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Also one of his rules is "pet every cat" and you should not pet every cat you see, some will be like, "gently caress off, I'm a cat who doesn't know you"
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It sucks that Peterson likes cats because cats are good and should not be tainted by association with him.
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Very weird to me that the crybaby who melts down over having to be outwardly respectful to trans people didn't have what it takes to go through the recommended process of benzo addiction treatment
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Who What Now posted:He also hates children. A good amount of 12 Rules is about how it's not only good but necessary to beat your kids otherwise they'll never respect you. Hell one of the rules is specifically "Don't allow your kids to do anything you hate" and goes into extremly strange tangents about yelling at a friend's toddler that he WILL go to sleep right this instance or he will regret it and other equally concerning anecdotes. These are written in a way that makes it clear that Peterson thinks he is the perfect parent with no parenting faults. Man, fuuuuuuuck this egotistical dumbass piece of poo poo. Jesus loving christ. Anyone who hits or intimidates kids like that can go right ahead and get hooked on benzos or whatever the gently caress. gently caress you, jorp.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Man, fuuuuuuuck this egotistical dumbass piece of poo poo. Jesus loving christ. Anyone who hits or intimidates kids like that can go right ahead and get hooked on benzos or whatever the gently caress. gently caress you, jorp. Watching Cass Eris go through the book really cemented the parts that I bounced off of while reading the drat thing. Every who says "I just don't know why you guys think Jordan is a bad guy, have you ever actually read his work" has an unopened copy of 12 Rules on their shelf. It's straight up bad self-help advice from start to finish. Even the parts that seem like no-brainers turn out to be weird hosed up rants when you actually dig into them.
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Weirdo posted:Also one of his rules is "pet every cat" and you should not pet every cat you see, some will be like, "gently caress off, I'm a cat who doesn't know you" This squares for the dude who has to keep his office door open when women are present.
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catapede posted:This squares for the dude who has to keep his office door open when women are present. Wait, for real?
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I don't think there's ever been a direct statement that that's the reason, but there have been tweets and comments from students and faculty at UoT that he was the only professor who was not allowed to close his door during office hours, and he has complained that it is impossible to figure out the "rules" for men and women sharing a workplace and that he has faced three charges of sexual harassment despite being a stand up guy who is definitely not a creep. I don't think there's more than one way to connect those dots. E: Correction, he has copped to it himself, it seems. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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There's a video of him telling an audience that lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/7y6d9s/jordan_peterson_admits_having_3_cases_of_sexual/ Here a rough transcript a user typed up: quote:At my workplace, at the university, I've been warned innumerable times not to have a discussion with a student—male or female, but it's the females that are often [served?] in this particular rule—with the door shut. And that's—that's not like, six months ago, that's not like three months ago. That's like, advice from the last fifteen years. But I don't listen to that, because I think "sorry, I'm not living that way". But, these things are tense. They're tense. And we won't talk about them intelligently and maturely.
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wow jordan peterson sexually harassed a 13 year old girl? and hes bragging about it? thats hosed up
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Someone reported that he told her in therapy that her problem was she “needed to be tamed”, which is like a bad porno script. Sexual impropriety, yeah, sounds on brand.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Someone reported that he told her in therapy that her problem was she “needed to be tamed”, which is like a bad porno script. Sexual impropriety, yeah, sounds on brand. Wtf? I thought the 13-yo comment was a lovely metaphor for society and another way to bash women. Never heard specifics from clients. loving barf.
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catapede posted:Wtf? I thought the 13-yo comment was a lovely metaphor for society and another way to bash women. Never heard specifics from clients. loving barf. Holy gently caress. To hell with him.
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Here’s the full article https://www.canadaland.com/how-jordan-petersons-fame-affected-his-private-practice/quote:Things went well enough in their sessions that summer, but Samantha was developing an attraction to Peterson — what she has since come to understand as a case of transference, a well-known occurrence in therapy in which a patient unconsciously redirects feelings for a third person on to their therapist. Ew.
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Hamburger Sandwich posted:12 principles for a 21st century conservatism (He just loves lists of twelve things) Lol none of these pass the barest bar of 101 philosophy, none of these are first principles, all of them are built on horrible assumptions and attitudes The language is reminscent of the stuff that justified phrenology.
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Has anyone ever asked him about circumcision?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Has anyone ever asked him about circumcision? Jordi using callipers to measure the head of a dick. "Hm, you have the glans of a true ubermensch. You could easily beat up a 4 year old."
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This is reminding me of a part of 12 Rules that I actually kinda remember. Chapter 5 is the "children are little shits, amirite?" chapter. He starts with the decent notion that children are completely dependent on adults for survival and learning, and as such crave a knowledge of what is allowed; they're testing boundaries. So be a good parent by setting proper boundaries. Okay, Jordy. That's not that bad. Then he pooh-poohs Rousseau's "noble savage" by evoking original sin (literally, he mentions Adam) and how we all have evil in us as well as good, "and the darkness that dwells forever in our souls is also there in no small part in our younger selves. In general, people improve with age, rather than worsening, becoming kinder, more conscientious, and more emotionally stable as they mature. Bullying at the sheer and often terrible intensity of the schoolyard rarely manifests itself in grown-up society. William Golding's dark and anarchistic 'Lord of the Flies' is a classic for a reason." So, yeah, Jorpy thinks kids are born evil and it's our job to punish them for it. Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Also a fan of "adults don't really bully people" from a man whose entire public persona is fighting for the right to harass people without consequence.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also a fan of "adults don't really bully people" from a man whose entire public persona is fighting for the right to harass people without consequence. And crying real literal tears because he got bullied too much on Twitter
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"there's some popular fiction about Thing, proof that Thing is true" is academia-grade thinking in Canadian humanities huh
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I totally forgot I started anger-highlighting 12 Rules as I read it. More Chapter 5: "When I worked in daycare centres, early in my career, the comparatively neglected children would come to me desperately, in their fumbling, half-formed manner, with no sense of proper distance and no attentive playfulness. They would flop, nearby – or directly on my lap, no matter what I was doing – driven inexorably by the powerful desire for adult attention, the necessary catalyst for further development. It was very difficult not to react with annoyance, even disgust, to such children and their too prolonged infantilism – difficult not to literally push them aside – even though I felt very badly for them, and understood their predicament well." He then adds that showing affection will just I imagine he has his remote-control-car face on the whole time this interaction is happening.
