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No Wave posted:I think the Eye is probably better than a refinement 4 frostbearer (and won't cost you any prototypes) for Ninguang. RPATDO_LAMD posted:They both have the same substat so the only difference is the passive. thank you. I'll ask again in 3 more months when they release another craftable catalyst
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Clarste posted:Honestly it's more than a little weird that they translated all these Extremely Chinese Things into Greek/Latin like Rex Lapis and Adeptus. there's also some stuff that's a little off, like how Zhongli is described as 武神 which I usually see translated in webnovels and stuff as "martial god" vs. the en's "god of war." yeah it's technically kind of correct but the two terms carry very different sets of connotations
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The english team in general seems to be given like the least resources possible, between constant mistranslated that are kinda important (like artifact/skill descriptions) or the forever screwed up thing with Childe's naming convention. Also no one just writing down how to pronounce names universally.
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I'm really not liking world level 5 that much. I put off on doing the AR35 quest, was able to run around with new characters just wasting stuff without that much effort, etc but now with WR5 it feels I hit the real grind of the game to get all the artifacts/weapons/talents upgraded. There isn't a way to drop it is there?
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Tae posted:The english team in general seems to be given like the least resources possible, between constant mistranslated that are kinda important (like artifact/skill descriptions) or the forever screwed up thing with Childe's naming convention. The translation is actually way, way higher effort than most, imo.
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Nakar posted:By not doing Anemo DPS. His physical multipliers are ridiculous for his attack speed and he can use the Crescent Pike. The clear intention is that he buffs up and does lots of Anemo-based dashes and plunges, but actually amping Anemo is fairly difficult absent constellations on Jean and Venti. Physical is somewhat easier since Xinyan can buff and shred at C4 and Zhongli may shred in 1.3, and Superconduct is a thing. Anemo MC's ult has a 20% anemo RES shred at C6. Not exactly all that practical, but it's there and everyone has it.
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BexGu posted:I'm really not liking world level 5 that much. I put off on doing the AR35 quest, was able to run around with new characters just wasting stuff without that much effort, etc but now with WR5 it feels I hit the real grind of the game to get all the artifacts/weapons/talents upgraded. There isn't a way to drop it is there? no, your only option is just not doing advancement quests. but you don't need to be uncapping your entire teams to 80 and pushing every talent to 8 etc, so maybe knowing that lessens the grind? artifacts being RNG and endlessly improvable means they'll always kinda suck but you can definitely stop at just having proper mainstats in your set at +16.
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BexGu posted:I'm really not liking world level 5 that much. I put off on doing the AR35 quest, was able to run around with new characters just wasting stuff without that much effort, etc but now with WR5 it feels I hit the real grind of the game to get all the artifacts/weapons/talents upgraded. There isn't a way to drop it is there? As long as you're half paying attention to progression it shouldn't be an issue. Are you using a team with decent synergy? WL increases just make your resin spend more efficient. They shouldn't ever be something that gates you from doing stuff.
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Had a 5* artifact that was crit dmg, crit chance, attack damage. Upgraded it and a +def popped up. Then the vast majority of upgrades enhanced the def. Is it still decent or should I hold out hope that I get something better?
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Had a 5* artifact that was crit dmg, crit chance, attack damage. Upgraded it and a +def popped up. Then the vast majority of upgrades enhanced the def. Is it still decent or should I hold out hope that I get something better? In general upgrading to +20 isn't a good use of resources unless you've got everyone on +16 artifacts anyway considering 1->16 is about the same as 16->20. You've got some pretty good substats on that, at this point you're almost certainly better off getting good +16 artifacts for your supports than you are trying to get an even better set of rolls on that one.
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It looks like it hit def twice, crit dmg once, and atk once. If you're otherwise done with crimson witch domain I'd just leave for now, you can always go back later. (Looks like a nice flower for Albedo).
