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The game is awesome. My biggest complaint is no game will ever be as detailed or resemble anything like it again. They spent 8 years building an entire city within a 20 square km area.
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I think a lot of people will just miss the little things because there's a lot of different levels of interplay. Like if you do the side job to take down Shobo it gives you a way to get out of Woodman's office without having to fight
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Bust Rodd posted:Like what? If you were a CDPR Dev and had been given 2 years to fully realize the open world of Night City, what would you have put there to keep players from feeling like there was nothing to do? Gambling? Mini games with your choombas? Anything. Like you get to be with Jackie just enough to bond with him and he gets merced instantly. The game has pointless hooker scenes that you pay money for. That's one step away from blackjack and hookers. I really appreciate the lengths that the devs went to realizing this world but feel a bit underwhelmed when I'm functionally just playing a broken Far Cry game.
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I feel like I am playing a totally different game than a lot of you, most likely because I'm on a PS5 its bad right now. really fuckin bad. last patch made textures complete loving poo poo
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Dec 24, 2020 23:20
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I'm trying to think of other open world type games I've played that has more ways to meaningfully interact with the environment and I'm having trouble. The best I can come up with is Yakuza and it's almost entirely poorly designed to serviceable mini-games like karaoke, bowling, golf and heavily UI based business management (this isn't a knock on Yakuza, I like those games a lot). I don't think this is even true of Witcher 3, they were just able to hide it better with the sheer density of quality side quests.
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Bust Rodd posted:Like what? If you were a CDPR Dev and had been given 2 years to fully realize the open world of Night City, what would you have put there to keep players from feeling like there was nothing to do? Any of the things that have been standard in open world games since gta 3? Robbing stores for cash and items, holding up folks on the street, car chases, random escalating encounters with enemy gangs... Night City would feel more dynamic if it were possible to be driving down the street (with better driving physics, of course) and run over a Maelstrom dude which causes some of his buddies roll up in a truck and you have an impromptu shootout/sword fight/quickhack encounter. Stuff like that has been standard since the PS2-era.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:22
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TheAgent posted:I feel like I am playing a totally different game than a lot of you, most likely because I'm on a PS5 Try thinking of it in terms of people who like playing Star Citizen
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Carew posted:I'm trying to think of other open world type games I've played that has more ways to meaningfully interact with the environment and I'm having trouble. The best I can come up with is Yakuza and it's almost entirely poorly designed to serviceable mini-games like karaoke, bowling, golf and heavily UI based business management (this isn't a knock on Yakuza, I like those games a lot). I don't think this is even true of Witcher 3, they were just able to hide it better with the sheer density of quality side quests. Cyberpunk would only be improved with a chicken property manager with a vendetta against the voodoo boys
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TheAgent posted:I feel like I am playing a totally different game than a lot of you, most likely because I'm on a PS5 Yeah... On PC I've had some glitches here and there and the occasionnal crash to desktop. Playing it still is quite the different experience than what I'm seeing from other people's comments and videos. The fact it's struggling on PS5s makes one wonder what the gently caress they were thinking releasing it on PS4 and whatever the older xbox is called.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:29
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Cyberpunk would only be improved with a chicken property manager with a vendetta against the voodoo boys Inevitable John Wick x Nugget mod
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NoMas posted:Try thinking of it in terms of people who like playing Star Citizen Cyberpunk is a released game you can play right now from start to finish. It's buggy as hell if you're watching glitch compilation videos I guess.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:31
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Timotheous Venture posted:Any of the things that have been standard in open world games since gta 3? Robbing stores for cash and items, holding up folks on the street, car chases, random escalating encounters with enemy gangs... Soo.. you wanted a GTA clone.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Cyberpunk would only be improved with a chicken property manager with a vendetta against the voodoo boys Make winning a mahjong tournament a critical path requirement in cyberpunk
