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Slimy Hog posted:What? There is no ai for driving. They are completely on rails and have no ability to move out of the way of an obstacle. Hence why cops do not chase you in cars and why you can block a car and they will stay stuck eternally. That is not something you can fix with a patch.
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Oh poo poo, just finished a gig Last Login where in the end you can "forget" what you saw in a ripperdoc's basement for a permanent discount. Respec shard costs 80k from him and he has a couple interesting legendary items, all discounted, woot.
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Dec 14, 2020 00:17
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Sedisp posted:There is no ai for driving. They are completely on rails and have no ability to move out of the way of an obstacle. Hence why cops do not chase you in cars and why you can block a car and they will stay stuck eternally. That is not something you can fix with a patch. I guess I'll take this one - why couldn't they be fixed with a patch?
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Sedisp posted:There is no ai for driving. They are completely on rails and have no ability to move out of the way of an obstacle. Hence why cops do not chase you in cars and why you can block a car and they will stay stuck eternally. That is not something you can fix with a patch. No my "what" was about your incorrect claim that driving AI is somehow set in stone.
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Sedisp posted:There is not ai for driving. They are compltely on rails and have no ability to move out of the way of an obstacle. Hence why cops do not chase you in cars and why you can block a car and they will stay stuck eternally. That is not something you can fix with a patch. that doesn't seem correct and also it's not like traffic ai is a big part of the game in any way at all?
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Dec 14, 2020 00:19
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Sedisp posted:There is no ai for driving. They are completely on rails and have no ability to move out of the way of an obstacle. Hence why cops do not chase you in cars and why you can block a car and they will stay stuck eternally. That is not something you can fix with a patch. I mean, you could patch in AI for driving. How do you think patches work, exactly, if not changing the underlying code?
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Palpek posted:Oh poo poo, just finished a gig Last Login where in the end you can "forget" what you saw in a ripperdoc's basement for a permanent discount. Respec shard costs 80k from him and he has a couple interesting legendary items, all discounted, woot. Can you post screenshots of the legendary items please? Oh and his location on the map? Because I gunned him down like the dog that he is and I wonder if I lost those things permanently or if he's been replaced with another ripperdoc.
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Dec 14, 2020 00:21
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I don't care about the npc cars that much but the police bounty system has gotta go.
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Dec 14, 2020 00:22
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BaronVanAwesome posted:I guess I'll take this one - why couldn't they be fixed with a patch? Slimy Hog posted:No my "what" was about your incorrect claim that driving AI is somehow set in stone. I mean I guess it's possible they add in a feature but depending on how much spaghetti is in the game there's a really good chance that putting it in breaks five different things. I guess it's more accurate to say if they don't have a feature that ubisoft open world cut and pastes have they probably couldn't get it working that easily and it is highly unlikely that will ever be a priority for this game. Au Revoir Shosanna posted:that doesn't seem correct and also it's not like traffic ai is a big part of the game in any way at all? Driving and immersion is a big part of the game, cars not being able to move out of the way is a pretty big immersion killer. Knowing I will never be chased by anything not on foot or floating drone is a worse one.
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Dec 14, 2020 00:24
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 Goddamn 49 street cred
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Dec 14, 2020 00:26
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Rinkles posted:it's jaw dropping on a good pc my pc is a frankenstein of 4 gen intel and rx 590 and the game is beatifull 
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Dec 14, 2020 00:27
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Sedisp posted:I mean I guess it's possible they add in a feature but depending on how much spaghetti is in the game there's a really good chance that putting it in breaks five different things. I guess it's more accurate to say if they don't have a feature that ubisoft open world cut and pastes have they probably couldn't get it working that easily and it is highly unlikely that will ever be a priority for this game. So you're pulling it outta your rear end, got it.
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i am unable to see tooltips for several weapons i have now, including my main one. when i hover over em, tooltip just doesn't show up. not all weapons. googling hasn't turned up people with similar issues so i have no idea what's going on. it's real annoying in shops cause for my stuff i can at least go to upgrade and see it, shop stuff i just have no idea
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:that doesn't seem correct and also it's not like traffic ai is a big part of the game in any way at all? I mean it seems very unlikely that they'd fix that in a patch. Presumably it's a massive undertaking. Maybe as part of a big expansion drop? Otherwise I can't see anything that huge being patched. It must be really disheartening to know that all the post-release work will be seen by only a fraction of players. The vast majority will either just play the current version or just never both with the game.
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Dec 14, 2020 00:28
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I just stopped a gas station being held up by pinging the cash register to reveal all the enemies, then hacking a pump to detonate in 4 seconds, and timed the detonation with a through the walls double headshot with my tech rifle while Goons argue itt about how the traffic AI is a game-ruining travesty
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Slimy Hog posted:So you're pulling it outta your rear end, got it. If you think they are going to add something that horrendously annoying to program as part of a free patch I have a bridge to sell you.
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Dec 14, 2020 00:29
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I think this is a strange complaint because the game totally waxes philosophic all of the time but you have to pick the right dialogue options. So maybe it's just that all of those people aren't as deep as they think they are. I dunno, I'm not being very eloquent here, it's more of a tone thing I guess? I just feel if this was more like a 2020 sci fi novel I'd be constantly guessing whether I'm playing as V or V reliving her memories in braindance as part of an uploaded group consciousness with a load of new self identies that we could barely have conceive of. It just doesn't go down those crazy rabbit holes like it could. It feels like something that was written in the 80s where just the basics of cyberpunk were cool in themselves without getting too meta.
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Perfect Potato posted:
Where is this available? I got almost that much.