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Hu Tao's voice lines are fully datamined, Rie is unhinged in this role https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/hutao/#scroll_combat_sounds
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No Wave posted:For the numbers to be close you have to ignore the anemo goblet's effect on Xiao's E, assume the crescent pike is R5, ignore entirely the benefit of larger attacks and being able to plunge, assume 100% superconduct uptime with no cost, and discount swirls entirely. JWS: 43953 damage per normal attack string, 103701 damage per Burst-boosted normal attack string, 41129 damage on Skill. CrPk: 102795 damage per normal attack string, 127002 damage per Burst-boosted normal attack string, 19964 damage on Skill. You will notice that a Physical goblet Crescent Pike is still winning even when dealing Anemo damage, albeit not by a ton, but also has an absurdly higher damage floor when the Q isn't active, in exchange for half DPS on the Skill. Trading basically 4k DPS for more than twice the damage on normal attacks seems pretty good, but I don't have the frame counts to know how fast Xiao's normal attack string cycles. Swirl is not going to make up for the difference though, especially if you have trouble keeping an element up that long when it's constantly getting Swirled off. XQ can probably manage, but most other supports won't be able to do it. Swirl may also have an internal cooldown on Xiao's basic attacks, though it shouldn't on his Skill. I wondered if maybe it was 4pc Gladiator and 2pc Viridescent just isn't worth it, so I tried JWS with that. I also tried R2 Crescent Pike: JWS (4G): 57687 damage per normal attack string, 111549 damage per Burst-boosted normal attack string, 37575 damage on Skill. CrPk (R2): 91044 damage per normal attack string, 120513 damage per Burst-boosted normal attack string, 19964 damage on Skill. Alright, that's a lot better. Still losing out on the Physical floor, which could be a factor once shredding and amping is factored in (though we could just leave Zhongli out since his buff shreds all defenses and so would help both equally). My math was incorrect that pressing Q is a DPS loss, but it's possible that it's constructively so if you have Superconduct active. Not that it matters; Physical Crescent Pike build still wins even if you do have the Burst active. So the difference wasn't as stark as I thought but Crescent Pike is still making an exceptional showing for itself even at R2. Oh, did I forget to mention that I was assuming full stacks of the JWS buff and the DMG bonus you get when you're at full stacks this whole time? Yeah so if you're not at full stacks that hot poo poo five star weapon is actually not doing so hot; you lose about 8k damage per normal attack string (12.7k when Burst is active). I wouldn't sleep on Physical Xiao, it at least looks like a viable build option.
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Tae posted:Hu Tao's voice lines are fully datamined, Rie is unhinged in this role Wow, the eng VA isn't too terrible but Rie just knocks it out of the park
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Pope Urbane II posted:As long as you're half paying attention to progression it shouldn't be an issue. Are you using a team with decent synergy? Yeah, I got a Diluc/Albedo/Bennett /Fischl. Before this banner I was running mostly a Diluc/Fischl/Barbara/Xiangling and was gonna try a suggestion of double pryo/double geo with a Diluc/Albedo/Bennett /Ningguang and some other different comps. I guess I find the game more fun just dicking around exploring so being way ahead of the power curve was really nice. Dealing with the new area with leveling 69 monsters is annoying. Really glad I finished the event when I stayed at AR35.
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Nakar posted:I had an error in my math as it turns out, but it doesn't change quite as much as I thought it did. I'm comparing a Jade Winged Spear to an R5 Crescent Pike, Anemo vs. Physical goblets, Viridescent/Gladiator vs. Full Gladiator, optimized Crit stats, no shreds or reactions assumed and no buffs outside of Xiao's own kit (except a Bennett buff of 600 ATK but they both get that so it cancels out), and the basic breakdown is:
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Nakar, does Crescent Pike still work as well if you plan to play Xiao as the sick dunkmeister? Because if you don't plunge 24/7 as him I dunno why you're playing Xiao.
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Tae posted:Hu Tao's voice lines are fully datamined, Rie is unhinged in this role per character language toggles need to be a thing
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No Wave posted:But the burst is still better even for physical build Crescent Pike. I see what you mean that going physical goblet could theoretically be better than going anemo goblet depending on how you want to play, but burst is still where you want to be especially given the burst attack size/jump height advantages. Whether the attack size expansion matters, and whether Plunging Attack DPS is significantly higher (which would throw things against 4pc Gladiator as I don't think that bonus applies to Plunging Attacks), is something I can't really calculate, but Crescent Pike and a Physical goblet seem to still have potential to exceed the overall damage of an Anemo setup even when playing the same way (although Crescent Pike I think also doesn't trigger off Plunging Attacks).