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Dec 24, 2020 23:33
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Turin Turambar posted:Soo.. you wanted a GTA clone. Open world interactivity in the open world game world be nice, yes. Carew posted:Make winning a mahjong tournament a critical path requirement in cyberpunk Man mahjong and pachinko mini games would rule
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Dec 24, 2020 23:34
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Bust Rodd posted:Like what? If you were a CDPR Dev and had been given 2 years to fully realize the open world of Night City, what would you have put there to keep players from feeling like there was nothing to do? Dungeons? Actual interactable NPC's (outside of story pertinent ones)? Environmental Puzzles? Random world events? Emergent gameplay? I can understand if you feel there's already plenty in the game to keep you entertained, but come on let's not pretend they've exhausted all possibilities and that there's no way to improve an open world game besides sprinkling more markers on the map that are all just variations of the same "kill five dudes and walk away". Combat Pretzel posted:I'm trying to think what for instance GTA5 does better, apart from some more diverse NPC interactions when trying to bother them. All I can think of is minigames that run quasi separate from the open world. GTAV is an open world game in which the driving does not feel like unresponsive garbage, which is good considering the amount of time you spend in a car in that game. So it has that going for it. You can also rob stores, rip off armored trucks full of cash, taxi people around the city, customize almost every vehicle you find, buy safehouses, cause general mayhem that the AI actually responds to instead of a crowd NPC's all playing the same exact canned animation, etc etc etc Look it's one thing to enjoy this game, but it's another thing entirely to try to convince other people that a game that opens with a montage placeholder for all the content they very obviously cut is fine as is and doesn't need any improvement whatsoever. I have fun with some aspects of Cyberpunk, but I really don't understand how it isn't more obvious to people that what they're playing is essentially a vertical slice that was rushed into the finishing stages of production at the sacrifice of a very large portion of the design phase. Turin Turambar posted:Soo.. you wanted a GTA clone. You don't have to rip off an entire game to take notes from the aspects it gets right, dude. There's a reason gameplay mechanics and design decisions get copied across genres and game series: That's how game design works. This is like saying The Witcher 3 is a GTA clone because it's an open world game where you 'drive' from mission marker to mission marker and GTA did that first gottagotowork fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Dec 24, 2020 23:34
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Gambling? Mini games with your choombas? Anything. Like you get to be with Jackie just enough to bond with him and he gets merced instantly. The game has pointless hooker scenes that you pay money for. That's one step away from blackjack and hookers. What would gambling really add? You say the game is already one step away from gambling and hookers. Its like, you're saying the game is bad because it doesn't have gambling, but its also bad because it does have hookers and they're pointless. Doesn't putting 2 and 2 together there draw the conclusion that if they did implement gambling, it would be shallow and feel pointless?
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Timotheous Venture posted:Any of the things that have been standard in open world games since gta 3? Robbing stores for cash and items, holding up folks on the street, car chases, random escalating encounters with enemy gangs... GTA 5 doesn't let you rob stores. You can only rob a handful of convenience stores, and the rewards are so pitiful nobody bothers doing it. And you can't really hold up people on the street either, although you can shoot them and grab  but you can do the same in Cyberpunk.You can't rob banks or any other shops outside of scripted story missions. Don't mis-represent. The standard some of y'all seem to be holding Cyberpunk to is one that would leave literally every video game ever made wanting. There is no game that does what some of you seem to want. Its just not feasible. Thus is the way of Star Citizen.
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Also for actual non bitching about this bad game content: have y’all seen this? Basically the kerenzikov hop in combination with the epic legs (from Fingers) gives you some real good vertical flying/hovering for some real fun traversal.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:37
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Open world interactivity in the open world game world be nice, yes. This game was never intended to be 'systemic gameplay' game, like having real cop chases, or anything like that. The open world is more for immersion and exploration, in service of the narrative experience. This is a narrative RPG. It's like playing Doom Eternal and complaining it isn't like Half life. Just because it looks kinda similar (first person! weapon in the corner!) doesn't mean it has to be the same style of game.
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Turin Turambar posted:Soo.. you wanted a GTA clone. I wanted the world to be fun to be in, yes.
