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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I'm sad you didn't post this argument, because I am not going to actually look at a Jorp link but I kind of want to hear how he says he definitely would be a nazi if given the chance and assumes it applies universally. I watched like 3 minutes and it's exactly what you think. He says the people who helped shelter the Jews and stood up to the Nazis were incredibly rare and that if you claim you would have been anything other than a perpetrator you must not know anything about history, sociology, psychology, etc. And while I look at people around me and go "Yeah he's not completely wrong, my relatives definitely would have turned Anne Frank in" I can't help but feel like he's just projecting how he would have acted.
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Any argument that posits that you might or probably would have acted differently if your life circumstances and position in the scheme of time were completely different is vacuous on the face of it because it's putting a moral onus on a fictional person who is theoretically you, except that person can't be you because they're by definition completely abstracted from the moral compass you have as a result of being alive in the 21st century. We all inherit our attitudes from the culture around us, but that's not a revelation to anybody but a teenager.
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Heath posted:Any argument that posits that you might or probably would have acted differently if your life circumstances and position in the scheme of time were completely different is vacuous on the face of it because it's putting a moral onus on a fictional person who is theoretically you, except that person can't be you because they're by definition completely abstracted from the moral compass you have as a result of being alive in the 21st century. We all inherit our attitudes from the culture around us, but that's not a revelation to anybody but a teenager. Rugged individualists (who I'm going to assume that Jordan is, despite how much he wants everyone to become lockstep to authority) love to ignore the social/economic/family factors that greatly outweigh personality traits in the grand scheme of "Success" But hey - you can't sell a 100$ buzzfeed quiz to kids by quantifying what type of neighborhood they grew up in
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Also compelled speech is bad and should be resisted. But you have to actually understand what compelled speech even is, and Jorpo and his cult do not.
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Posting in the page 41 of Jorban Probson thread.
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not only does bill c16 not compel speech, it has no jurisdiction over peterson's place of work. it does not affect how he behaves in his classroom at all in any way, shape, or form.
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The idiocy of jorpo in that video is that he thinks liberalism teaches that people are fundamentally good and you don't have to watch out for nazis. His conception of liberalism is that idealizing resistance to nazis means that all liberals think they'd have been Johannes Kleiman valiantly hiding the Franks.
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I enjoy his Kermit Thee Frog voice!
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Vashro posted:I enjoy his Kermit Thee Frog voice! See I felt really weird because of all the Jorb = Kermit memes/jokes/insults because in my country The Muppet Show was dubbed and I couldn't make connection at first.
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Ups_rail posted:I dont feel like digging it up but I remember he did point out some contradiction regarding being a monster to your kid or something and old jorp basically back peddled. There was the one where Steven Crowder was talking poo poo about weed and Joe got visibly pissed. Pretty sure all of the other garbage Crowder was spewing went unchecked, tho.
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empty baggie posted:There was the one where Steven Crowder was talking poo poo about weed and Joe got visibly pissed. That's basically Joe Rogan in a nutshell
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iirc joe made fun of crowder a little bit, and crowder got so mad rogan apologized lol but leftwing people are special snowflakes etc
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Jarl posted:
As pointed out, C16 does not compel you to use someone's correct pronouns. The bill adds "gender identity or expression" to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act and the list of characteristics of identifiable groups protected from hate propaganda in the Criminal Code. It primarily involves what a court can do during sentencing. So in order for the bill to apply to you, you have to first be found guilty of discrimination or spreading hate speech. The bill doesn't even have the power to compel people to correctly say what's in the bill as shown by your video of Peterson expressing his views in Canadian Parliament. His speech is obviously not being suppressed, he can still talk about the bill however he wants to and he can use non-gendered pronouns to avoid the situation entirely. Here is a quote from Peterson where we can see him using pronouns without the state coming to arrest him.  By referring to a group of words using the pronoun "they", Peterson gives more dignity to sounds we make with our mouths than actual people. What's more C16 only applies to Federal institutions. Public Universities in Canada are governed by Provincial Law which have already had similar laws in place for almost a decade before C16 was introduced. Petersons workplace had similar legislation in effect while he was "reasonably" arguing with students about C16 on university grounds. By convincing people that transgender people's getting rights to not be discriminated against or be exposed to hate speech is actually an attack on their own rights and it is part of a Marxist plot he actively generates a bad environment for transgender people to be in. Despite this, C16 or other relevant Human Right Codes do not apply, Peterson is free to go around making money and celebrity spreading misinformation. His speech is not being censored nor is it being compelled. Hamburger Sandwich fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Slotducks posted:NO DAD YOU CANT JUST BARGE INTO MY ROOM CLAIMING YOURE HEARING THE CHAOS OF MY YOUTH BECOMING UNBOUNDED I NEED MY PRIVATE SPACE JESUS
