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I'm super excited to be moving away from 'small team, do everything' to an actual full-size enterprise and being on a team that does just a specific thing. e: 5 more business days till first day at new job
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The Fool posted:I'm super excited to be moving away from 'small team, do everything' to an actual full-size enterprise and being on a team that does just a specific thing. I did that for a while but I just got dead bored working on the same things. Different strokes for different folks.
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Nov 18, 2020 22:29
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mllaneza posted:The shift from being "the IT guy" to being "a site technical lead" is remarkable. I have peers I can ask questions, a team that handles routine stuff, and a boss who will let me sit in the corner and come up with clever solutions. He also helps me yell at the team when they hit their PTO accumulation max. The big, enterprisey company overhead can get annoying sometimes, but I'd rather put in a ticket and wait a few days for some firewall ports to open than call a cab on a Saturday because I hosed up an iptables rule. Once upon a time I had two staff, and it was nice. At this job I am technically head of I.T. for the company, including the I.T. departments of the companies we have purchased, but practically I am kept isolated from them and have no authority or influence. That said yesterday I organized our first ever I.T. managers meeting so we could all chat without the bosses and other interlopers, and it was cool. I led the discussion but otherwise kept out of it and let them all talk about how they were doing dealing with the various lockdowns (we are now a global company) and share their current and upcoming projects. I think they enjoyed it. I intend to do this quarterly.
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Nov 18, 2020 22:58
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lament.cfg posted:I’m sure the doctors think the same of the medical expert computer toucher
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Nov 18, 2020 23:07
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The Fool posted:I'm super excited to be moving away from 'small team, do everything' to an actual full-size enterprise and being on a team that does just a specific thing. My thing is I get bored quickly. I’ve worked for companies who probably could have gotten away with just using an MSP. Doing everything is fun, but you do a phone system every ten years, buy all new switches every ten years, update servers every three years if you’re lucky, upgrade exchange every five years...maybe you’ll be dragged into a facilities project like alarm systems, security cameras, or door access. You have to hope for side projects that you can drag out for months. ERP systems, implementing things like HR or CRM software, that kind of poo poo. But you almost always get stuck in a rut. A lot of companies don’t want to move to the cloud. So you’re stuck with on-prem systems. That AS/400 sticks around. Your skills start to deterioate. You get flack for having a new job every three years but what else can you do?
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Nov 18, 2020 23:11
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Bob Morales posted:but what else can you do? You can wear a loving mask.
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Nov 18, 2020 23:26
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Steakandchips posted:You can just wear the loving mask, Bob.
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Nov 18, 2020 23:27
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Thanatosian posted:Doctors, lawyers, and academics have by far the highest prevalence of Dunning-Kruger. Which is not to say that it's uncommon among the computer touching crowd. The more specialized a person gets, the more inept they are at basic level things.
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Nov 18, 2020 23:43
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Johnny Aztec posted:The more specialized a person gets, the more inept they are at basic level things. Post/av disagreement.
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Nov 18, 2020 23:44
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Johnny Aztec posted:The more specialized a person gets, the more inept they are at basic level things. It's not even a matter of ineptness, it's a matter of not recognizing the ineptness. I don't know anything about cars, and I would never try to tell a mechanic how to do their job (I'm definitely inept at car mechanics), but that's fine, because that's why I go to experts; a lot of doctors, lawyers, and academics think "oh, I'm very smart, therefore I must know how best to do thing X, because I am very smart." Definitely not universal, just ridiculously common.
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Nov 19, 2020 00:42
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True intelligence is recognizing that we're all dumb AF.
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Nov 19, 2020 00:46
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Why do none of you guys with unlimited PTO take a year off or something?
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Nov 19, 2020 00:46
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MrLogan posted:Why do none of you guys with unlimited PTO take a year off or something? Haha it's not ACTUAL unlimited PTO. It's a way for companies not to carry any documented liability for vacation days, so that when they fire people they don't have to pay them for accrued vacation time. After all, if the PTO is unlimited, there's no reason to count it and making companies pay for "unlimited" PTO when firing people would obviously be completely unfair to the poor downtrodden corporation, so it just doesn't count and everyone's happy! If you actually tried to use it in a meaningful way the company would fire you for completely unrelated reasons. And because it's the US, there would be precisely jack and/or poo poo you could do about it. So exactly how "unlimited" the PTO is basically depends on a combination of your manager, their manager(s), and the HR department. Think of it in the same way as cellphone plans - unlimited until you hit the throttling.
