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Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!
If you need a trolley every time, but a trolley isn’t always made available, wouldn’t it be time to invest in a trolley?

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Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!
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Boywhiz88 posted:

If you need a trolley every time, but a trolley isn’t always made available, wouldn’t it be time to invest in a trolley?

Ask any philosopher and they'll tell you: you can't solve the Trolley problem. Can't be done

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!

Steakandchips posted:

Take the delivery company to task for their employee refusing to let you use the trolley you are contractually allowed to use, and if the driver is contractually obliged to help you move product, take them to task for him refusing to do that as well.

In short, moan about it to the delivery company till they improve things.

Yes, gently caress over the underpaid delivery driver for not doing your backbreaking work for you instead of having staff on hand to help you unload and buying a loving hundred dollar dolly from Staples. Just because some drivers volunteer to help, it doesn't mean others have that obligation or are bad people for not doing so.

I will never understand this bullshit of wanting to make other workers' lives worse instead of fighting to improve your own lovely situation.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

I agree, it just seems ghoulish and petty.

Celebrating nazi death in 2021 is the opposite of ghoulish and petty. Angelic, and... magnanimous

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
DING DING DING GOES THE TROLLEY

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

Pope Corky the IX posted:

DING DING DING GOES THE TROLLEY

Uh, excuse me, it's CLANG CLANG CLANG GOES THE TROLLEY, DING DING DING GOES THE BELL.

captainOrbital
Jan 23, 2003

Wrathchild!
💢🧒
goddamnit corky get your poo poo together

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

I agree, it just seems ghoulish and petty.

He was also a hedge-fund manager, if that eases your mind.

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qmudzyoqZL1r0uzl6.mp4

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
There are no trolleys where I live...

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

lidnsya posted:

Yes, gently caress over the underpaid delivery driver for not doing your backbreaking work for you instead of having staff on hand to help you unload and buying a loving hundred dollar dolly from Staples. Just because some drivers volunteer to help, it doesn't mean others have that obligation or are bad people for not doing so.

I will never understand this bullshit of wanting to make other workers' lives worse instead of fighting to improve your own lovely situation.

Why the gently caress are you banging on about volunteering? Which part of "if the driver is contractually obliged to help you move product, take them to task for him refusing to do that as well." did you not understand?

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Aginor posted:

I think the pay is fine. If you're paid to do a job then you should do what is contractually obliged.

I carried it because I am doing two jobs: GM and kitchen manager. I have no expectations that any of my staff members should have to come in at 7am to take in a delivery especially solo. Aces in places so I take in all deliveries, do my management role and then run the kitchen. It's not ideal but hospitality is struggling and by me chosing to do this and doing around 60 hours a week than I can deploy more hours to my hourly staff. People struggle and if I can do something to help then I will. Most drivers will help out but some choose to refuse to provide their trolley and will stand and watch you while talking on their phones. So if you're getting paid 30k+ to do that then good on you I suppose.

Have you considered that if your situation requires you to work 60 hours a week to keep the place together, then you're getting hosed by management farther up the line and you should stop putting your body on the line for their profits.

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007




Weatherman : Recite your baseline.

'K' : And blood-black nothingness began to spin... A system of derails interlinked within derails interlinked within derails interlinked within one thread... And dreadfully distinct against the dark, a short toddler played.

Weatherman : Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : Have you ever kicked a little kid? Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : Do they punch you in the face? Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : When you're not kicking children do you talk on your phone? Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : What's it like to defend slavery? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Did they teach you how to hate spreadsheets? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Do you long for 5 more pages of shitposts? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Do you dream about the thread being locked due to shitposts?

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : What's it like to kick a child in a McDonalds? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Do you feel that there's a part of you that's missing? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Within derails, shitposts.

'K' : Within derails, shitposts.

Weatherman : Why don't you say that three times: Within derails, shitposts.

'K' : Within derails, shitposts. Within derails, shitposts. Within derails, shitposts.

Weatherman : We're done... Constant K, you can pick up your bonus.

'K' : Thank you, sir.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

yikes

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Ornamental Dingbat posted:




Weatherman : Recite your baseline.

'K' : And blood-black nothingness began to spin... A system of derails interlinked within derails interlinked within derails interlinked within one thread... And dreadfully distinct against the dark, a short toddler played.

Weatherman : Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : Have you ever kicked a little kid? Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : Do they punch you in the face? Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : When you're not kicking children do you talk on your phone? Derail.

'K' : Derail.

Weatherman : Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : What's it like to defend slavery? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Did they teach you how to hate spreadsheets? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Do you long for 5 more pages of shitposts? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Do you dream about the thread being locked due to shitposts?

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : What's it like to kick a child in a McDonalds? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Do you feel that there's a part of you that's missing? Shitposts.

'K' : Shitposts.

Weatherman : Within derails, shitposts.

'K' : Within derails, shitposts.

Weatherman : Why don't you say that three times: Within derails, shitposts.

'K' : Within derails, shitposts. Within derails, shitposts. Within derails, shitposts.