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I didn't even notice he sounds like Kermit for a couple years until someone mentioned it to me and now I can't unhear it
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Jarl posted:
Omfg this is the worst post, a Wall of text, even got your own excersing habits into the text for reasons? Seriously dude. You are obviolusly supporting JP but trying to cover it up with  no one buys this poo poo, you are just trying to be "maybe the truth is in the middle" and it just aint in this case, either you a dumbass or not. Also are you unaware he hates women? Or do you support that as well? Please get the gently caress out. Sorry for being rude but yeah reddit is thataway. You are free to be a dumbass peterson fan but please not here, were trying to be like a sane forum these days. Edit: And how the gently caress can his fans be so impressed with him admitting a mistake when hes caught on camera? Is admitting mistakes a very hard thing to do for his fans or what? Do they really think its such an achievement? What was he supposed to do? Continue getting clowned? The video shows hes stupid and dont know poo poo, he admits to being stupid then continues to be stupid again the next day. What a man. Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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You know it's a pet peeve of mine when people take a big steaming poo poo in a thread and then say "but I guess I'm not welcome here, I'll leave now". If you don't want to discuss your dumbass views then don't post them, coward.
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Zombiepop posted:Edit: And how the gently caress can his fans be so impressed with him admitting a mistake when hes caught on camera? Is admitting mistakes a very hard thing to do for his fans or what? Do they really think its such an achievement? What was he supposed to do? Continue getting clowned? The video shows hes stupid and dont know poo poo, he admits to being stupid then continues to be stupid again the next day. What a man. This is one of the reasons I dislike the attempts at "owning" people like that online. None of their fanbase will care, and they'll still be peddling the same poo poo the next day (cf. Shapiro, Ben), unless they're finally deplatformed because they can no longer hide behind plausible deniability (cf. Yiannopoulos, Milo). (There were a few other reasons I was going to post but most of them are still around unfortunately).
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Who What Now posted:You know it's a pet peeve of mine when people take a big steaming poo poo in a thread and then say "but I guess I'm not welcome here, I'll leave now". If you don't want to discuss your dumbass views then don't post them, coward. I don't know, maybe OP had to leave because he drank a thimble of apple cider and was up all night with bad dreams.
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mojo1701a posted:This is one of the reasons I dislike the attempts at "owning" people like that online. None of their fanbase will care, and they'll still be peddling the same poo poo the next day (cf. Shapiro, Ben), unless they're finally deplatformed because they can no longer hide behind plausible deniability (cf. Yiannopoulos, Milo). you can't get rid of Ben Shabibo and Jordan Balthazar Peterson by attacking them directly. they are just avatars of their audience. making JP fall from grace will only leave a space in the alt-right ecosystem for some other grifter to take his place. the only way to get rid of JP is to talk to his fans
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mojo1701a posted:This is one of the reasons I dislike the attempts at "owning" people like that online. None of their fanbase will care, and they'll still be peddling the same poo poo the next day (cf. Shapiro, Ben), unless they're finally deplatformed because they can no longer hide behind plausible deniability (cf. Yiannopoulos, Milo). Yeah but if you show the videos to normal people they often get very turned off by peterson. Its a litmus test for secret peterson fans. But yeah the fans are a lost cause unless you talk irl. deplatform their heroes is the only effective way right now.
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Rutibex posted:you can't get rid of Ben Shabibo and Jordan Balthazar Peterson by attacking them directly. they are just avatars of their audience. making JP fall from grace will only leave a space in the alt-right ecosystem for some other grifter to take his place. Unfortunately his fans either do drive by shitposts and never read any responses or start ranting about how the SJWs are ruining america.
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pop punk posted:The problem with the owns/owning stuff is anyone who posts enough online or talks enough in public can have a compilation made of them. And in a lot of cases very online figures will have lists clarifying or followers clarifying and hand waving stuff away. Attempting to dunk on Jordan to overcome him mirrors his weirdo world view in a way that should make you uncomfortable if you think his personal model of how the world works with dominance hierarchies is immoral or incorrect. "Dunking on people is that same as saying women are inferior to men" is the shittiest take I've seen in a long, long time.