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Nov 19, 2020 00:50
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Since it's at the discretion of the manager "unlimited" PTO is also used to reward the favored and punish the unpopular. I've seen people in the Cool Kids Club take off three months straight, while others have to fight for a week.
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Nov 19, 2020 00:59
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Dick Trauma posted:Since it's at the discretion of the manager "unlimited" PTO is also used to reward the favored and punish the unpopular. I've seen people in the Cool Kids Club take off three months straight, while others have to fight for a week. I wonder if anyone has ever done a study of how much PTO people with "unlimited" PTO take, broken down by race and gender? Sure would be interesting.
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Nov 19, 2020 01:03
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gently caress me, speaking of wearing a mask, first positive COVID test in the office (that I know of) as of today. From a new user who was literally in for just the first half of the day yesterday. Who I spent ~5 minutes within six feet of, masked up, but I don't remember if they had a mask on or if I touched any of their poo poo. So I don't know how much exposure I might have had, and if I did get exposed, how much exposure other people might've had to me. I am mid-key freaking the gently caress out trying to find goddamn anywhere near me that has testing. Everywhere is loving booked up or their answering machine is full or... gently caress me.
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Nov 19, 2020 01:33
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My company went to unlimited sick time because studies show (at least in the case of sick time, and what studies I dunno but according to our HR anyways) you average half a day less per employee. I’m supposed to monitor it and sometimes we audit when people are excessive - but our HR does not give a poo poo if the days are evenly distributed and not always on Mondays/Fridays. I had a dude take 12 Monday’s/Fridays in a year off who wound up getting axed in a layoff because he was extremely bad at his job. The sick time ‘abuse’ didn’t wind up being a factor.
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Nov 19, 2020 01:35
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dragonshardz posted:gently caress me, speaking of wearing a mask, first positive COVID test in the office (that I know of) as of today. When I had a similar situation happen I went to a drive-through testing site. They were busy, but only had to wait about 40 minutes. Got my test results back a couple days later.
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Nov 19, 2020 01:40
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Thanatosian posted:I wonder if anyone has ever done a study of how much PTO people with "unlimited" PTO take, broken down by race and gender? Sure would be interesting. According to this article, like 13% fewer days taken and a lot more email checking while you're out. I know since I switched to a company with unlimited PTO, I've taken a lot less time off. Part of it is that having set vacation days sort of let me know that "ok, this is the normal amount of time for people to be taking off around here." Now, I have no idea what's the "norm" is or what's going to make my manager think I'm slacking off (he's chill, so I could probably ask for a month and not get flack about it) To be fair, a lot of that can probably be chalked up to the fact that I'm also a WFH employee so I no longer feel the need to take time off just to get a break from being around coworkers. We also get the week between Christmas and the New Year as a freebie, which was typically about a 1/3 of my annual leave at my last job.
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Nov 19, 2020 01:43
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The Fool posted:When I had a similar situation happen I went to a drive-through testing site. They were busy, but only had to wait about 40 minutes. Got my test results back a couple days later. Every single drive-through testing site near me requires an appointment and has none available for the next 3-4 days. I haven't heard back from my boss as to what he wants me to do regarding self-quarantine until I can get tested. Given that my job is one where I have to touch other people's stuff and be in the same general area as them, I am extremely not okay with risking their health. I guess I am going to just have to swap to telework as best I can and beg forgiveness if I have to.
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Nov 19, 2020 01:56
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dragonshardz posted:Every single drive-through testing site near me requires an appointment and has none available for the next 3-4 days. Same poo poo here regarding testing. What I found when I had needed a test was that some urgent care places will open up new time slots at 8AM, so maybe check around for places that say that.
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Nov 19, 2020 01:58
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Bingo Bango posted:According to this article, like 13% fewer days taken and a lot more email checking while you're out. I'd really like to see a breakdown between men/women and white people/BIPOC.
