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pantslesswithwolves posted:So for those of you who have a better grasp of civil-military relations than I do: what’s the significance of this? Without knowing the details this is most likely more about how SOCOM communicates with DOD on its unique "service like" man, train, equip authorities under Title 10 during the POM cycle and for reporting readiness metrics. Most likely this means that SOCOM will communicate it's spending and readiness plans directly to DOD vice vetting them via service processes. I very much doubt that this is a change to the current operational C2 structure in place where SOF operates via the COCOMs with the CJCS as the "global integrator". You folks may have forgotten that McRaven actually pressed the Obama Administration hard on giving SOCOM full operational control of SOF forces globally and was more of less soundly rebuffed by all levels. Even with the chaos in DOD during this lame-duck Trump period I'm hard pressed to believe that SOCOM's C2 structure is on the table.
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PookBear posted:don't officers in socom rotate back to non SOF units after O-4? I know that this does happen, not sure when. Knew an O5 SF dude who was a battalion commander for a bunch of pogs, because he needed command time and there are only so many slots for those in USASOC.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:
lmao. This is why Berlin is for sure in my top 3 favorite places in the world.
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Trump now emptyquoting himself https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265905510115590144?s=19 From the wrong election
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ManMythLegend posted:Without knowing the details this is most likely more about how SOCOM communicates with DOD on its unique "service like" man, train, equip authorities under Title 10 during the POM cycle and for reporting readiness metrics. Most likely this means that SOCOM will communicate it's spending and readiness plans directly to DOD vice vetting them via service processes. This was my take - Special Ops is an ASD under OSD-Policy. And of course SOCOM is a CCMD reporting to the SECDEF directly already. I would assume SOCOM is the special ops global integrator (and CJCS/Joint Staff is the 'everything' global integrator) CYBERCOM is the cyber global integrator, for example. (see JP 3-12). I'm not as familiar with the special ops world.
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RFC2324 posted:Big problem nowadays is a lack of available old growth, we cut it all down in the 1800s to make wooden ships(among other things) so what we have left is pretty protected. Remember, it takes decades to grow a tree tall enough for a big ship I remember a news story a bunch of years ago about one of the Scandinavian countries fulfilling an order the British Navy made at some point in the 19th century because thats how long it took for the trees to grow to become usable in building a ship. My memory of the details might be a bit off if it actually happened.
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Judge in PA case gave Trump an extra day to file his new motion for preliminary injunction. They still have two pleadings due today in the next 20 minutes.
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SlightlyMad posted:Since the people who don't even believe Covid-19 is a real thing are 100% Trump cultists and are also the most likely to be infected through lack of adherence to basic pandemic precautions, you have to start wondering how many times bigger the death count will be compared to Jonestown. These are people too ignorant to realize they've drank the Kool-aid, or think that poison recommended by el Presidente is good for you and have been brainwashed to the point that their dying words are along the lines of "Covid ain't real!". This unfortunately ignores the community spread nature of COVID-19 when it is diffuse throughout the US. Of course the less mask mandated areas are being hit worse but it isn't instant karma where assholes who loudly shout about masks being for sheep are the ones that die. It's going to kill random adjacent people just as easily as it will actual chuds who have it coming.
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maffew buildings posted:Probably sets up for a lot of infighting with services being pissed to have control of their SOC units not being directly reporting. Theoretically it could develop more autonomy and flexibility for SOCOM to develop and execute plans by not getting hamstrung by some dude with a hard on for nonsense and stars on their shoulders but when the gently caress has the DoD done anything like this correctly? Giving the president direct war powers. 😎
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A Bad Poster posted:I know that this does happen, not sure when. Knew an O5 SF dude who was a battalion commander for a bunch of pogs, because he needed command time and there are only so many slots for those in USASOC. So in SF getting command is highly difficult so you will see a lot of people cycle back after their detachment commander time. Smaller SOF forces don’t have the same level of Manning so you’ll get an O4/5 broadening opportunity if you fight for it, but it’s difficult given the number of SF dudes who don’t have a home. I know in PSYOP we almost never cycle to the force unless you’ve hosed up. We have too many open jobs within our own organization and ARSOF as a whole to fill that going to the force is super difficult.
