largest single hit means nothing if it takes a long time to set up and is easily interrupted. I don't see the value in sustained damage in harder content. Not dying is more important. What I have seen and why I consider Beidoiu top tier is popping a counter hit for 200k 1-shotting an abyss mage or Fatui after the shield is removed on the harder abyss floors. Same thing can happen with Lisa. Edit: Lisa is not a top tier unit, however characters that can do a ton of damage in a very short timeframe have a use. Joink fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Nov 17, 2020 |
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My final 4* pity on this banner before the big saveup starts was a C1 Diona. I'll take it.YoshiOfYellow posted:Yeah I love Childe. Childe is fine! You just need C1 and a specific 5* weapon...
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The one thing I really appreciate about Xiangling and Fischl is how effective they can be even with minimal effort. Summon dps minion 1, switch, summon dps minion 2, run around picking up loot as everything turns to ash. Obviously that's not the point in spiral abyss or tough domains, but this game has a whole lot of trash mobs too, and I like not having to pay attention to them. Ashenai fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Nov 17, 2020 |
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I haven't really notice what Fischl is even saying in jp other than how verbose the the text makes it appear but shes not even being chuuni by saying words in other languages. She's talking in a haughty way with some anachronistic words, the localization is taking huge efforts to convey how much of a dork she is. She's chuuni because her name is Aimee and she made all this up from some young adult novel she read
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Boris Galerkin posted:Should I do for def or def %? Do I trade atk % for def(/%)?
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Joink posted:Ignoring how clunky Lisa is to play, when you look at the raw numbers behind damage calculations her HOLD E (Violet Arc) skill scales incredibly well. So well it is in fact the hardest single hit possible, lvl 15 is +1157% dmg on a target with 3 conductive stacks. Total damage per hit is irrelevant to DPS unless all you care about is alpha striking hillichurls (which only really works at her C6). Okay let's go off the Wiki which only has stats to level 7 on Violet Arc. Hold E damage with 3 stacks - 731%. That's on a 16s cooldown after 3 1s uses of E, plus the several seconds charge time, which is very interruptible. Beidou's E (Tidecaller) with full counter damage (level 7) - 662% 7.5s cooldown, as well as giving as shield of 21% max hp +2392. Beidou also gets Electro damage as her ascension stat vs. Lisa's elemental mastery so it's going to have higher damage! So it's uh, actually bad? Like I'll take an instant activation skill that does basically the same damage, that also shields me from damage instead of leaving me vulnerable, doesn't require 3 attacks worth of setup, and also has less than half the cooldown. Lisa just isn't good. That doesn't mean you can't use her! The game's basically super easy except Spiral Abyss and probably the Chapter 1 boss fight. If you wanna main Lisa you can probably handle everything else in the game! She's definitely the weakest Catalyst user and probably only beats Amber in terms of trying to deal damage to enemies. But like, she can still kill Oceanid birds and probably Ruin Guards pretty well! She's certainly got a very small niche, but she feels clunky to play and the math just says she has bad, bad stats. Also go away weird thirsty library mom.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I haven't really notice what Fischl is even saying in jp other than how verbose the the text makes it appear but shes not even being chuuni by saying words in other languages. She's talking in a haughty way with some anachronistic words, the localization is taking huge efforts to convey how much of a dork she is. Yeah the localization owns.
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homeless snail posted:All her talents scale off of def and you probably aren't relying on her for damage so I wouldn't worry too much about her atk, and she has a pretty high base def so percentage will probably work better for you. That said, you only really need as much def as you need healing output so if you reach a point where you're satisfied with her healing you can swap in a geo dmg or atk artifact no problem to make her a little more useful during healing phases, in my experience. Also if you get to C6, her atk scales off of def too.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I haven't really notice what Fischl is even saying in jp other than how verbose the the text makes it appear but shes not even being chuuni by saying words in other languages. She's talking in a haughty way with some anachronistic words, the localization is taking huge efforts to convey how much of a dork she is. How are Paimon's "boom shaka laka" lines in other languages?
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:Also if you get to C6, her atk scales off of def too.
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Really frustrating when you get a five star (Childe) but you don't have the xp resources to get them to level 70, and are hesitant to allocate resources to them.
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theblackw0lf posted:Really frustrating when you get a five star (Childe) but you don't have the xp resources to get them to level 70, and are hesitant to allocate resources to them. I mean lack of resources sucks regardless, but I feel like Childe is the first carry I'd ever question. No one asks if you should get Keqing/Klee/Diluc to 70 unless you've already got solid abyss-clearing teams nailed down.
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theblackw0lf posted:Really frustrating when you get a five star (Childe) but you don't have the xp resources to get them to level 70, and are hesitant to allocate resources to them.
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MotU posted:She's chuuni because her name is Aimee and she made all this up from some young adult novel she read She runs around with some pretty convincing evidence that at least some of that is actually made rather than made up. Regardless, they need to hurry up and drop me
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I did the childe story quest and the test run, and if I'm being honest Childe is just too weird for me. His melee is really cool, and then it seems like you pretty much never want to swap off of him because it falls off and you're stuck in lovely bow stance? I'm kinda sad the banner that finally has ning and beidou on it has him as the 5 star, but I got a couple of dupes of both of them without wasting a pity so it worked out. Bows in general just feel like someone at mihoyo thinks they're a lot better than they really are. Smaller targets will dodge a lot of the shots and nobody has time to charge for 2 seconds while putting on blinders and reducing your move speed. Having a carry that's only good half the time seems extremely bad, regardless of how good the burst is.
