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redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters
lol

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Wakko
Jun 9, 2002
Faboo!

Accretionist posted:

There's always more and it's always worse.

who would have guessed we locked in catastrophic climate change after rocketing past Pliocene levels of atmospheric CO2

how could anyone have predicted this

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Wakko posted:

who would have guessed we locked in catastrophic climate change after rocketing past Pliocene levels of atmospheric CO2

how could anyone have predicted this

tbqh this was always something that I had wondered about and never really knew where to ask

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


TeenageArchipelago posted:

tbqh this was always something that I had wondered about and never really knew where to ask

if you want the real doomer poo poo, go lurk on the arctic sea ice forums for awhile, eventually the numbers will make sense and then shortly afterwards the endless internal screaming ramps up in intensity

totally different posting climate though, probably best to just lurk if you do check it out

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


blatman posted:

totally different posting climate though, probably best to just lurk if you do check it out
look at the jokester here

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

hey what are we laughing ab- oh god

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

falafel is def. #1, for veggie patties you can get at the store i like quorn, dr praeggers (preggers lol), there's one at target that's literally just vegetables, i forget the name, but one is dark green because it's mostly broccoli, one is dark red (I think that's radish or beets), etc. morningstar is pretty meh

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Broccoli- and beet-flavored falafel? That sounds potentially good.

wolfs
Jul 17, 2001

posted by squid gang

gay_crimes posted:

just eat lentils and beans. stop pulling stuff out of the ocean you freaks, it's radioactive and dying

everything is kind of radioactive and dying though

e: 4 degrees! there’s a great song by anohni about this

wolfs has issued a correction as of 06:17 on Jan 8, 2021

LibCrusher
Jan 6, 2019

by Fluffdaddy

wolfs posted:

everything is kind of radioactive and dying though

e: 4 degrees! there’s a great song by anohni about this

there is no such thing as a great anohni song

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

https://ourworldindata.org/energy

There's nothing surprising here but I thought all this being laid out in graphs was funny.

In 1980, fossil fuels were 91% of energy use.

In 1990, fossil fuels were 87.4%..

In 2000, fossil fuels were 86.1%.

In 2010, fossil fuels were 86.6%.

in 2019, fossil fuels were 84.3%.

In a mere forty years we have ever more slowly reduced the fossil fuel mix in the economy by nearly 7% at the incredibly paltry cost of increasing fossil fuel consumption twice over.

All data ultimately sourced from BP's annual energy reports.

:laffo:

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



I was thinking how in Interstellar there's great detail of how the farmers are eating nothing but various corn dishes. If I ever make a movie set in the near future, the protagonists will eat an inordinate amount of bean curd biscuits. I love them but there's something that feels vaguely Dystopian Future about a delicious featureless puck of protein and fibre.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Ban the car, ban the plane, gulag any who complain

Anyway, new thread title please.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
An actually-delicious nutri-puck would be the opposite of dystopian, tbqh.

Hairy Marionette
Apr 22, 2005

I am not immune to propaganda

Tubgoat posted:

An actually-delicious nutri-puck would be the opposite of dystopian, tbqh.

have you tried bean curd biscuits? I hear good things.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Hairy Marionette posted:

have you tried bean curd biscuits? I hear good things.

I guess I will now. There a difference between bean curd and tofu?

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Tubgoat posted:

I guess I will now. There a difference between bean curd and tofu?

They are made somewhat differently, but the ingredients are similar. Two good brands are Zuming and Zhen Xiang, look in an Asian grocery store. It owns, basically vegan jerky for under $1 per 100 grams. And way better in terms of carbon emissions than beef jerky!

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Chamale posted:

They are made somewhat differently, but the ingredients are similar. Two good brands are Zuming and Zhen Xiang, look in an Asian grocery store. It owns, basically vegan jerky for under $1 per 100 grams. And way better in terms of carbon emissions than beef jerky!