Weatherman : We're done... Constant K, you can pick up your bonus.

'K' : Thank you, sir.

:bravo:

Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Steakandchips posted:

Take the delivery company to task for their employee refusing to let you use the trolley you are contractually allowed to use, and if the driver is contractually obliged to help you move product, take them to task for him refusing to do that as well.

In short, moan about it to the delivery company till they improve things.

I did indeed. It wasn't a problem after this.


Boywhiz88 posted:

If you need a trolley every time, but a trolley isn’t always made available, wouldn’t it be time to invest in a trolley?

I did this too. They sent the wrong kind of trolley.


PurpleXVI posted:

Have you considered that if your situation requires you to work 60 hours a week to keep the place together, then you're getting hosed by management farther up the line and you should stop putting your body on the line for their profits.

Every day but I'm not the kind of manager who will turn around and keep the poo poo flowing. I get more out of happy staff even if that means I have to juggle a few more balls during this pandemic.

Dumb Sex-Parrot
Dec 25, 2020

Biplane posted:

Celebrating nazi death in 2021 is the opposite of ghoulish and petty. Angelic, and... magnanimous

Please take the high road you stupid rear end in a top hat, you complete idiot.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Aginor, you're doing the right thing.

dog nougat
Apr 8, 2009
:one:
:gas:

Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Steakandchips posted:

Aginor, you're doing the right thing.

I like to believe I am.

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Please take the high road you stupid rear end in a top hat, you complete idiot.

no

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Imagine having decorum more restrictive than Clarence Darrow had a century ago.

quote:

I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Please take the high road you stupid rear end in a top hat, you complete idiot.

They have.

prayer group
May 31, 2011

$#$%^&@@*!!!
The ersatz insurrectionist who shot himself in the chest in his home was facing only a misdemeanor unlawful entry charge. Killing yourself rather than facing that is, in fact, very funny.

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!

Steakandchips posted:

Why the gently caress are you banging on about volunteering? Which part of "if the driver is contractually obliged to help you move product, take them to task for him refusing to do that as well." did you not understand?

You're the one making up the contractually obligated bit. The driver did the job they were paid to do.

OP is the GM and choosing to work an extra 20 hours a week for free instead of paying their employees to work those hours, while claiming to care about their wellbeing.

They have now decided to steal labour from a different company altogether instead of paying their own employees and/or purchasing the equipment to make it easier to do the work themselves that they refuse to pay a person to do.

By all means keep patting yourself on the back for making life worse for the drivers at that company instead of standing up for yourself and your own workers, aginor.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Please take the high road you stupid rear end in a top hat, you complete idiot.

The only reason to take the high road is so you can take a better shot.

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

prayer group posted:

The ersatz insurrectionist who shot himself in the chest in his home was facing only a misdemeanor unlawful entry charge. Killing yourself rather than facing that is, in fact, very funny.

They're federal charges- they tend to turn into more severe charges once they reach the grand jury stage.

https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1348405066814799872?s=20

Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

lidnsya posted:

Yes, gently caress over the underpaid delivery driver for not doing your backbreaking work for you instead of having staff on hand to help you unload and buying a loving hundred dollar dolly from Staples. Just because some drivers volunteer to help, it doesn't mean others have that obligation or are bad people for not doing so.

I will never understand this bullshit of wanting to make other workers' lives worse instead of fighting to improve your own lovely situation.

Don't think you got my comment, mate.

Fact of the matter is, it's within their contract to place the stock where we need it. We put it away from there. It's backbreaking manual labour for everyone but we help each other out generally. Most of the time I'm giving them a coffee and having a smoke after all the hard yakka is done.

Labour budgets don't afford me the luxury of having a chain gang of staff to take in deliveries. Labour budgets don't afford me to hire staff. But instead of saying, "My contracted hours is 45, you kitchen guys do 60 hours a week because you're paid per hour", I do the extras so I can staff up on the days I need off and nobody does more then they're willing or able to do. Me doing things like this meant I could prevent a transfer's job from being stopped and I could get her on the books and pay her something so she wouldn't go without during this lockdown. 9 hours pay for a 2 hour day because I can pick up the slack.

I don't think I'm making anyone else's life difficult to improve my own lovely situation. I've made my management bed and I will sleep in it.

Edit: also the drivers are on similar money to me. £30k-£36k

Aginor fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jan 13, 2021

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

prayer group posted:

The ersatz insurrectionist who shot himself in the chest in his home was facing only a misdemeanor unlawful entry charge. Killing yourself rather than facing that is, in fact, very funny.

They are issuing arrest warrants for slam dunk petty charges so they keep them under lock / on bail as they build the real case. The FBI has announced it's going to seek sentences of up to 20 years when possible.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Please take the high road you stupid rear end in a top hat, you complete idiot.

:wooper:

Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

steinrokkan posted:

They are issuing arrest warrants for slam dunk petty charges so they keep them under lock / on bail as they build the real case. The FBI has announced it's going to seek sentences of up to 20 years when possible.

