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Deus Ex was good, no argument, it's just the quickhacks and time dilation that make things different. edit: And yeah, the game has issues. A ton of poo poo is broken and a ton of poo poo that isn't broken is blatantly unbalanced. If you want to shoot through walls and hack an entire base from your car on the sidewalk, you can, and it's easy. It's good that they included ways to do things the clever way, but it's bad that the enemies really aren't able to deal with it, so the clever way ends up just being godmode. Infinite Karma fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I enjoy this game too, but like again come on lol. Its good that you enjoy the game! Nothing wrong with that, but also lets be completely real about the many issues this game has too you know. Who says the game has no issues though? People seem determined to rail against a FANBOY CIRCLE JERK that doesn't even exist here. And I dig the Deus Ex games but their action gameplay is drastically worse, their stealth is basically exactly as shallow but you get more man sized air vents I guess, and their hacking is basically 'wave hand at camera" level of engaging. Also you can't drive a motorcycle around in them so minus 1000 points for that.
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Jan 14, 2021 19:58
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Vagabundo posted:Oh cool, one person saying that is representative of everyone's opinion. I did the bolding TorakFade posted:
sean10mm posted:It clearly also hasn't left its drive-by shitposting stage. I've been somewhat active here, c'mon now and I'm still engaging this is slander, sir
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Jan 14, 2021 20:03
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So I figured out what was wrong with my poo poo last night. I had systematically removed the small handful of mods I had installed before posting, but totally forgot that the AI booster thing was just an INI in a random directory. Removed that and boom, fine. So I dug deeper. Apparently a part of why the AI is sluggish and stupid is that each actor only "pings" for you or other enemies every 10sec by default. This is why you can easily get the drop on them is you keep moving and run fast. One of the ways that mod makes the AI "smarter" is pinging your (and all other enemies') locations every second, so they can track you more aggressively. So I was in The Pickup and handed over a cleaned credstick... Yeah, it was the engine just making GBS threads with my CPU ramping to 100% immediately and then crapping out as the game kept calling more commands than it could keep up with since there were like 25+ NPCs on either side of a huge battle, all pinging each other constantly.  So yeah, if you have that mod, get rid of it.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:08
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drat, I'm sorry for enjoying a videogame 
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Jan 14, 2021 20:09
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TorakFade posted:drat, I'm sorry for enjoying a videogame What were you thinking??
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Jan 14, 2021 20:11
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sean10mm posted:Who says the game has no issues though? People seem determined to rail against a FANBOY CIRCLE JERK that doesn't even exist here. The actual combat and stealth gameplay in this game feels virtually copy pasted from dx:md to me. Which is absolutely fine. Its the dx:md sequel i never got.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:14
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TorakFade posted:drat, I'm sorry for enjoying a videogame have fun my dude i was just pointing out the hypeness of it and countering the "you have no evidence post" followed by "thats only one person" post.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The actual combat and stealth gameplay in this game feels virtually copy pasted from dx:md to me. Which is absolutely fine. Its the dx:md sequel i never got. For me they are very similar if you mostly sneak/stealth takedown/pistol snipe, but IMO if you just go in guns blazing Cyberpunk feels way better.
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TorakFade posted:drat, I'm sorry for enjoying a videogame may god have mercy on your soul
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Jan 14, 2021 20:21
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There seem be two types of folks, those who think bugs and enjoying the game are on a Light/Dark scale like Kotor, and others who see it like Mass Effect.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:24
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TheAgent posted:how dare you. your punishment is to get to 20 in crafting without using any cheats or exploits But think of the things you can make!  And this game's crafting system makes Witcher 3 look like... I dunno, a good crafting system I've never actually seen in a game before because they're all dumb time wasters. That game had like 500 layers of trash materials just so you could only use it to make a new set of Witcher gear every 30 hours. They should have an achievement in that game for "YOU ACTUALLY CRAFTED A HATCHET LOL? BUT WHY?"
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Woof yeah the busywork of gathering materials for a blacksmith to upgrade your witcher school set seems like a walk in the park by comparison. All legendary items should scale to your level automatically, imo.