Oh that sounds loving excellent. Say, where do I get mushroom jerky? PETA gave some out at the college I was attending a long while back and it was one of the more delicious things I've ever eaten.

That said, gently caress PETA.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Tubgoat posted:

Oh that sounds loving excellent. Say, where do I get mushroom jerky? PETA gave some out at the college I was attending a long while back and it was one of the more delicious things I've ever eaten.

That said, gently caress PETA.

You could try Whole Foods but I have no idea where you'd get inexpensive mushroom jerky. Whereas bean curd biscuits are under $1/100g, mushroom jerky is more like $20/100g and doesn't taste as good.

PETA are basically vegan-themed grifters, they care more about shock value than helping animals. They know some good vegan food, though.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
I saw it online from whole foods when I was searching for it. There's a newer company out of Portland making it and I want to try it pretty bad

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
I did expect mushroom jerky would be expensive but dayum.

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Tubgoat posted:

Oh that sounds loving excellent. Say, where do I get mushroom jerky? PETA gave some out at the college I was attending a long while back and it was one of the more delicious things I've ever eaten.

That said, gently caress PETA.

Holy crap, I had no idea there was such a thing as mushroom jerky! AND THERE'S RECIPES!!!

A couple of years ago I started a Stropharia (Garden Giant, Winecaps) bed under one of our hedgerows. I had no idea what I was doing so the bed is way too big for our needs. (There are only three meals in a day so I'm limited in the number of mushroom omelettes I can eat.) That will change if they make good jerky.

A little something to enjoy while I watch the forests burn.

Heavy Sleeper
May 30, 2020
get ready for some fun weather

Pooky
Aug 29, 2004

I post fox news so u don't have to 💋
https://twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1348123013816999936

Reverend Zero
Mar 8, 2006

burning fossil fuels to fart the exhaust onto a windmill is some good poo poo

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
In the US it will be fueled by F-350s but they'll periodically hit them on purpose instead of letting them socialize the wind from their lovely bricks on wheels.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Hexigrammus posted:

Holy crap, I had no idea there was such a thing as mushroom jerky! AND THERE'S RECIPES!!!

A couple of years ago I started a Stropharia (Garden Giant, Winecaps) bed under one of our hedgerows. I had no idea what I was doing so the bed is way too big for our needs. (There are only three meals in a day so I'm limited in the number of mushroom omelettes I can eat.) That will change if they make good jerky.

A little something to enjoy while I watch the forests burn.

how are stropharia, anyway? been thinking about trying to get some going in my next garden, planning to mulch the paths with woodchips and then innoculate the paths. are they tasty?

do you do any other garden mushrooms?

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
wheres my loving 2mw home reactor?! this shut sucks

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

IAMKOREA posted:

how are stropharia, anyway? been thinking about trying to get some going in my next garden, planning to mulch the paths with woodchips and then innoculate the paths. are they tasty?

do you do any other garden mushrooms?

Wonderful. Classic mushroom with a bit of earthy/potato undertaste. Very robust, they don't just fade away into whatever you're cooking. Unfortunately my wife reacts to them - they burn the roof of her mouth the same way an extra-hot pot of chili does. Always good to do a small test with a new species of mushroom just in case you're one of a small percentage that don't get along with it.

I've tried shiitake, a couple of species of oyster, and chicken of the woods using logs and inoculated plugs. Dismal failures all. Chicken of the woods produced an orange colour on the end of the plugs and that was it. I'm going to try again with shiitake using sterilized wood chips in containers this spring. The fungus will not defeat me!

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


you would think fungii would be the easiest thing to grow

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Hexigrammus posted:

Wonderful. Classic mushroom with a bit of earthy/potato undertaste. Very robust, they don't just fade away into whatever you're cooking. Unfortunately my wife reacts to them - they burn the roof of her mouth the same way an extra-hot pot of chili does. Always good to do a small test with a new species of mushroom just in case you're one of a small percentage that don't get along with it.