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I don't know how Lisa would be as a main DPS- honestly that guy's video that I linked is not how I play her at all. But I think it goes to show how even the "Bad" casters can be pretty viable if statted right, and a lot of a character's strength comes from the interesting edge cases of their kit rather than their ability to pump sheer numbers. In Lisa's case, she is my secondary DPS and I hardly ever hold down her E for the big strike. My Lisa is 70 with a 70 weapon and I use her entirely as a reaction hammer, which she is incredibly good at. I have her EM pumped up to like 600 which gives something like a 415% boost on damage from overload and other elemental reactions. I use her to: * Annihilate small flying enemies (birds, fireflies, geo shamans on pillars) with homing shots after applying hydro or cryo * Proc superconduct with QiQi any time she feels like it to set up for Xiangling * Proc overload off of Xiangling's fire bear to stagger big shield guys or pretty much anything that is vulnerable to being exploded. She can do this 4 times per bear, easily, and then I can pop back to Xiangling and pick up the pepper for an ATK boost * Drop her Q and Xiangling's Q for a static field that basically procs non-stop overloads for like 20 seconds straight. This will clear that 5 Ruin Guard ambush if it catches them all. I'm not going to die on the hill of "She's the best" or anything, especially because I didn't really have a choice of other lightning element users until very recently. But she's been really good as a backup DPS and I can't imagine replacing her right now.
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gandlethorpe posted:How are Paimon's "boom shaka laka" lines in other languages? I forgot what she said during the Xianling quest but I'll keep an ear out for when she says it during the rest of the liyue quest line
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On the topic of characters in this game I've got the absolute worst non-Paimon Sucks take ITT I think Zhongli's voice is way too deep for anyone in this artstyle to be having.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Oh right I'm sure I saw this being discussed some days ago but I don't remember the outcome if it was tested.
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The elemental sight for bounties in the mountains suck. It keeps telling to clip through the ground or climb in very inefficient ways.
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Oh neat, it looks like you don't have to collect all the meteorite shards every single day. They don't reset; you get another 3 areas full of them every day, but it looks like the old areas aren't cleared, so you should be able to clear them out later if you like.
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Are we getting three new areas every day or just today and tomorrow? Every day seems crazy, that's 15 purple books.
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No Wave posted:Are we getting three new areas every day or just today and tomorrow? Every day seems crazy, that's 15 purple books. just today and tomorrow, then the second stage unlocks and we can start spending resin
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Ok that makes sense. We would have run out of map soon anyways. I'm probably going to end up spending fragile resin on this event, seems like the right time to use it (two fragile resin for a crown seems like a fair deal).
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I’ve spent a ton of fragile resin because I’m impatient but I have a few kicking around still. Going to definitely burn some.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I did the childe story quest and the test run, and if I'm being honest Childe is just too weird for me. His melee is really cool, and then it seems like you pretty much never want to swap off of him because it falls off and you're stuck in lovely bow stance? I'm kinda sad the banner that finally has ning and beidou on it has him as the 5 star, but I got a couple of dupes of both of them without wasting a pity so it worked out. He's good but I think he's gonna be very divisive because he's got Chores to do with his damage output. Personally I like that he's got a lot going on compared to someone like Diluc who is just mash the E key at high speeds forever. Bow stance ain't bad as he's got good multipliers and stuff but he's definitely way slower there than he is in melee. Without any constellations I think the way of the game is to be pretty conservative about how long you keep him in melee stance given the cooldown scales up the longer you stay there. Alternatively you can treat him like a big burst character and bring him out to do his thing for as long as you can and then swap to another big DPS carry character while his cooldown ticks. I think pairing him with another good hydro like Xingqiu or Mona will be real helpful as well to make sure he can burst more often.
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i'm still just wondering what exactly about test run Childe made him feel so much better than mine  someday i'll get there
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Childe seems really strong. I can't wait to finish the Liyue missions and see him be shut down by two people holding his wrists like we were.
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dogsicle posted:i'm still just wondering what exactly about test run Childe made him feel so much better than mine Most likely just raw talent levels. If you don't have him at 70 yet there's also the talent that makes melee stance crits apply Riptide. You can actually view his character page in the free trial through the radial menu. They have him at Level 80 with a Level 80 Favonius Warbow, a set of 4* Brave Heart artifacts, and Level 8 Talents.
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RareAcumen posted:On the topic of characters in this game I've got the absolute worst non-Paimon Sucks take ITT Which voice? I kinda like his EN one, since the clash between its creaky-old-manishness and his anime pretty-boy looks hints at his true identity.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Most likely just raw talent levels. If you don't have him at 70 yet there's also the talent that makes melee stance crits apply Riptide. You can actually view his character page in the free trial through the radial menu. They have him at Level 80 with a Level 80 Favonius Warbow, a set of 4* Brave Heart artifacts, and Level 8 Talents. yeah going back in to check it seems like talents and artifacts are where the disparity is. he's definitely benefitting from the Brave Heart 4pc effect and also running 50% crit while i'm down at 10% with 4/6/5 talents even though my atk is higher due to running Rust.
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