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a cyborg mug posted:Talking about Okada over in NJPW thread got me thinking: which wrestlers across history would you say fit the same kind of role Okada has? Bret Hart and I agree John Cena as well
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 15:32 |
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a cyborg mug posted:Talking about Okada over in NJPW thread got me thinking: which wrestlers across history would you say fit the same kind of role Okada has? I know he's a huge chud and everyone is tired of him as a person (and getting there as a performer), but Jericho absolutely fits this. He even has the ability to get bumped down to the mid-card like Weird Okada did and still come back as a believable main eventer.
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 15:33 |
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a cyborg mug posted:Talking about Okada over in NJPW thread got me thinking: which wrestlers across history would you say fit the same kind of role Okada has? Less so now he's a broken down shell of himself, but Tanahashi 5 years ago was absolutely this.
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 16:23 |
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Most of the time the main person or at least main heel in a successful and good promotion will be that type of wrestler. the rock and kurt angle did those things during their times on top and eddie guerrero should have been doing it for like 10 years before he finally was given the chance. with kurt and eddie they weren't the face of the promotion but could have been, while doing everything to shine up the whole place and often carrying full cards with their match
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Was Mike Awesome any sort of noteworthy "thing" before his Tanaka matches in ECW? My memory is hazy (and I was obviously much younger), but those just seemed to come out of nowhere in my mind; why was Tanaka just all of a sudden there?
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 19:21 |
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Awesome had a long running feud in Japan with Tanaka, they just kind of kept going with it. He'd been in ECW very sporadically before that
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 19:25 |
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FakePoet posted:Was Mike Awesome any sort of noteworthy "thing" before his Tanaka matches in ECW? He was a pretty big star in FMW and someone Heyman had his eye on for a few years. He'd had a few ECW matches before Tanaka but never anything sustained because he made his money in Japan. He'd probably been just as well known for his matches with Hayabusa as Tanaka before their ECW matches. Casual death match fans would have known him from the Double Hell Exploding Pool Death Match that was on all the FMW comps in the 90s. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jan 27, 2021 |
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You ever think its weird that every kind of suplex gets it own name but a regular neckbreaker & Okada's air-raid crash thing both get called as neckbreakers?
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 21:54 |
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MassRafTer posted:He was a pretty big star in FMW and someone Heyman had his eye on for a few years. He'd had a few ECW matches before Tanaka but never anything sustained because he made his money in Japan. He'd probably been just as well known for his matches with Hayabusa as Tanaka before their ECW matches. Casual death match fans would have known him from the Double Hell Exploding Pool Death Match that was on all the FMW comps in the 90s. He did really well in FMW. As far as I know, there have been no real details on his death (suicide).
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 22:03 |
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I remember hearing a code of ethics laid out by Karl Gotcha to his trainees, like it was almost the opposite of "lie, cheat, steal". Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or am I misremembering this? If I'm not, what was it?
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 07:39 |
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DangerDummy! posted:I remember hearing a code of ethics laid out by Karl Gotcha to his trainees, like it was almost the opposite of "lie, cheat, steal". Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or am I misremembering this? If I'm not, what was it? I don’t but Karl Gotcha is hilarious.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 07:57 |
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DangerDummy! posted:I remember hearing a code of ethics laid out by Karl Gotcha to his trainees, like it was almost the opposite of "lie, cheat, steal". Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or am I misremembering this? If I'm not, what was it? Never lie, never cheat, never quit.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 08:07 |
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Never lie, never cheat, never quit. Makes sense. Thank you.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 08:24 |
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Eat My Fuc posted:I don’t but Karl Gotcha is hilarious. Dammit.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 08:25 |
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Never lie, never cheat, never quit. Hustle, Loyalty, Respect
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 09:16 |
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DangerDummy! posted:Karl Gotcha
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 09:21 |
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Who is the most beloved former/retired NJPW wrestler? i.e. their equivalent of The Rock or Austin or Hogan. I'm guessing Chono, who shows up everywhere and seems to have massive mainstream appeal? Is Mutoh still wildly popular even if he left for AJPW? Not sure if he burned bridges for that but he seems to prefer showing up elsewhere.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 09:47 |
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Lily Catts posted:Who is the most beloved former/retired NJPW wrestler? i.e. their equivalent of The Rock or Austin or Hogan. I'm guessing Chono, who shows up everywhere and seems to have massive mainstream appeal? Is Mutoh still wildly popular even if he left for AJPW? Not sure if he burned bridges for that but he seems to prefer showing up elsewhere. Would it be Liger, now?
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 09:52 |
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Lily Catts posted:Who is the most beloved former/retired NJPW wrestler? i.e. their equivalent of The Rock or Austin or Hogan. I'm guessing Chono, who shows up everywhere and seems to have massive mainstream appeal? Is Mutoh still wildly popular even if he left for AJPW? Not sure if he burned bridges for that but he seems to prefer showing up elsewhere. Despite all the baggage it's probably Inoki.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 11:06 |
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Lily Catts posted:Who is the most beloved former/retired NJPW wrestler? i.e. their equivalent of The Rock or Austin or Hogan. I'm guessing Chono, who shows up everywhere and seems to have massive mainstream appeal? Is Mutoh still wildly popular even if he left for AJPW? Not sure if he burned bridges for that but he seems to prefer showing up elsewhere. It's Choshu. He's the guy that people instantly name when they find out I'm into pro wrestling. Like even people in their 20s who weren't even born when he was in his prime. His retirement event two years ago was even shown in cinemas.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 11:55 |
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Maybe not as popular as the other names, but Togi Makabe got into the daytime talk show circuit and became a fairly well-known celebrity outside wrestling, to the point where NJPW would feature him prominently in smaller towns to draw the stay-at-home moms who knew him.