I've tried shiitake, a couple of species of oyster, and chicken of the woods using logs and inoculated plugs. Dismal failures all. Chicken of the woods produced an orange colour on the end of the plugs and that was it. I'm going to try again with shiitake using sterilized wood chips in containers this spring. The fungus will not defeat me!

awesome, have you read mycellium running by paul stamets? you'd like it if you haven't.

do you grow corn? stropharia are supposed to do really well next to corn (and vice versa)

Complications
Jun 19, 2014


pff who needs a polar vortex anyway

kids these days are too soft with all that 'unprecedentedly and unseasonably warm weather' going on that has no discernable cause, the lazy shits need some snow to shovel in winter and this is just the thing to make 'em sweat

ptkfvk
Apr 30, 2013

what are bean curd biscuts? im intrigued.

i may try to grow some of those mushrooms.

i started ministry of the future. i love it so far. the opening heatwave is going to be crazy to watch once it happens the first time

ptkfvk has issued a correction as of 18:27 on Jan 10, 2021

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



ptkfvk posted:

what are bean curd biscuts? im intrigued.

Food of the future!



100 grams contains 300 calories and 15 grams of protein. By contrast, 100 grams of beef contains 290 calories and 26 grams of protein.

A 100-gram serving requires 50 grams of CO2 equivalent to produce. Producing a 100-gram serving of beef requires 1,600 to 10,000 grams of CO2 equivalent, depending on the methods used. The average in American is 7,100.

MightyBigMinus
Jan 26, 2020

and how many of those grams are carbs and of those how many are straight up sugar

if you say >10 for the first (since this is but 300 cal) and or >5 for the second then enjoy your candy but 0% delude yourself about it being healthy and therefore a useful tool in improving global nutrition

making something technically vegetarian and basically just candy is just another version of "fruit juice"

edit: I tried answering my own question, could not find a good answer, but this page has some great numbers:
https://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/beancurd-roll-1206041416

MightyBigMinus has issued a correction as of 21:09 on Jan 10, 2021

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



MightyBigMinus posted:

and how many of those grams are carbs and of those how many are straight up sugar

if you say >10 for the first (since this is but 300 cal) and or >5 for the second then enjoy your candy but 0% delude yourself about it being healthy and therefore a useful tool in improving global nutrition

making something technically vegetarian and basically just candy is just another version of "fruit juice"

edit: I tried answering my own question, could not find a good answer, but this page has some great numbers:
https://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/beancurd-roll-1206041416

It's jerky, not a cookie. I know "biscuit" is misleading. According to the label, each bag has 23 grams of fat, 15 grams of protein, and 9 grams of cards including 0.5 grams of sugar.

Also, I'm not saying this is the only food of the future like mangosteens or whatever, it's just a good example of cheap good food that is orders of magnitude better than meat.

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters

i think i remember something about these reducing the efficiency of the vehicles using the highway by doing fucky stuff with aerodynamics? not sure if that was just speculation somewhere though. regardless, this is some insanely trivial and performative bullshit

MightyBigMinus
Jan 26, 2020

Chamale posted:

It's jerky, not a cookie. I know "biscuit" is misleading. According to the label, each bag has 23 grams of fat, 15 grams of protein, and 9 grams of cards including 0.5 grams of sugar.

Also, I'm not saying this is the only food of the future like mangosteens or whatever, it's just a good example of cheap good food that is orders of magnitude better than meat.

yea those numbers are actually pretty good, not like keto good but "moderately low carb" good. shame, not available in either of my grocery delivery options.

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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

redleader posted:

i think i remember something about these reducing the efficiency of the vehicles using the highway by doing fucky stuff with aerodynamics? not sure if that was just speculation somewhere though. regardless, this is some insanely trivial and performative bullshit

I find it hard to believe that the total co2 cost of manufacturing, deployment and maintenance of these things plus the implicit co2 cost of the vehicles that power them is less than the co2 equivalent of the energy they produce if done in non-green power station.

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