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Who What Now posted:And crying real literal tears because he got bullied too much on Twitter No, that tracks perfectly; he's facing consequences for bullying, which is the whole thing he was against.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:I totally forgot I started anger-highlighting 12 Rules as I read it. More Chapter 5: What the gently caress?! "These infant kids were neglected, and I guess I felt bad for them, but I just wanted to push them away." The person who needs psychological assessment in this nightmare scenario we live in is fuckin' Jorp.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:What the gently caress?! psychologists become psychologists in order to avoid anyone else ever psychoanalyzing them
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Rutibex posted:psychologists become psychologists in order to avoid anyone else ever psychoanalyzing them Actually, I've always had this pet theory that a major component of some people becoming phycologists is so that they can diagnose themselves. Frankly, I've never seen it work, most psychologists are crazy as gently caress.
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Which is wild to me, because I would think a psychologist would be the first person to tell you that people can't accurately appraise themselves. So them thinking they could self-diagnose without any kind of internal bias swaying their conclusion just seems silly.
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I don't believe for a second that Jorp felt bad for those kids. That's a straight up lie because even he knows that refusing to feel pity for toddlers in bad situations is unacceptable to normal people. Look at another excerpt that he writes, and keep in mind that he is writing about a two year oldA hosed-up weirdo posted:I remember taking my daughter to the playground once when she was about two. She was playing on the monkey bars, hanging in mid-air. A particularly provocative little monster of about the same age was standing above her on the same bar she was gripping. I watched him move towards her. Our eyes locked. He slowly and deliberately stepped on her hands, with increasing force, over and over, as he stared me down. He knew exactly what he was doing. Up yours, Daddy-O — that was his philosophy. He had already concluded that adults were contemptible, and that he could safely defy them. So, to recap, his daughter was playing on the monkey bars, while another boy the same age came up and for no other reason than to defy Peterson specifically and personally, stepped on his daughter's hands. Setting aside what parent let's a 2 y/o on monkey bars (I suspect he doesn't remember when it actually happened and doesn't know what milestones of child physical and mental development happen when), he believes that this was an act of malice not directed at his daughter, the victim, but at him. And then, after fantasizing about trying to murder the literal child, he loses this contest of wills. Jordan is too cowardly to actually confront a child.
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He needs an assessment at muzzle velocity (or a life sentence to a medical ward). He is a danger to people. It's not worth the incredible effort it would take to reform him.
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Rule 12: pet every cat you see Rule 5: drop-kick every child you see
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Rip the wings off bugs, for science
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*in kermit's voice* well you see by focusing the analysis power of the glass appartus one reveals the docile stubborness of the other, the flames are rising, from these so called "ants", are rising, of course, from chaos
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:"there's some popular fiction about Thing, proof that Thing is true" is academia-grade thinking in Canadian humanities huh Tilting at straw-windmills drives the West and you can't convince me otherwise
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DickParasite posted:Tilting at straw-windmills drives the West and you can't convince me otherwise Can-con Quixote
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I mean sure we do talk about gay luxury space communism but we also tend to compare the US to countries like Canada, Sweden, the UK, Norway, etc. pretty sure those are real??
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Rutibex posted:psychologists become psychologists in order to avoid anyone else ever psychoanalyzing them Tarkus posted:Actually, I've always had this pet theory that a major component of some people becoming phycologists is so that they can diagnose themselves. Frankly, I've never seen it work, most psychologists are crazy as gently caress. Don’t let Peterson’s fruitcake stuff give you the wrong impression. It’s always encouraged and usually a requirement for a psychotherapist to undergo therapy themselves in order to be licensed/accredited. It just depends on the country, training program, etc.. (E: misread post) SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Dec 22, 2020 |
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Most psych majors I know got into the field explicitly to gain a measure of control over the various things haunting them, which usually turned out to be the standard cocktail of impostor syndrome, general anxiety, depression and sundry similar ills that plague any reasonable 21st century adult. None of them, so far, have come to the conclusion that they are actually a model of human behavior and that what the world needs is to embrace its hatred of women and minorities; that bit in particular I think should be blamed on Jorp just being a lovely dude.
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I decided to look back at my notes and highlights, and it starts with me trying to pick out the interesting and insightful parts. Then the parts I doubt. Then outright hunting for silly things. "Maybe pump the brakes on trying to think like a woman, Jordan." Is one of the notes.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:which usually turned out to be the standard cocktail of impostor syndrome, general anxiety, depression and sundry similar ills that plague any reasonable 21st century adult. 
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Wark Say posted:Wait, is the bolded one really all that common? No only you have it
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