Benne fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Benne posted:Maybe not as popular as the other names, but Togi Makabe got into the daytime talk show circuit and became a minor celebrity outside wrestling, to the point where NJPW would feature him prominently in smaller towns to draw the stay-at-home moms who knew him. the difference with Makabe is the reaction you get when you name him is more like "ohhhh, he's a pro wrestler? Yeah... that makes sense"
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 12:13 |
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im lollin at the idea of Togi Makabe as Japanese Ellen
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 12:24 |
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:It's Choshu. He's the guy that people instantly name when they find out I'm into pro wrestling. Like even people in their 20s who weren't even born when he was in his prime. His retirement event two years ago was even shown in cinemas. Interesting. I'd always heard you were asked if you were an Inoki fan or a Baba fan. (I would have said Jumbo.)
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 14:35 |
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drat! I completely forgot about Liger. It just feels like he's still attached to NJPW given his commentator work. I'm surprised about Riki Choshu, though. I haven't seen a lot of his matches, but he has a goofy Tiktok, though.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 15:12 |
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Red posted:
You can't have that nickname styling when your ring name is already Mike Awesome.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 18:19 |
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How many times has a go home Raw or Smackdown for the Royal Rumble ended with the entire roster brawling in the ring?
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 18:36 |
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It's Kishin Liger and if you disagree then he will loving stab you.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 18:40 |
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Two mediocrities botching their way into a lovely heatless WMOTYC happens all the time. But it's particularly damning when two of the best talents in the world completely whiff their highly anticipated clash with the worst match layout possible and it ends up a lovely heatless WMOTYC despite technical competence. Has there ever been a worse one of these than Okada vs Ishimori?
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 17:55 |
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Tonfa posted:Two mediocrities botching their way into a lovely heatless WMOTYC happens all the time. Masahiro Chono vs Rick Rude at Halloween Havoc 1992, they literally had a WMOTY two months after having a clear MOTYC at the G1l/NWA title tournament final.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 18:01 |
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Dawgstar posted:Interesting. I'd always heard you were asked if you were an Inoki fan or a Baba fan. That question is also kind of a “Ford or Chevy?” question to see which side of the NJPW/AJPW discussion you land on.
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# ? Feb 2, 2021 11:44 |
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Is Roderick Strong the closest to a modern Dean Malenko? I'm asking because now after a fashion Roderick is a legend to me and will have outstanding technical matches with anyone but for years even when he was pushed at his peak as a champion he always felt less like The Guy then the best hand available. Hell it wasn't until well after his peak he developed a more rounded identity and character. Hence the retrospective legend view but also knowing he will never be on anyones list of Hall of Fame talent from his era, but likely to leave a mark and a legacy that far outshines a lot of his peers.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 06:01 |
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Tonfa posted:Two mediocrities botching their way into a lovely heatless WMOTYC happens all the time. The most common one in my view is the attempts at CM Punk v Chris Jericho because on paper their in ring work are mirrors of each other and filled similar niches. But whenever they actually wrestled it was just not there. But yeah Okada v Ishimori is a mindfuck in how they got that match completley wrong.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 06:04 |
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The Cameo posted:Masahiro Chono vs Rick Rude at Halloween Havoc 1992, they literally had a WMOTY two months after having a clear MOTYC at the G1l/NWA title tournament final. Dave's review of that match: Meltzer posted:The match that destroyed the show. The match that destroyed the NWA title in the United States. The only thing positive to say is that it's a good thing this wasn't televised in Japan. I wonder if this was the first time in wrestling history where two wrestlers, in their first meeting ever, had a potential match of the year, and then in their first rematch had a potential worst match of the year?
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 03:21 |
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It is kind of funny that ends with 'one of the worst world title matches on PPV... three stars.'
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 04:35 |
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Dawgstar posted:It is kind of funny that ends with 'one of the worst world title matches on PPV... three stars.' I think it's negative three stars.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 04:35 |
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That’s a negative three The match was so bad Dave used it as a burn just last year: https://twitter.com/davemeltzerwon/status/1246972268833431552?s=21 The Cameo fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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Lid posted:Is Roderick Strong the closest to a modern Dean Malenko? I'm asking because now after a fashion Roderick is a legend to me and will have outstanding technical matches with anyone but for years even when he was pushed at his peak as a champion he always felt less like The Guy then the best hand available. Hell it wasn't until well after his peak he developed a more rounded identity and character. I haven't seen any of his work in NXT but I loved when Roddy's moveset was like 90% backbreakers. Everything else about him is just kind of... meh. Like I definitely couldn't describe any kind of character for him. Also there was a great running joke here for a while that he was in an awful SciFi movie about... god, killer birds maybe?
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 06:45 |
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Lazy like a Fox posted:Also there was a great running joke here for a while that he was in an awful SciFi movie about... god, killer birds maybe? Birdemic??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE5dJDgZ644
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 08:47 |
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Yes! I don't remember why it started, i just remember that I definitely fell for it and thought that guy was Roddy for an embarrassing amount of time.
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