Bruceski posted:Artemis I actually remember reading somewhere that a couple of the localizations had mitron using explicitly feminine pronouns, interestingly enough, though I don’t speak French/German/Spanish so I can’t confirm myself.
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Cleretic posted:Also, an unrelated, largely anticlimactic spoilery prediction I remembered while doing my roulettes. Or perhaps just a hope, because I think it would be an interesting turn. That doesn't work, you can't unconscioualy Create, you have to focus upon it. The reason that the Doom of Amaurot was so terrifying was that once it afflicted you, then every stray thought resulted in Creation. Also good point about gendered deity names and Artemis, I'm down for Azem being Prometheus.
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SirSamVimes posted:That doesn't work, you can't unconscioualy Create, you have to focus upon it. The reason that the Doom of Amaurot was so terrifying was that once it afflicted you, then every stray thought resulted in Creation. There's a few quests in Amaurot (blue quests even, so they were at least deemed worth underlining) that show that they at least weren't very precise about their creations, so they weren't masters of their craft. And hell, there's even Akadaemia Anyder--Quetzacoatl was intentionally summoned, but everything else there was essentially the result of a similar panic spiral giving life to what wasn't meant to be alive. I don't think this idea is all that likely, because frankly most MMO players would be really pissed if they were denied a fight against a giant monster. But if that's a direction they wanted to go down, I think there's some functional evidence, and I think it's a neat idea for where it could go. It's not even out of nowhere for the game's sources; Nier Automata played with similar themes. And in retrospect it is kinda weird that the Puppet's Bunker ended in the Alien Ship of all places.
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Feb 1, 2021 11:11
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The blue quests talked about when you had a stray thought while you were already focused on the act of Creation, like the Amaurotine who saw a group of children when he was in the middle of Creating robes. No dialogue has indicated that stray thoughts were dangerous except while you were already Creating, at least until the Sound.
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Feb 1, 2021 11:19
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I just don't buy the ancients just heard a spooky noise and got scared for the first time in the history of their species, and the act of getting scared alone sent their civilisation into a doom spiral. If getting spooked was enough to cause them to start uncontrollably conjuring monsters they never would have developed as a society long enough to create Amaurot, they'd still be hunter gatherers getting killed by folk demons of their own imagination
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I don't know, I could definitely see a space noise making everyone on Earth start freaking out, empowering the wrong people and causing a huge rift in the normal social order that keeps getting exacerbated by demagogues and greed and selfishness and blah blah blah. I'd imagine the Doom of Amaurot was some innocuous thing that caused something similar, and Emet-Selch et al couldn't fathom that their perfect society was anything other than perfect, even while it tore itself apart. Zodiark probably was just the fantasy equivalent of a fascist takeover.
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Feb 1, 2021 11:58
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We're directly told that the Sound wasn't just that, it mutated non-ancient life exposed to it and also forced ancients to lose all control over their creation magic. The ancients from amaurot even visited and captured creatures from another city that had previously been exposed to it.
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Eopia posted:We're directly told that the Sound wasn't just that, it mutated non-ancient life exposed to it and also forced ancients to lose all control over their creation magic. The ancients from amaurot even visited and captured creatures from another city that had previously been exposed to it. Like something being directly stated has ever stopped Cleretic from believing their own sadbrain fanfiction instead, nor has it stopped them from constantly spamming threads with said fanfiction every single time anyone ever brings the subject up. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 1, 2021 14:22
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There's only 12 Olympians but they already added an extra with Gaia (mother of the Titans and def not an Olympian) and the "twelve" usually includes either Dionysus or Hestia so if they just add both of them they're set.
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Am I the only one who thought that while the spiritual gender of the convocation may have been locked in, that they could be reborn into any random body? Kinda like that tribe in the Steppe?
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yeah for the sound to not be A Thing the game would have to ignore a large amount of stuff its already explicitly said about it
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It's also been implicitly set up as the next major villain for 7.0, given its origin in the completely unexplored New World and otherwise unresolved nature, so it kinda has to be something you can apply physical violence to.
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Groggy nard posted:Like something being directly stated has ever stopped Cleretic from believing their own sadbrain fanfiction instead, nor has it stopped them from constantly spamming threads with said fanfiction every single time anyone ever brings the subject up. That's a little uncalled for.
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Everyone should be nicer to Clerietic, who is generally a polite and friendly poster even as people flame her and try and run her out the thread for no greater crime than posting goofy fantheories
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Feb 1, 2021 17:29
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Groggy nard posted:Like something being directly stated has ever stopped Cleretic from believing their own sadbrain fanfiction instead, nor has it stopped them from constantly spamming threads with said fanfiction every single time anyone ever brings the subject up. It's also interesting to me how almost every one of Cleretic's theories is focused around how stupid, lazy, unimaginative or incompetent the Ascians supposedly were. Emet really struck a nerve!
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Feb 1, 2021 17:55
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In any case, while I can see the utility in a Forbidden Planet style "this is power too unstable for this peaceful and naive society," I really wanna beat up not!Jenova.
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multijoe posted:Everyone should be nicer to Clerietic, who is generally a polite and friendly poster even as people flame her and try and run her out the thread for no greater crime than posting goofy fantheories But she committed the cardinal sin of not loving the thread's woobies.
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Kyrosiris posted:But she committed the cardinal sin of not loving the thread's woobies. But she is the?