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There is so much night city left to explore you could open up some of the inaccessible towers and create entire scenarios from that.
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columborumble posted:Look it's one thing to enjoy this game, but it's another thing entirely to try to convince other people that a game that opens with a montage placeholder for all the content they very obviously cut is fine as is and doesn't need any improvement whatsoever. yeah that's why the director's cuts of all those 80s movies are 6 hours long
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Turin Turambar posted:It's like playing Doom Eternal and complaining it isn't like Half life. Just because it looks kinda similar (first person! weapon in the corner!) doesn't mean it has to be the same style of game. Not a great comparison. Doom Eternal is a great game where the gameplay is built around getting you to play the way the devs intended and you are punished quickly and harshly if you don’t. To approach it as simply an FPS will just lead you to a bad time. Cyberpunk fails at this because it doesn’t corral you into what the devs prepares for you to do. It leaves you to wander a mostly static city without urging or punishing you for avoiding the meat of the game: it’s story
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Turin Turambar posted:This game was never intended to be 'systemic gameplay' game, like having real cop chases, or anything like that. The open world is more for immersion and exploration, in service of the narrative experience. This is a narrative RPG. Can we get some sources when people throw out what the game was 'intended' to be or not? Are you guys CDPR devs? Did you read this in a top secret pollack newspaper? If every valid criticism of something can be waved off by saying "that was intentional" well then I never intended for my posts to be good so you can't criticize them Turin Turambar posted:This is a narrative RPG. RPG's typically let you make more choices than "what ending FMV would you like to see?" No, it isn't. According to CDPR, it's an 'Action-Adventure' game.
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Zaphod42 posted:GTA 5 doesn't let you rob stores. You can only rob a handful of convenience stores, and the rewards are so pitiful nobody bothers doing it. And you can't really hold up people on the street either, although you can shoot them and grab You're right let me shoot a random person in cyberpunk for some eddies oh wait instant cops appeared before my very eyes but they have braindead ai and it can't actually lead to anything fun. Totally the same.
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Zaphod42 posted:What would gambling really add? You say the game is already one step away from gambling and hookers. Its like, you're saying the game is bad because it doesn't have gambling, but its also bad because it does have hookers and they're pointless. lol No, I'm not saying the game is bad because they didn't add gambling. Read the posts you're answering to please. Being underwhelmed doesn't mean something is bad. If they're going to add all the pointless poo poo like awkward sex scenes for virtual money and a gun closet that shows you iconics then why not add other immersive poo poo? Are you arguing for leaving this deeply immersive RPG world at the depth of a Far Cry game? Some of you really seem to have trouble understanding that people really love playing immersive RPGs like they're immersive RPGs and not just endless bespoke shooting galleries with story elements and broken RPG systems. I speak as a person who liked chilling with buddies in GTA 5. It's content and a can be a nice break of pace from the endless shooting, looting and shard reading. And I'm not arguing that the game absolutely needs any of this, I was answering a question with incredibly simple examples because the game already has similar pointless functions. Zaphod42 posted:The standard some of y'all seem to be holding Cyberpunk to is one that would leave literally every video game ever made wanting. There is no game that does what some of you seem to want. Its just not feasible. This isn't some long lost forgotten art. New Vegas was made in 18 months and had more stuff to do. You're selling the devs really short here.
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columborumble posted:Look it's one thing to enjoy this game, but it's another thing entirely to try to convince other people that a game that opens with a montage placeholder for all the content they very obviously cut is fine as is and doesn't need any improvement whatsoever. Are you talking about the montage when you first reach the city? I thought it was a very effective way of giving your character some believable background, ie. you've spent time in the city doing contracts, met some fixers, got an apartment, etc. So it makes sense that you get the calls out of the blue. columborumble posted:
Maybe, just maybe they enjoy the game for what it is instead of whatever you think it was supposed to be?
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gently caress those bd father and son duo . i loving blast them
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Kraftwerk posted:The game is awesome. My biggest complaint is no game will ever be as detailed or resemble anything like it again. LOL.
