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Fortaleza posted:Bernie would've had massive changes to who actually comes out to vote, which is how you win elections since swing voters that change their mind aren't real. i mean you say that but the primary doesn't really instill a lot of confidence in that. idk how you break people out of the concept that voting is worthless because the government doesnt do poo poo for you.
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I'd love to believe that Bernie would have gotten tons of votes if he actually won the primary but honestly I'm not convinced. I still want to believe that Americans would eventually like universal healthcare but people's brains are so poisoned against "socialism" that I think that it would probably take like 10+ years for people to finally accept it. If you just look at SA it seems like Bernie had much more momentum and it's easy to imagine that all Americans think the same way, but that probably isn't actually the case.
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Poopernickel posted:Agreed, Hillary was deeply unpopular with an awful lot of people. She represented business-as-usual politics: old-school nepotism and political dynasty. Rule by and for the elite. She was exactly the same flavor of bullshit that had eroded the country for decades. The same kind of person that writes off half of the country as chuds and idiots. also, republicans have hated her like poison since 1992, and never stopped hating her loudly
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prefect posted:also, republicans have hated her like poison since 1992, and never stopped hating her loudly same
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Poopernickel posted:The same kind of person that writes off half of the country as chuds and idiots. so brazenly so that she was comfortable saying it out loud
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prefect posted:also, republicans have hated her like poison since 1992, and never stopped hating her loudly
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It's been pretty funny watching Republicans about-face so hard and fast on the government telling businesses who they have to serve the moment it affected white people instead of protected classes.
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klosterdev posted:It's been pretty funny watching Republicans about-face so hard and fast on the government telling businesses who they have to serve the moment it affected white people instead of protected classes.
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I did a bunch of phone calling for Bernie and I don't regret a second of it. he was the best candidate and stood a real chance of winning. arguing about whether he would have won or not is useless because that battle is over, though.
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mystes posted:It's too bad there aren't any liberal Christians anymore because it would be cool if some bakery refused to make cakes for chuds on religious moral grounds now. ngl, I would love that
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Jan 13, 2021 22:00
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the culture war was incredibly successful at turning nearly all american christians into reactionaries
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feel like at this point biden should just have a private inauguration ceremony and they televise it. otherwise it's going to be live from fortress dc while he rattles on about how free we are or some poo poo. if it takes 20k guards to secure what's even the point
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the point is  it's an odd time to suddenly decide that pointless displays of pomp and ceremony are excessive and wasteful and unnecessary. they are, but that's american as hell.
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President Beep posted:chuds are chuds, and having bernie sanders as the dem candidate wouldn't have automatically made some good people, but they're also often motivated by very tangible things that immediately affect them, and having someone run for president that promises real benefits for the working class (or parts thereof) resonates with them. https://academictimes.com/party-supporters-shift-views-to-match-partisan-stances/ I don’t disagree, but it also seems like there’s plenty of evidence to show most people follow a party and subscribe to the values of that party, not the other way around, and I don’t think it’s necessarily true to say chuds gonna chud, it’s just that they were raised in america where they’ve been fed that poo poo by their party for decades and it’s now who they are. as it turns out, I personally could do a better job running for pres. I know the right words to say etc
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echinopsis posted:https://academictimes.com/party-supporters-shift-views-to-match-partisan-stances/ Surprised this isn't obvious to more people. Isn't that kind of the whole idea of a political leader - to lead the people and shape their beliefs? Chuds don't happen in a vacuum. Somebody told them that they need to stock up on guns, or else lose their way of life. Somebody else told them that democrats are the enemy who hate Jesus. And also that they should love Jesus. Humans as a species are tribe animals that follow leaders, it's not the other way around and it never has been. Hot take: 99% of us aren't in line for the iron throne. We're the chattel with zero control over our leaders. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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in america the most popular narratives are "both parties are the same" vs. "the republicans are criminal bullies and the democrats are feckless pussies" which are somehow both more true than I'd like
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they're both aspects of the business party, but the gop is the more triangle shirtwaist, insane racist part of that
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mystes posted:I'd love to believe that Bernie would have gotten tons of votes if he actually won the primary but honestly I'm not convinced. I still want to believe that Americans would eventually like universal healthcare but people's brains are so poisoned against "socialism" that I think that it would probably take like 10+ years for people to finally accept it. there are tons of surveys that show broad support for socialist policies when they're pitched neutrally and not when you use the S word, i.e. "do you agree that the government should ensure everyone who needs medical care gets it" vs "do you support socialized medicine"
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Jan 13, 2021 23:01
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yeah, american socialists should rebrand to like freedomists or something
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brand it as SUPER CAPITALISM that will give everyone the FREEDOM to start a business and create jobs, and make unions totally pointless and die
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psiox posted:cryptochuds this is some bullshit "you're disagreeing with me therefore you must be evil"
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lol even if the lefts stance was “you need to pay out of your pocket, cash, not credit card, for health before you get any treatment, you can sell a kidney over the road if you need to first” the right would still call it socialism because socialism in america just means “bad stuff the left is into”
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antifa should rebrand as The Muscle Patriots
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i’m wondering if TRUMP!!! is going to cause a schism and realignment in politics ala the civil rights act
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Nomnom Cookie posted:this is some bullshit "you're disagreeing with me therefore you must be evil" sorry, i should've clarified that i think people are unwitting vectors of chud propaganda (something can have a kernel of truth in it and still be propaganda). i don't actually think many on-the-down-low chud antagonizers are present here. that said both sidesism /is/ a virulent strain of motte-and-bailey propaganda
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Im awaiting the qanon party to split from the GOP and just become our even more openly fascist party. then we can treat them with kid gloves in the name of decorum as they do terrorisms
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Jonny 290 posted:antifa should rebrand as The Muscle Patriots
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Jonny 290 posted:antifa should rebrand as The Muscle Patriots
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realistically what can either side of the government do to “fix” middle america? or middle anywhere for that matter? trump could never have bought back those coal jobs but the solution isn’t teaching them to code. is there even a solution that isn’t turn it into a ghost town
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don't blame me, i voted for Fraven Pooth
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lmao also looking at the transcript of trump’s speech it’s the first that actually looks loving normal and isn’t coded mob boss talk. i’m guessing he’s actually scared now and is finally realizing he hosed up
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echinopsis posted:realistically what can either side of the government do to “fix” middle america? or middle anywhere for that matter? relocate everyone and let nature reclaim it all
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The Fool posted:relocate everyone and let nature reclaim it all we need archologies now.
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city-states connected by high-speed rail
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lol echinopsis posted:realistically what can either side of the government do to “fix” middle america? or middle anywhere for that matter? actually fairly tax rich people and pay for a welfare state
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bump_fn posted:lol i support the fair tax! (defined as eye wateringly progressive)
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