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Nov 19, 2020 02:02
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dragonshardz posted:Every single drive-through testing site near me requires an appointment and has none available for the next 3-4 days. If it helps, MIT had a study that said that getting tested within 3-5 days of possible exposure can lead to false positives, so scheduling it out a few days from now might get you a more accurate test than if you went in right away. e: MIT, not CDC duffmensch fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 02:08
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Dick Trauma posted:Since it's at the discretion of the manager "unlimited" PTO is also used to reward the favored and punish the unpopular. I've seen people in the Cool Kids Club take off three months straight, while others have to fight for a week. This definitely happened to me. My first manager was really nice and like "dude, just take all the PTO you need". I switched teams, got an rear end in a top hat manager who denied me to take 2 days for bullshit reasons because he was a dick who hated me. I'm now at a new place with unlimited PTO, back with the first, nice, manager and he's super chill about me taking days here and there to cope. In short, just wear the loving mask Bob.
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Nov 19, 2020 02:11
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No matter what your boss "wants" you to do, you need to self quarantine. You had direct contact with someone who tested positive and you have to assume you are positive until tests say otherwise or two weeks have passed with no symptoms. Like, there isn't even a debate here, this is literally the basics of the pandemic response.
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Nov 19, 2020 02:48
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Mine is "unlimited" as well, but it's "really" two weeks or so, but a few days here and there extra is whatever, the boss just says yes or no to it.
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Nov 19, 2020 03:23
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We've got "unlimited" which means a bunch of the overworked salary people are getting like 1-2 weeks off, but I'm at 2 weeks after being here about 8 months and plan on taking another week after the holidays are over and then another around my 1 year anniversary.
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Nov 19, 2020 03:38
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bull3964 posted:No matter what your boss "wants" you to do, you need to self quarantine. You had direct contact with someone who tested positive and you have to assume you are positive until tests say otherwise or two weeks have passed with no symptoms. The basics of pandemic response is irrelevant to company needs, you see. So out you go, to spread the pandemic further.
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Nov 19, 2020 03:41
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Number go up. Infection numbers or stock value? Yes.
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Nov 19, 2020 03:50
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We got an email the other day saying that if we got covid, there’s no way we could have gotten it at work so we have to use PTO if we miss work because of it. I’ll copy and paste it tomorrow.
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Nov 19, 2020 04:06
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Bob Morales posted:We got an email the other day saying that if we got covid, there’s no way we could have gotten it at work so we have to use PTO if we miss work because of it. I’ll copy and paste it tomorrow. Wow. HR and payroll setup a special fund to track COVID related absences so that it wouldn't hit people's sick time accruals and they wouldn't try showing up if they were sick. Going to have to remember to thank them tomorrow for not being sociopaths (at least in this case).
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Nov 19, 2020 04:33
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Couldn’t find the email but were a low risk facility because we prescreen and test weekly blah blah.duffmensch posted:Wow. HR and payroll setup a special fund to track COVID related absences so that it wouldn't hit people's sick time accruals and they wouldn't try showing up if they were sick. Going to have to remember to thank them tomorrow for not being sociopaths (at least in this case). Over a month ago when I got it we were able to get two weeks. Not sure what changed.