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I bounced hard off of the modern DX but I enjoy the hell out of Cyberpunk. Jensen doesn't really have much depth as a character to me, and comes across as a gruff 'n tough save the world protagonist (same goes for Denton, tbh). I like (fem)V's vulnerability and tragedy and how the genre's ethos of "it isn't about saving the world, it's hard enough to save yourself" comes through that conduit. I know it isn't a strict gameplay mechanic comparison but even if DX is equivalent or slightly better in the gameplay department, the narrative and gameplay are so intertwined for me that that alone doesn't even come close to tipping scales for me.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:28
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It's probably because the game is more based on the west coast than east coast but I would have preferred Night City to have a dirtier, NYC style vibe. But that's just preference
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Jan 14, 2021 20:28
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Glenn Quebec posted:It's probably because the game is more based on the west coast than east coast but I would have preferred Night City to have a dirtier, NYC style vibe. But that's just preference LA is probably the dirtiest city I've ever been to tbh.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:35
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Flannelette posted:It got me to (seriously) play Red Dead 2, two of my friends also ended up playing other games they found they enjoyed after being annoyed by Cyberpunk. Ha! I went back and started to replay Witcher 3 and finally finishing books as well after being kind of disappointed by cyberpunk. Like someone else mentioned open world problems in that game are similar to cyberpunk, but it works with the story just fine. I think I just prefer setting of Witcher more so than cyberpunk, when it comes down to it (I am not huge fan of fantasy settings in general). It feels like CDRP put more love and passion into Witcher 3 somehow. I guess it can be bit unfair for cyberpunk, since there is so much more lore to Witcher, plus two previous games.
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Is it bad that I have gotten use to the default driving, like, I just have a very light touch on the controls and use the handbrake a lot? Then again, it really does change drastically per car, some of the big 6 wheel monsters drive like someone bought a battleship and decided to remove the rudder.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:39
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May this thread never get over posting about posters stage. It's pretty much the only entertaining thing about it. I can understand on some level when people say that the "game is good". Art assets, the world, music and all of that range from good to excellent and is integrated very well. The systems that you use to interact the world with (you know, the game part) are ... not outright bad, I guess, but what I'd call approaching acceptable at most. Despite the garbage UI, bad inventory system, stupid perks (with terrible UI), no minimap zooming + other quality of life stuff related to bad UI, unbalanced and incomprehensible item leveling/crafting system, leveled armored clothes, the Far Cry level of engagement with the open world that's supposedly in an RPG etc etc ... ... I still managed to enjoy the game because it realizes the artistic vision in such an excellent manner that it was very thrilling to see what the hell was going to happen and I was very immersed and emotionally invested in a lot of the characters. The shooting mechanics weren't outright bad either so the other half spent loot grinding wasn't horrible and mostly just bouncing around from plot point to plot point. Too bad it's so buggy and unfinished and needlessly tarnishes what could have been a masterpiece. The openworld FPS adventure game underneath is shackled by a terribly realized RPG. I wish they had gone with much simpler inventory mechanics and added depth with better weapon customization or whatever
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graveportents posted:LA is probably the dirtiest city I've ever been to tbh. I haven't been there in 16 years and yeah L.A. was gross in some spots. The nice weather probably disarmed me to it. Also, I'm just probably more familiar with NYC's grime.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:40
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Jeff Fatwood posted:The openworld FPS adventure game underneath is shackled by a terribly realized RPG. I wish they had gone with much simpler inventory mechanics and added depth with better weapon customization or whatever Diablo style weapons and clothing was the most boneheaded decision imo. Getting the same exact weapon but "legendary" was not fun at all.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:42
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Glenn Quebec posted:It's probably because the game is more based on the west coast than east coast but I would have preferred Night City to have a dirtier, NYC style vibe. But that's just preference I would love a game like this set in 70's/80's NYC. NYC today is pretty nice. This plague needs to end, I miss going out to Brooklyn with my friends  .
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Mesadoram posted:I would love a game like this set in 70's/80's NYC. NYC today is pretty nice. Same, i miss the city immensely.
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Jan 14, 2021 20:44
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Glenn Quebec posted:Same, i miss the city immensely. 
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Jan 14, 2021 20:49
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Glenn Quebec posted:Same, i miss the city immensely. I'd be lying if I'd say that wasn't a part of what I liked about cyberpunk. I legit like to just travel around the city on foot because it reminds me of the world being normal.
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Meanwhile, I'm just here choosing not to go to the city because other than the odd COV-pos person being quarantined at the border, it's effectively been eliminated where I live. 
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Vagabundo posted:Meanwhile, I'm just here choosing not to go to the city because other than the odd COV-pos person being quarantined at the border, it's effectively been eliminated where I live. We've had a hard go of things in the US.