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lightpole posted:The old wooden ships needed the right type of tree in the right length for masts and keel. I think the USN or whoever dragged the live oak out of the swamp for one of the first six frigates lost a bunch of men in getting it. My assumption is that new types of processed wood may make it usable again however processing usually eats into how green it is. Related, but the Navy maintains a private white oak forest in Indiana specifically so they have wood on hand to refit the USS Constitution. https://taskandpurpose.com/mandatory-fun/constitution-grove-indiana-navy
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not caring here posted:Dickhead of Behind Enemy Lines fame and ferocious trump toady Scott O'Grady got appointed to a senior defense position and immediately got mad at a dude on twitter I thought he preferred pilots who didn't get captured
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I'd love a breakdown on the career path of members of rangers/sf/delta, specifically how many transferred from a regular unit versus enlisting straight into rangers/sf
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When I was in basic I was told that 18Xs have more success in the SF pipeline than people from traditional like units because of whatever poo poo they do right after airborne school.
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PookBear posted:I'd love a breakdown on the career path of members of rangers/sf/delta, specifically how many transferred from a regular unit versus enlisting straight into rangers/sf While I can’t give actual numbers, Ranger regiment is almost all dudes who took option 40 contracts outside of the officers. It is very hard to go from the 82nd or 101st with a tab to regiment. The exception is low density MOS, but combat arms it’s super difficult. SF has a decent number of 18x contracts, especially now that it was made into an actual pipeline instead of an opportunity to go to SFAS . The majority still come from line units though. Can’t speak for the SMUs since I’ve never worked with them. For delta the talk has always been a 75/25 split for Ranger Regiment and SF, with the majority of SF guys coming from 3rd and 5th, but that’s all rumor as far as I know.
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shame on an IGA posted:I thought he preferred pilots who didn't get captured To be fair, grady didn't get captured, he was just an idiot
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Flikken posted:To be fair, grady didn't get captured, he was just an idiot Didn’t someone do an effort post on all of the things he did wrong that could have gotten him shot by the Marines who rescued him? Like I seem to recall he ran at the heli with his pistol out?
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Flikken posted:To be fair, grady didn't get captured, he was just an idiot Can someone breakdown or detail how exactly O'Grady is an idiot or hosed up after he ejected? Like the only thing I had told to me was that he hosed up by running towards the Super Stallion without IDing himself and he almost got shot as a result, but beyond that, I am clueless and would genuinely like to know more. I read his book as a kid and hated finding out later that he was a complete shithead and chud to boot. pantslesswithwolves posted:Didn’t someone do an effort post on all of the things he did wrong that could have gotten him shot by the Marines who rescued him? Like I seem to recall he ran at the heli with his pistol out? Yeah that's the one detail I remember from his book and thinking even at the age of 11 "Wow, that's a terrible idea". But if someone has that effort post, namaste.
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DurosKlav posted:I remember a news story a bunch of years ago about one of the Scandinavian countries fulfilling an order the British Navy made at some point in the 19th century because thats how long it took for the trees to grow to become usable in building a ship. My memory of the details might be a bit off if it actually happened. This sounds hilarious but none of my googling shows anything.
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My dad is a retired SF COL that joined SF in the mid 80s and his generation seem to all favor the unconventional warfare/foreign internal defense mission and my dad has mentioned steering his more direct action focused subordinate officers towards Delta. Despite being a pure SF officer he deployed to Afghanistan with JSOC so he's got a lot friends throughout the SOF community, of the Delta guys he's friends with they mostly seemed to be Rangers with only a couple with SF experience. My dad continued working as a contractor for SOCOM after his retirement and he's mentioned being concerned with SF placing too much of a priority on direct action over UW/FID though that was in the early 2010s, my dad is fully retired now.
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When I was at Bragg, rumor had it CAG was Ranger Heavy, along the 75/25 someone else mentioned That was rumors, though.
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You know what's probably not a good legal move? Signing the judge's name to your motion without his approval. https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1329212850087321605
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Mustang posted:My dad is a retired SF COL that joined SF in the mid 80s and his generation seem to all favor the unconventional warfare/foreign internal defense mission and my dad has mentioned steering his more direct action focused subordinate officers towards Delta. Despite being a pure SF officer he deployed to Afghanistan with JSOC so he's got a lot friends throughout the SOF community, of the Delta guys he's friends with they mostly seemed to be Rangers with only a couple with SF experience. I’d read your dad’s book if he wrote one. My buddy who was in SF really liked his FID deployments in West Africa, but didn’t seem to care much for Afghanistan. I’ve never heard him say anything good about ANA but I suppose that’s not exactly an outlier opinion.