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Rutibex posted:the only way to get rid of JP is to talk to his fans Just when you thought libs couldn't get more succ
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xtal posted:Just when you thought libs couldn't get more succ or i donno round them all up into camps  whatever your feeling
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Zombiepop posted:Edit: And how the gently caress can his fans be so impressed with him admitting a mistake when hes caught on camera? Is admitting mistakes a very hard thing to do for his fans or what? Do they really think its such an achievement? What was he supposed to do? Continue getting clowned? The video shows hes stupid and dont know poo poo, he admits to being stupid then continues to be stupid again the next day. What a man. American (IDK about Canadian) culture in general is super against admitting you're wrong- there's a popular perception that it's admitting weakness.
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Puppy Time posted:American (IDK about Canadian) culture in general is super against admitting you're wrong- there's a popular perception that it's admitting weakness. Plus he does not really admit he is wrong in any meaningful sense. He says the words to Jeffreys sure but it does not stop him from immediately returning to spouting the same rhetoric and rehashing the same ideas. An admission signifying nothing.
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I'm Canadian but I had this gross interaction with a fairly well off dude who buddies around with conservatives here and I apologized for something innocuous and he was trying to be sweet about it but his exact words were "Don't ever apologize for anything ever." - He was deadly serious and wouldn't break eye contact with me. Like dude chill I'm saying sorry for delaying the start of a meeting because I forgot my loving notebook jesus.
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Slotducks posted:I'm Canadian but I had this gross interaction with a fairly well off dude who buddies around with conservatives here and I apologized for something innocuous and he was trying to be sweet about it but his exact words were "Don't ever apologize for anything ever." - He was deadly serious and wouldn't break eye contact with me. I would've thought this was the sort of thing that could get your Canadian citizenship revoked.
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I just feel bad for his inevitable ex wife who has never heard an apology for any of the depraved poo poo he ever got up to. He tooled around with Patrick Brown and Rob/Doug Ford a lot.
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Slotducks posted:I'm Canadian but I had this gross interaction with a fairly well off dude who buddies around with conservatives here and I apologized for something innocuous and he was trying to be sweet about it but his exact words were "Don't ever apologize for anything ever." - He was deadly serious and wouldn't break eye contact with me. This is a stupid social ritual thing, but if you say "thank you for waiting" instead, those kinds of people will respond warmly and with appreciation.
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yeah but i'm not thankful I'm in fact pissed off that he's wasting my time with some stupid drone thing that will never actually get past transport canada regulations because you're batshit insane to actually think a small company of like 15 people can actually do something this complicated
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Who What Now posted:"Dunking on people is that same as saying women are inferior to men" is the shittiest take I've seen in a long, long time. That's not even kind of what he said.
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mojo1701a posted:This is one of the reasons I dislike the attempts at "owning" people like that online. None of their fanbase will care, and they'll still be peddling the same poo poo the next day (cf. Shapiro, Ben), unless they're finally deplatformed because they can no longer hide behind plausible deniability (cf. Yiannopoulos, Milo). I don't think I heard the story - what finally did Milo in? He's still here and there's a 99% probability that a simulation of him is RIGHT BEHIND U!!!!
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Strategic Tea posted:I don't think I heard the story - what finally did Milo in? Outright said some poo poo supporting pedophilia and defending it, tried to backtrack and claim it was a joke/rhetorical statement but even the alt-right doesn't support pedophilia. Actually scratch that, the alt-right doesn't support overt statements endorsing pedophilia, they just like the kind they can sweep under the rug semantically like trying to justify lowering the age of consent to fourteen so they can diddle young girls.
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Outright said some poo poo supporting pedophilia and defending it, tried to backtrack and claim it was a joke/rhetorical statement but even the alt-right doesn't support pedophilia. I think it was also because he made that 'joke' in reference to a priest, or at least he said that little boys should be hosed by priests or something like that. Whatever. I think Milo was one of those people that was convenient to have on hand so that they could fight back on identity politics because he was gay and extremely aggressive about right wing stuff. I think he rubbed too many people the wrong way and they didn't like gay people in the first place so the pedo stuff was just the lever on the ejection seat on the right-wing car.
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it wasn't just a joke, he put forth the whole "how low should the age of consent be anyway?" argument quite sincerely. IF you're going to try to argue this, and it is a horrible argument for many reasons, you better be a lot more of a respected and buttoned up intellectual type than milo loving yiannopolous who was a deliberately provocative person here is the video, note that this is a bunch of total right wing dipshits sitting around chatting so i'm not recommending anyone watch this for insight or entertainment. only posting it in case anyone wants to see what he actually says (its bad) https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833485040944156673
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