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How about that event epilogue, eh? So Albedo's master is the alchemist who made Durin. Durin is mentioned in Breeze Amidst the Forest Vol. 1 in the context of the alchemist Gold's creation of an army of "shadowy monsters" shortly after the fall of Khaenri'ah, so it seems likely that Rhinedottir is Gold. The fact that the pronouns used for Gold in Breeze Amidst the Forest Vol. 1 have been changed from "he" to "they" sometime within the past few updates provides further (weak) evidence for this theory. Either way, if Albedo's master made Durin then she's hundreds of years old. On the other hand, the wording in Breeze Amidst the Forest is a bit ambiguous as to whether Durin was one of the dark monsters Gold created, or if it simply rose up from the sea at the same time that Gold made their army. It's possible, though way less likely, that Albedo's master created Durin before Gold's time and the connection here is a red herring. Seems like a weird place to put a twist, though, considering that all this backstory is told through vague allusions in lore books most players won't know anything about. I think Rhinedottir being Gold is way more likely. Someone on reddit mentioned that with Albedo's master being tied to Durin and by extension Gold and the fall of Khaenri'ah, there seem to be some thematic connections to Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen—specifically the first opera, Das Rheingold. Kaeya's last name is Alberich, the name of the dwarf who stole the Rhinegold used to make the ring the whole opera cycle is named after and later laid a powerful curse on it. The gold itself was protected by the Rheintöchter, who were ordered to guard it by their father; interestingly, "töchter" is daughter in German, while "dottir" is daughter in Old Norse, keeping Rhinedottir's name with the Norse naming conventions GI generally uses for characters/places tied to the game's ancient past (like Dainsleif, Durin, Dvalin, the Mondstadt clans that date back to Decarabian's time, the outlander Imunlaukr, and undoubtedly more that I've forgotten about). Tae posted:Hu Tao's voice lines are fully datamined, Rie is unhinged in this role Some of these lines seem kind of...short? Nondescript? Lacking in character? I can't quite put my finger on it, but they feel like they have less personality.
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BexGu posted:Yeah, I got a Diluc/Albedo/Bennett /Fischl. Before this banner I was running mostly a Diluc/Fischl/Barbara/Xiangling and was gonna try a suggestion of double pryo/double geo with a Diluc/Albedo/Bennett /Ningguang and some other different comps. I guess I find the game more fun just dicking around exploring so being way ahead of the power curve was really nice. Dealing with the new area with leveling 69 monsters is annoying. Really glad I finished the event when I stayed at AR35. It sounds like you might be spreading yourself too thin by leveling/building too many units at once? With just Diluc and Fischl you should be able to handle the majority of the open world content. The general advice is to keep a DPS or two as close to maxed out as you can with weapon/talents/accessories and let the supports else lag farther behind.
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Nakar posted:[snip] What about the option of "build for anemo damage, but still use Crescent Pike because it's broken". If you use an Anemo goblet instead of a Phys one in that crescent pike build you'll have even higher damage during the burst window. edit: Space Opera posted:It sounds like you might be spreading yourself too thin by leveling/building too many units at once? With just Diluc and Fischl you should be able to handle the majority of the open world content. The general advice is to keep a DPS or two as close to maxed out as you can with weapon/talents/accessories and let the supports else lag farther behind. The advice on actually leveling your main carry only stays true until about level 60 or 70. After that levels get crazy expensive for not that much benefit, and it's not really worth maxing your carry out before touching the rest of the party. You should 100% still focus on getting talent levels and artifacts for them first though. And DO level up your carries to uncap their talent levels, once you have the mats for the next levels. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:What about the option of "build for anemo damage, but still use Crescent Pike because it's broken".
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But the anemo goblet will buff Xiao's attacks during the burst, which will have a greater effect than buffing the pike procs. So it won't be a DPS loss during burst, but will be a much greater DPS loss outside of burst.
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Yes. Albedo is great, as is every 4* on the banner. I strongly suggest at least getting c1 Bennett. Everyone should at least have a c1 Bennett. He's just that good.
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lurksion posted:
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Framboise posted:Yes. Albedo is great, as is every 4* on the banner. I strongly suggest at least getting c1 Bennett. Everyone should at least have a c1 Bennett. He's just that good. I have C5 Bennet but you can't make me use him! RareAcumen posted:I don't understand how you guys get so many primogems so fast. I started playing during the Klee banner and had about that many saved up by the time the Albedo banner came out. It's mostly one-time exploration and quest bonuses though.