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DurosKlav posted:I remember a news story a bunch of years ago about one of the Scandinavian countries fulfilling an order the British Navy made at some point in the 19th century because thats how long it took for the trees to grow to become usable in building a ship. My memory of the details might be a bit off if it actually happened. This is ringing a bell other than the British part, but I can't find it either.
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Xenoborg posted:This is ringing a bell other than the British part, but I can't find it either. Only tangentially related but it reminded me that there’s a bond issued in the 17th century that’s still pointy out. https://news.yale.edu/2015/09/22/living-artifact-dutch-golden-age-yale-s-367-year-old-water-bond-still-pays-interest
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I’d read your dad’s book if he wrote one. My SF buddy who admittedly is pants on head broke brained loved the Commandos and translators, hates the regular guys though.
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So Aussie have just released a report based on a 4 year-long investigation into a bunch of their SAS committing war crimes in Afghan, and holy gently caress it's bad. All sorts of executions, planting weapons, "blooding" new troopers by having them execute prisoners. There's video that got leaked by journalists of a patrol Scout executing a dude lying on the ground. Some real Navy Seal poo poo. https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-report-alleges e] Frustratingly it's mostly being dumped on the patrol commanders and sergeants, despite there being multiple interviews with soldiers who state unequivocally that it was reported to the hierarchy who basically ignored it. Radical 90s Wizard fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Xenoborg posted:This is ringing a bell other than the British part, but I can't find it either. It would make sense, they basically cleared the UK by 1800 and the strategic value of Scandinavia was enormous.
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facialimpediment posted:You know what's probably not a good legal move? This is criminal, surely?
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:So Aussie have just released a report based on a 4 year-long investigation into a bunch of their SAS committing war crimes in Afghan, and holy gently caress it's bad. All sorts of executions, planting weapons, "blooding" new troopers by having them execute prisoners. There's video that got leaked by journalists of a patrol Scout executing a dude lying on the ground. Some real Navy Seal poo poo. Aren't the SEALs and AUS SAS pretty tight with each other as communities?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:This is criminal, surely? Nah. It's a proposed order filed as one - but it isn't going to make a judge happy.
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Mustang posted:he's mentioned being concerned with SF placing too much of a priority on direct action over UW/FID though that was in the early 2010s, my dad is fully retired now. This is a pretty common complaint among the pre GWOT era SOF community I’ve heard. I think the whole 4BN for groups made the want for being a DA cool guy larger. That being said, Jade Helm was run by a bunch of your dad’s peers(albeit mainly mainly former team sergeants) and was an absolute poo poo show so I’m not convinced they were as good at it as they make themselves out to be. It was unequivocally the worst training exercise I’ve ever done, and I used to be in a chemical unit.
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I'm kinda glad that I gor hurt when I did. I was planning on attempting selection when I hosed myself up. I really wanted to do the old school FID poo poo, but it seemed like that was getting pushed aside as I was getting out.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nah. It's a proposed order filed as one - but it isn't going to make a judge happy. i specifically meant the signing the judge's name part, isn't that forgery or something?
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Xenoborg posted:This is ringing a bell other than the British part, but I can't find it either. I believe this is a story about Visingso in Sweden. During the nineteenth century a big tract of the island was planted with oak trees for future shipbuilding, then 150 years or so later the trees were ready but the Swedish Navy had no use for them.
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facialimpediment posted:You know what's probably not a good legal move? "Just go ahead and sign it. No one will catch it." 
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CBJSprague24 posted:"Just go ahead and sign it. No one will catch it." I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.
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Platystemon posted:I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. "Rudy said they used to do it all the time in New York, signing stuff then getting the judge to actually sign it later." Rudy:  (No, no one's said this...yet.)
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Nuclear War posted:This sounds hilarious but none of my googling shows anything. drat, I swear it happened but maybe it was just my imagination. EDIT: Vincent Van Goatse posted:I believe this is a story about Visingso in Sweden. During the nineteenth century a big tract of the island was planted with oak trees for future shipbuilding, then 150 years or so later the trees were ready but the Swedish Navy had no use for them. Actually I believe this was it. The article I read about it was probably 10+ years ago so my facts were mostly off. DurosKlav fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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