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Feb 1, 2021 19:52
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what tha gently caress is a woobie
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Farg posted:what tha gently caress is a woobie Woobie is a general term in many fandoms for a character that everyone feels sad for and has general affection towards.
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Cleretic posted:...what if there's nothing there? What if The Sound was just that: a noise that freaked people out, made them panic and lose control, thereby causing more people to panic? The entire paradise of Amaurot was brought undone not by some external force or nefarious plot, but just because even all-powerful humans are... kinda dumb, and prone to wrecking ourselves. "A bell followed by a high-pitched wail, after which things got bad," was it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GET8ax8uWXk
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Feb 1, 2021 23:06
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Bruceski posted:"A bell followed by a high-pitched wail, after which things got bad," was it? I don't think it's ever been described as such.
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Farg posted:what tha gently caress is a woobie They're from Kashyyk.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I don't think it's ever been described as such. Thought one NPC in Amaurot said that. I'll have to go see if I can find the guy. Something to do before D&D tonight.
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Jetrauben posted:In any case, while I can see the utility in a Forbidden Planet style "this is power too unstable for this peaceful and naive society," I really wanna beat up not!Jenova. Yeah, this is why that isn't even a prediction or a theory, it's more a 'what if'. They're never going to pass up the chance for us to smash a big horrible monster's face in, so the Sound is definitely going to come from something that was alive, is STILL alive, and needs to die. I just personally like considering the idea that... well, what if not? What if there isn't something for a dragoon to LB3 to solve this problem, what if it's just something that happened, that sucked, but can't be fixed by applying violence?
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Yeah I don't care about what caused the sound. Or Zodiark. Or Hydaelyn. It's probably more interesting if it always stays an off screen disaster. Zodiark dealt with the noise maker. Hydaelyn dealt with Zodiark. With the Ascians soon to be dead, and the absolute conditions required to start a rejoining, Hydaelyn can likely just go to sleep and that's the end of things. I more or less expect Zodiark to have one big appearance that we can deal with, but I'm ok with the status quo and don't need anything from them.
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My theory is that the Sound was the deathrattle of the Lifestream. Throughout FF14 we've been told about how important the balance between elements is, and when one element overtakes the others is when a calamity occurs. And then here we have Amaurot, a world full of immortal creatures who can create life with their creation magics. Not only do Amaurotian souls not go into the Lifestream due to their immortality, they're constantly draining the Lifestream by creating living beings. Life and death are completely out of whack, and then one day the Lifestream simply breaks. This causes the final days. Now, the Amaurotians have the idea of creating Zodiark to save their world, and they do so by sacrificing half of all Amaurotians to create Zodiark. But the thing is, Zodiark doesn't actually do anything. The world is saved because all those sacrificed souls return to the Lifestream, fixing what was wrong with it, and the Ascians laboring to undo this would've doomed the world once more.
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Zodiark: That's the beauty of it
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Andrew Verse posted:And then here we have Amaurot, a world full of immortal creatures who can create life with their creation magics. Not only do Amaurotian souls not go into the Lifestream due to their immortality, they're constantly draining the Lifestream by creating living beings. According to one of the short stories, their creations didn't have souls, except when they accidentally trapped a nearby soul in phoenix.
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HenryEx posted:Zodiark: That's the beauty of it Lol, Zodiark is a grifter through and through. I still think it would be really cool if they do a FFX thing and have us kill Sin who is revealed to be a cool and sweet Amaurotian who was turned into Sin to fight against the Noise but could never find it and has been wandering the universe destroying poo poo ever since. First we had a sky whale, then a water whale, next is a space whale. I just really liked FFX I think. jokes fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Feb 2, 2021 |
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Bruceski posted:Thought one NPC in Amaurot said that. I'll have to go see if I can find the guy. Something to do before D&D tonight. Haven't gotten a chance to dig in-game so I'm not sure if the bell was mentioned somewhere else or I juxtaposed something, but someone on Reddit transcribed what NPCs say in the End of A World quest: quote:Have you not heard? Though yet confined to the lands across the sea, a terrible phenomenon afflicts our star. They are calling it the “Final Days.” A keening is a high wail.
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I figure the sound was either Jenova (That's what the Ancients describe hearing when Jenova landed) or Lavos (because... Lavos)
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I'm sorry but I don't remember either of those names from within this game
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hazardousmouse posted:I'm sorry but I don't remember either of those names from within this game Jenova is a server in the US-Aether cluster 
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hazardousmouse posted:Am I the only one who thought that while the spiritual gender of the convocation may have been locked in, that they could be reborn into any random body? Kinda like that tribe in the Steppe? No, that is explicitly canon because Ardbert and WoL are part of the same soul even if they are opposite genders.
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i see the appeal of cleretic's theory that the doom of amaurot was the magic equivalent of someone shouting 'FIRE!' in a crowded theatre and causing a mass stampede. one person gets spooked enough by the noise that they create a beast, someone else sees it and thinks the noise created the beast and loses control, and it just spreads from there. but because that would be a very hard thing to have a boss fight with the sound was probably caused by some semi-angelic body horror monster.
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Why couldn't it be both? We track down the Source expecting it to be some horrific world ending monstrosity and we find out it's the aetheric equivalent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9mO5QzOIQ&t=115s
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Welp, RIP the Blades of Gunnhildr
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