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Maybe it's because I'm hardened by running this on low settings on a low-end setup but I cannot comprehend having your entire experience ruined by things this minor
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Dec 14, 2020 00:31
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Sedisp posted:Driving and immersion is a big part of the game, cars not being able to move out of the way is a pretty big immersion killer. Knowing I will never be chased by anything not on foot or floating drone is a worse one. Absolutely. No car chases that aren't scripted, no police or Trauma Teams responding to civilians getting shot. For all the beauty of Night City and all the people milling around, it often feels pretty inert to me.
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Woof Blitzer posted:Where is this available? I got almost that much. The pacifica ripperdoc
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Dec 14, 2020 00:32
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Can you post screenshots of the legendary items please? Oh and his location on the map? Because I gunned him down like the dog that he is and I wonder if I lost those things permanently or if he's been replaced with another ripperdoc.     That last one cost 4k and I bought it immediately because it seemed broken as hell.
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Sedisp posted:If you think they are going to add something that horrendously annoying to program as part of a free patch I have a bridge to sell you. I'm not the one making the claim that it's impossible, but I also don't care because I'm not looking for GTA: Night City 
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Palpek posted:Sure Oh good it's just melee build stuff. Is anyone playing a melee build and still cares about stamina? I've never really noticed it come into play at all.
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Fojar38 posted:I just stopped a gas station being held up by pinging the cash register to reveal all the enemies, then hacking a pump to detonate in 4 seconds, and timed the detonation with a through the walls double headshot with my tech rifle while Goons argue itt about how the traffic AI is a game-ruining travesty Speaking of AI, what makes this a little less thrilling is that you could also have clicked on their heads while they stand around like dinguses.
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Slimy Hog posted:I'm not the one making the claim that it's impossible, but I also don't care because I'm not looking for GTA: Night City Then they should of gone with making it an rpg first and they also kinda hosed that part up too.
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It's not just the driving AI lol the combat AI is fundamentally broken. Some people were saying they'd rather have "undertuned" than "overtuned" AI which is ridiculous because the AI is so "undertuned" it basically cannot handle you hacking and actually finding you, you using Tech or Smart weapons, figuring out how to go up or down stairs, prioritizing who gets to go through a door first (so they bunch up at a door and never leave), understanding that they can't shoot through walls or comprehend when a door is open or closed (a cyberpsycho stood on the other side of a closed garage door shooting at it while I killed them from the other side with a Tech title), netrunners won't use detection hacks half the time, the AI will enter broken cycles where they do things like hunker down behind cover and NEVER come out to shoot, etc. etc. These are all ones that I've personally experienced and there are likely plenty I'm forgetting. Even simple poo poo like them shooting cameras so you can't use them to hack with impunity are egregious oversights. It would take one hell of a patch and a complete overhaul to fix these issues. As it stands the AI makes Fallout 4 feel like it has FEAR level AI.
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In a game like this, having some kind of traffic AI is not a minor thing. It should have been one of the first things they got working in this kind of game. Jesus Christ. It doesn't really ruin the game completely for me, but it definitely brings it down, especially when I think about why it's not in the game.
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Sedisp posted:Then they should of gone with making it an rpg first and they also kinda hosed that part up too. I don't think they did.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Oh good it's just melee build stuff.
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Faulting a game with cars for having boring car content is fair, tbh. Maybe Mafia is a better point of comparison in terms of "yes it's an open world game, no moving around in it is not supposed to be fun".
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Pylons posted:I don't think they did. Glad you're enjoying it then, I would have preferred more options in most of the dialogue that regular V, rear end in a top hat V.
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Course after I buy the epic monowire I find the ripperdoc that sells the legendary monowire....
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Okay, so I've been running around this city on foot from one end of Watson to another, putting off talking to Dex just to see how much poo poo I can get into. I have nearly maxed my crafting, breach protocol, annihilation and a bunch of other poo poo and Athletics isn't even halfway to its first level. From hours of just running. How do you upgrade this skill without an epoch of grind?
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:It's not just the driving AI lol the combat AI is fundamentally broken. I completed a side gig against some bad guys in a bar by going to the roof and shooting through the window, from which they couldn't find me or even shoot up in retaliation. There's sometimes putting one over on the AI, which I think everybody enjoys, and then there's "this game just straight-up does not work as intended."
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Idiot Doom Spiral posted:Speaking of AI, what makes this a little less thrilling is that you could also have clicked on their heads while they stand around like dinguses. I mean, I guess, but that would have been a lot less cool and fun? "There was theoretically an easier alternative, therefore it wasn't as fun to do the more difficult but cooler thing" is a line of thinking I don't understand
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Basic Chunnel posted:Faulting a game with cars for having boring car content is fair, tbh. Maybe Mafia is a better point of comparison in terms of "yes it's an open world game, no moving around in it is not supposed to be fun". Mafia actually had driving AI though and cops that chase you in their cars.
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marshmallow creep posted:Okay, so I've been running around this city on foot from one end of Watson to another, putting off talking to Dex just to see how much poo poo I can get into. I have nearly maxed my crafting, breach protocol, annihilation and a bunch of other poo poo and Athletics isn't even halfway to its first level. From hours of just running. How do you upgrade this skill without an epoch of grind? dodge
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Well I did it, I got out of bounds, I jumped over a wall near a building and this happened:  Those are all cars now I'm falling  hit kill plane
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All the missions are built around the fact that there is no car combat other than on rails sequences. If there is car combat added later I'd assume it'd be as part of a dlc with missions that could actually use it. I expect the regular combat AI will be I don't expect them to patch in more RPG stuff in the story missions or more fleshed out city systems coz that's not what the game is. It's a cinematic action game where you travel through a pretty city backdrop to go from combat sequence to combat sequence.
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