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sean10mm posted:But think of the things you can make! Actually I made my point half wrong lol The crafting system in W3 is absolutely worse than CP in a vacuum, but it's also completely ignorable except for Witcher gear, while CP has more cool poo poo that's worth crafting... but the system/menus/etc are still bad so it's more irritating.
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TheAgent posted:how dare you. your punishment is to get to 20 in crafting without using any cheats or exploits hell no, that's exactly why I got the tech/crafting run out of the way first my saving grace might be that I haven't followed the game much if at all until shortly before release, so I came in without big expectations treating it like an open world RPG and it just tickled my fancy places. Lots of loot (too much even), cool concepts with the implants and such, quests are good if unconsistent compared to witcher 3 but way better than any other open world game I played RDR2 excluded, crafting is a very powerful grind that I'll probably never bother with again and can really safely be ignored since you get showered in iconics and weapons of all rarities, and there's some replay value between stealth, hacking, melee and 2 kinds of ranged. Patches are coming and if they survive the shitstorm hopefully DLC will come too, might yet turn into an *gasp* actually good game  (I want that thing where you could climb walls with mantis blades and wallrun though, I clearly remember watching a video about that and I'm pissed they didn't put it in  )
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The REAL Goobusters posted:E: The one thing I would say this game is better than Witcher 3 is probably combat? lolno
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Glenn Quebec posted:We've had a hard go of things in the US. Seriously, it was simultaneously absolutely flabbergasting, but also hardly surprising that the response to COVID in the US was so utterly botched up.
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Witcher 3 combat is really easy, you have to really up the difficulty to really need to use anything for it. The decoctions which give some really cool interesting buffs are completely useless cause honestly, you can defeat almost any opponent with your sword work and base powers. At least with Cyberpunk the early game can bit a bit harrowing, I usually end up hiding behidn corners with looted shotguns to get a full buckshot Also I love walking the city too, I wish i could myself, and see all the weird people. The outfits and different people and augments are great.
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Jack Trades posted:lolno Lol yeah I know, I don't know what what to say they did better than their previous game. I mean A for Effort I guess. I still want this game to be completely finished and polished, but I will still probably have my own issues with the story and even V. I'm personally just not a fan of the character.
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Question from a clueless Brit here, but is the southeast of the city based on LA or something?
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I absolutely think CP has better moment to momemt action gameplay than W3. Unless you spam legendary contagion on your legendary deck because that IS comically broken. W3 combat is incredibly monotonous after a while other than "look up bomb for this monstar" I guess. But for that kind of gameplay Horizon Zero Dawn is infinitely better. Both games are easily broken if you pile up the right gear + ability combos. Like with the right green talents and decoctions everything that happens regenerates you or multiplies damage haha
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Tirranek posted:Question from a clueless Brit here, but is the southeast of the city based on LA or something? It's just generic suburbia. It's the California version since Night City is in California but it's not really based on anything that specific.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's just generic suburbia. It's the California version since Night City is in California but it's not really based on anything that specific. I think it's fair to say that parts of the map are based on LA - some of it looks a lot like parts of LA, the game is set in southern CA (or at least central CA), there's the not-Hollywood sign, etc. IIRC in the original cyberpunk canon, Night City was located in Morro Bay, which is not that far north of LA. But then I read somewhere that in the game it's set in Watsonville, which is much further north, so who knows.
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Bold Robot posted:I think it's fair to say that parts of the map are based on LA - some of it looks a lot like parts of LA, the game is set in southern CA (or at least central CA), there's the not-Hollywood sign, etc. The not-Hollywood sign def is. There are certainly parts of LA that look like southeast Night City but to me "based on" to me means it's copying something specific, and there's nothing specific about that area that is special to LA and different than a thousand other places. The concrete ditch that looks like the LA river maybe. Night City is Morro Bay, yes. The Red sourcebook has a map showing the land reclamation/dredging projects that reshaped it. E: Multiple maps I assembled in paint! 
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Glenn Quebec posted:i see the thread has hit the "actually, this game is quite, remarkably good and has improved (where it matters, to me) compared to its predecessor, Witcher 3, the most lauded RPG of its generation" stage I didn't think that highly of Witcher 3, so I wouldn't take my opinions as representative of the average CDPR fan
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Just in case anyone else hasn't posted about it: When you meet the XBD vendor as part of Disasterpiece, buy the quest item then punch him once and he'll drop with a load of crafting components up to Legendary (looks like 50 of each grade, craft and upgrade) plus potentially a very significant amount of money for that point in the game. I went from about $4000 to being able to pay Rogue handily.
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