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Nov 19, 2020 04:35
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bull3964 posted:No matter what your boss "wants" you to do, you need to self quarantine. You had direct contact with someone who tested positive and you have to assume you are positive until tests say otherwise or two weeks have passed with no symptoms. I know, I just want the man to validate my decision. 22 Eargesplitten posted:Number go up. Thankfully I don't work for a business, so we ain't give no fucks about stonks. E: I spent a fair amount of time today, before I found out about this contractor testing positive, deploying laptops to people so I'm worried about any accidental exposure they may have gotten from me. I also want my boss to back me up on self-quarantining so that I can tell certain of my coworkers to suck it up when they take over a couple in-person service calls I'd scheduled for tomorrow, again before knowing about poo poo. dragonshardz fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 04:59
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dragonshardz posted:
Something similar happened to me and I had the same fears, so I’ll say to you what someone said to me. There is nothing you can do about it now, so don’t beat yourself up worrying about it. You didn’t know you had anything to worry about at the time, and you have acted ethically and responsibly since the moment you’ve found out. These things happen, and most likely everyone’s going to be just fine. You acted correctly from start to finish, so please don’t worry about things that are not your fault. You are human like the rest of us, and you can only act on information if you know about it in the first place. Be calm, self isolate, and get your test result. It’s a scary thing, and your feelings of fear and concern are absolutely valid. With luck you’ll all be OK and it’s just a scare. No matter what happens, you are not at fault for any of it. The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Bob Morales posted:We got an email the other day saying that if we got covid, there’s no way we could have gotten it at work so we have to use PTO if we miss work because of it. I’ll copy and paste it tomorrow. That'll be fun when people feel a little flu-y and come in anyway so as not to use sick leave. And then infect literally everyone because apparently they can sit at their desk and not wear a mask while coughing and exhaling in general in a close space with air-conditioning. Wear the loving mask, Bob.
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Nov 19, 2020 06:53
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Bob (wear your mask) don't you work for a hospital or mental health facility or something? And they're saving its impossible their employees in a Healthcare facility couldn't catch it at work? Like, it's extremely dumb and will cause outbreaks from people coming to work sick but that's like, especially dumb.
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Nov 19, 2020 07:46
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Bob Morales posted:Couldn’t find the email but were a low risk facility because we prescreen and test weekly blah blah. Hey Bob have you actually started wearing your mask all day at work or do you still think that's paranoid poo poo for sheeple?
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Nov 19, 2020 08:05
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Bob Morales posted:We got an email the other day saying that if we got covid, there’s no way we could have gotten it at work so we have to use PTO if we miss work because of it. I’ll copy and paste it tomorrow. They are aware patient zero works for them right?
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I'm between a rock and a hard place. In theory if people can work from home, they should. In practice, our place of work doesn't have a WFH culture at all so when genuine examples of people who could go home appear, management don't back it for fear of all the people that just accept the culture and sit there going "ner ner ner why did ~team member~ get a laptop" etc. So we have ~team member~ who could work from home but only has a desktop PC. This person also doesn't work for my site, they are just based here but report to head office, so I've been told not to charge anything to my cost centres for them. ~team boss~ asks for a laptop and is aware we have standby laptops for anyone who has to be sent home (we have barely touched them due to culture I mentioned) In reality, it wouldn't be an issue, but because ~team boss~ is difficult, it has not been authorised by the CEO. My reply was - give me a cost centre, if I order one you can have one of mine. ~team boss~ either doesn't like this answer or can't get budget approval - instead of replying "ok" they said they really need a laptop because people are coming into the building without masks and it's a risk to her team so they should go home (ffs, bob!) which caused the CEO to say we just need to manage the mask issue they should be on at all times, etc. A week passes, no cost centre, email from the HR director, who is ~team boss~ 1up boss. "I understand this decision, what do I need to do to make it happen, is it just a cost centre you need?" - yes please A couple more days pass, still no cost code - ~team boss~ is back and now saying can ~team member~ move for a day as the water main burst and there is no water so no one can wash hands, if they had a laptop they could go home The water was due to go back on in an hours time, as per the comms at the time (and it did) I can't tell if they don't have budgetary approval (it would be unusual not to) or if the ~team boss~ throwing in random half reasons that can be solved with non-technical solutions (wear a mask, go get some hand gel / bottled water from facilities) is causing resistance somewhere The bit that pisses me off is ~team boss~ seems to think this is me being obstructive, but they are becoming known as a difficult customer across the business so I'm sure it isn't reflecting on me. I totally get that this person should be working from home but it's just mad how we have all failed here.
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klosterdev posted:Bob (wear your mask) don't you work for a hospital or mental health facility or something? And they're saving its impossible their employees in a Healthcare facility couldn't catch it at work? Good luck coming up with a way to prove exactly where an infection came from! Because without that any complaints or lawsuits are dead in the water. Hospitals are just as hosed up as everyone else, they don't give one poo poo about their employees because all that truly matters is keeping the revenue coming in.
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