Hopefully they get the guy who lobbed a fire extinguisher. Hate to be that fudd right now.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Aginor posted:

Don't think you got my comment, mate.

Fact of the matter is, it's within their contract to place the stock where we need it. We put it away from there. It's backbreaking manual labour for everyone but we help each other out generally. Most of the time I'm giving them a coffee and having a smoke after all the hard yakka is done.

Labour budgets don't afford me the luxury of having a chain gang of staff to take in deliveries. Labour budgets don't afford me to hire staff. But instead of saying, "My contracted hours is 45, you kitchen guys do 60 hours a week because you're paid per hour", I do the extras so I can staff up on the days I need off and nobody does more then they're willing or able to do. Me doing things like this meant I could prevent a transfer's job from being stopped and I could get her on the books and pay her something so she wouldn't go without during this lockdown. 9 hours pay for a 2 hour day because I can pick up the slack.

I don't think I'm making anyone else's life difficult to improve my own lovely situation. I've made my management bed and I will sleep in it.

Edit: also the drivers are on similar money to me. £30k-£36k

Don't bother explaining it to him, he's functionally illiterate.

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Sep 7, 2014

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Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Please take the high road you stupid rear end in a top hat, you complete idiot.

https://youtu.be/dKohD_RLnFw?t=87

Roblo
Dec 10, 2007

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Aginor posted:

Hopefully they get the guy who lobbed a fire extinguisher. Hate to be that fudd right now.

They've identified him. There are pictures. That guy is capital F hosed.

Also them starting with small charges and ramping up has the beneficial side effect that the president with the pardon power will be gone by the time the big guns come out.

Jabberlock
Nov 29, 2014



muscles like this! posted:

Yeah, a Youtuber I follow recently signed up for the DVD plan from Netflix because he discovered that there's a lot of stuff on there that just isn't really available anywhere else. Like the OJ Simpson "prank" show.

My favorite schad relating to Netflix (from Wikipedia):

"In 2000, when Netflix had just about 300,000 subscribers and relied on the US Postal Service for the delivery of their DVDs, their losses would total $57 million and offered to be acquired by Blockbuster for $50 million. They proposed that Netflix, which would be renamed as Blockbuster.com, would handle the online business, while Blockbuster would take care of the DVDs, making them less dependent on the US Postal Service. The offer was declined."

Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Steakandchips posted:

Don't bother explaining it to him, he's functionally illiterate.

I would swap shoes with him for a day and we'll see how he goes about it. I do my job for the love of my team, even if they don't get why I do the things I do. I once won a trip to France and gave it to a staff member who was having a hard time and she put the knife in my back down the line. Would I go back and change that decision? Nope. She needed it. And I sure as hell didn't want to get drunk with the higher ups.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Roblo posted:

They've identified him. There are pictures. That guy is capital F hosed.

Also them starting with small charges and ramping up has the beneficial side effect that the president with the pardon power will be gone by the time the big guns come out.

Trump, Jan 19th. "I hearby pardon anyone and everyone involved in any aspect of criminal activity for the storming of the capital building and the events leading up to it, as well as all members of my cabinet and all Trump family members, myself included."

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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Roblo posted:

Also them starting with small charges and ramping up has the beneficial side effect that the president with the pardon power will be gone by the time the big guns come out.

It doesn’t work that way, at least in precedent. People can be pardoned for vague, uncharged offenses. Entire groups can be pardoned.

We’re in uncharted waters and it’s possible that the Supreme Court say “actually, you can’t foment a coup on another branch of government and pardon everyone involved”. But it won’t be on the technicality that charges have not yet been filed.

Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

DandyLion posted:

Trump, Jan 19th. "I hearby pardon anyone and everyone involved in any aspect of criminal activity for the storming of the capital building and the events leading up to it, as well as all members of my cabinet and all Trump family members, myself included."

It's a pure cult of personality that these people haven't abandoned him after he played it down after it happened.

Plus, didn't he try to reverse Chelsea Mannings pardon? Surely he set a precedence of pardon's being up for appeal?

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Aginor posted:

But instead of saying, "My contracted hours is 45, you kitchen guys do 60 hours a week because you're paid per hour", I do the extras so I can staff up on the days I need off and nobody does more then they're willing or able to do.

Perhaps the answer is no one does 60 hours a week and if management bitches about it, shrug and tell them to increase the budget for staffing.

You're not suffering for your coworkers' or employees' benefit, you're suffering for management's benefit.

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Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

PurpleXVI posted:

Perhaps the answer is no one does 60 hours a week and if management bitches about it, shrug and tell them to increase the budget for staffing.

You're not suffering for your coworkers' or employees' benefit, you're suffering for management's benefit.

As I say, brother. There's more involved then standing firm. My restaurant was a problem restaurant when I took over it and only turned the corner prior to the initial lockdown. They've closed over 100 of our restaurants during all this upheaval and I'm going to do what it takes it keep it open and keep the staff in work considering that the city I live in is sparse on jobs. If it were to close then I could gently caress off anywhere I want. My staff and their families don't have that luxury.

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