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Zeta Acosta posted:gently caress those bd father and son duo . i loving blast them Kill the son first next time
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Bust Rodd posted:Like what? If you were a CDPR Dev and had been given 2 years to fully realize the open world of Night City, what would you have put there to keep players from feeling like there was nothing to do?
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And for what it's worth, in spite of my complaints about the world lacking certain dynamics, I do like the game. I didn't follow it at all pre-release so I might've just had the wrong expectations going in. But for all the hype and the extended development period I thought that moving around Night City between missions would've been more exciting. It sure does look nice though.
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the worst part of this game is how its cybernetic implants that can replace literally every part of your body are about as interesting as the original deus ex the game is already trivial, why not just make it crazy poo poo like turning into a nanoswarm or something
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One thing I missed that would've fit nicely was the hack in Watchdogs 2 to get cops/enemy gangers to roll up on a target. Other than that I was mostly bummed Trauma Team wasn't like, an active part of the game.
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I just did the quest where the street barker sells you a special braindance and knocks you out then sells you to the same bunch of scavs who kidnapped Sandra Dorsett. You wake up buck naked in a bathtub with all your poo poo in a locker... but they apparently didn't know what kind of psychotic murderer named V they were dealing with. In the second part, I made sure to sneak up and snap the neck of every goddamn bastard in that building, and rather than pick up any weapons or clothing, when I finally got detected, I beat the rest of them to death with my bare hands, still naked out of pure rage. Once I got back to my motorcycle, I got on, drove back to the motherfucker who betrayed me, and chased him down then beat him to death with my bare hands, because the game forced me to let him go in the dialogue. I feel like CDPR undersold V's reaction to that situation.
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you cant get your money back from that quest which is kinda funny that they just made an optional quest where you get bamboozled and almost killed
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It's funny, how for the first 80 hours I didn't have that much of a problem with the game, and now that I'm trying it to finish it I'm having more issues. -I'm seeing now (since 1.05 more or less, but it could be coincidence) more car crashes, random car explosions, etc. -In a boss fight I lost the hud indicating the boss health -In of my my attempts to said boss fight, upon finishing, the movement of the mouse got somehow decoupled from the weapon. -Now I'm talking to Birgitte, and I'm having the bug of the facial animation not loading. I have seen that a few times in unnamed npcs and tertiary characters, but it's the first time I have it on the main quest on notable character.
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Are you arguing for leaving this deeply immersive RPG world at the depth of a Far Cry game? As opposed to what? The game is what it is. You arguing that it should be some mythical everything-game when no such game has or ever will exist is nonsense. It has as much depth as any other open world game does. Jeff Fatwood posted:Some of you really seem to have trouble understanding that people really love playing immersive RPGs like they're immersive RPGs and not just endless bespoke shooting galleries with story elements and broken RPG systems. I speak as a person who liked chilling with buddies in GTA 5. It's content and a can be a nice break of pace from the endless shooting, looting and shard reading. This is an immersive RPG. You can read infinite text files. Each situation has multiple approaches. You can build lots of different characters. Its a huge open world and you can stumble into cool stuff. Do you think Deus Ex isn't an immersive RPG because there's no fishing minigame?? What all does New Vegas have that this doesn't? A slot machine? That barely works?? "And I'm not arguing the game needs any of this" lmao, what 
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Basic Chunnel posted:Are we officially at the "those who can't create, critique" stage of the backlash to the backlash Its one thing to say that if you can't create you can't critique. Its another thing to say that if you can't even make a suggestion of how it could be better, then your criticism is somewhat flawed. Radical 90s Wizard posted:One thing I missed that would've fit nicely was the hack in Watchdogs 2 to get cops/enemy gangers to roll up on a target. Other than that I was mostly bummed Trauma Team wasn't like, an active part of the game. Cyberpsychosis basically does this, but its a legendary level hack. Cop call wouldn't work in dungeons/buildings/whatever but would be a nice flavor thing for the street. There's a lot of nice-to-haves we can come up with though.
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