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No Wave posted:But the anemo goblet will buff Xiao's attacks during the burst, which will have a greater effect than buffing the pike procs. So it won't be a DPS loss during burst, but will be a much greater DPS loss outside of burst. The total overall DPS is about equal between goblets though, factoring in the boost to the E damage. They're pretty competitive and it'd probably just come down to which one you had better substats for, with a slight edge to Anemo% at lower Crescent Pike refinements.
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Nakar posted:The Crescent Pike's extra hit scales off Physical DMG% so switching to an Anemo DMG% goblet is a DPS loss. Even with the Burst active, Xiao's Anemo normals will still proc Physical Crescent Pike hits. Unless those are also converted to Anemo, but I doubt it since other weapons that proc Physical hits don't work that way; if they are then yeah you probably want to swap goblets. Looking at the wiki here, Xiao's attack string at talent level 6 is 8 hits long and does 542% total attack damage. A rank 20 Anemo goblet increases that by 46.6%, so it adds 253% ATK worth of damage to your rotation. A refinement 5 crescent pike will do 320% atk over those 8 hits. A rank 20 Phys% goblet increases that by 58.3%, so it adds 187% ATK worth of damage to your rotation. Since these % increases only apply to the base damage, we can ignore all other anemo or phys bonuses while comparing them. Even with R5 crescent pike, and ignoring all damage from skills, an anemo goblet gives you more damage than a phys goblet during the ult buff.
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I don't whale at all (learned my lesson on that way back in October), just Welkin Moon and Battle Pass, and I've quite easily managed to get every banner 5* so far (on approximately 75-pull pity each time, Venti aside since I rerolled for him), short of Zhongli since I didn't really want him. I'm easily on track to get Ganyu day 1. You just gotta do all your dailies every day and all your quests (drain every gem out of every event too!) and it just comes naturally. Hell, I'm not even playing optimally because I don't even have the patience to minmax every abyss floor as they reset. Framboise fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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Framboise posted:I don't whale at all (learned my lesson on that way back in October), just Welkin Moon and Battle Pass, and I've quite easily managed to get every banner 5* so far (on approximately 75-pull pity each time, Venti aside since I rerolled for him), short of Zhongli since I didn't really want him. I'm easily on track to get Ganyu day 1. You just gotta do all your dailies every day and all your quests (drain every gem out of every event too!) and it just comes naturally. Ah, you're not f2p and getting the 2700 and 640 primogem packs every month too. Okay, that explains it.
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Framboise posted:I don't whale at all (learned my lesson on that way back in October), just Welkin Moon and Battle Pass, and I've quite easily managed to get every banner 5* so far (on approximately 75-pull pity each time, Venti aside since I rerolled for him), short of Zhongli since I didn't really want him. I'm easily on track to get Ganyu day 1. You just gotta do all your dailies every day and all your quests (drain every gem out of every event too!) and it just comes naturally. That's still pretty lucky! After 75-90ish pulls you're guaranteed to get some 5*, but there's only a 50% that it'll be the banner's featured one.
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Is there decent lore repository somewhere? I've gotten used to just skipping dialogue since I couldn't make hide nor hair of whats going on most of the time. But I might make some effort to actually watch dialogue if I knew some background.
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RareAcumen posted:Ah, you're not f2p and getting the 2700 and 640 primogem packs every month too. Okay, that explains it. No, I'm not f2p, but I'm also not blowing fat stacks on the game like I have for other gacha games (because it's literally not worth it in Genshin). The Battle Pass actually has very little impact on wishes imo-- there's still about a week left on this current banner and I'm one 4* away from soft pity on a 5* where I stop pulling, waiting for the next banner. The Battle Pass just gets me there just a liiiiiiittle bit faster-- I get that more for the hero's wits and mora more than anything else. RPATDO_LAMD posted:That's still pretty lucky! After 75-90ish pulls you're guaranteed to get some 5*, but there's only a 50% that it'll be the banner's featured one. I am waiting for the backfire where I don't get the banner 5* and I get a dupe Qiqi or something. That's gonna be a sad day but again, I usually get more than enough to stop early in each banner in preparation for the next, so I can just keep going and grab the 5* and shift my expectations to getting the next 5* at the end of the banner after that rather than at the start.
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:Is there decent lore repository somewhere? I've gotten used to just skipping dialogue since I couldn't make hide nor hair of whats going on most of the time. But I might make some effort to actually watch dialogue if I knew some background. There should be a decent story recap repository somewhere in the menus where you can go back and read (and even listen to) past dialogues.
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