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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?




Announcement Trailer
Gameplay Trailer

So, here we are... a Persona musou game. None of us are really all that surprised though, are we? After Persona 4 was milked to high heaven, it only makes sense that they'd go even wilder for P5. Really, I'm just waiting for the kart racer.

Anyway, Persona 5 Strikers (originally known as Persona 5 Scramble: The Phantom Strikers in Japan) is a new musou game brought to you by the folks at Omega Force and P-Studio. It was actually released a full year earlier in Japan, but the localization took forever to even get formally announced, probably for the obvious reason! The game takes a lot of the form and style of Persona 5 and interprets them into musou mechanics, and reviews are pretty positive thus far.

It's worth noting that this game is a straight-up sequel to Persona 5, and thus you're probably gonna be lost if you just jump in and try to play it without knowing the story. Also worth noting: this game was developed concurrently with Persona 5 Royal, so it doesn't do anything at all to account for that game's new characters and story beats. Sorry, but you're not playing as Kasumi. Instead, enjoy a fun new adventure with all your favorite Phantom Thieves (and Morgana)! There's even a couple of new additions to the team!

It's also coming out on Switch and Steam, which is nice even if it's not the Persona 5 you'd likely prefer on those platforms! The game comes out on February 23rd (or the 19th if you buy the Digital Deluxe edition for early access).

Helpful Gameplay Tips!
  • This is a Persona game with musou stylings, not the other way around. Attacking weaknesses and using buffs/debuffs are critical.
  • Using items to keep your party's HP and SP up are vital.
  • Party revive items can't always be bought at the shop, so save them for key fights. This also means that keeping someone with Recarm in your party is much more useful than it was in Persona 5 proper.
  • Joker can use one of his equipped Persona's base skills by hitting the Special attack button in the middle of his combo, with the skill changing based on when in the combo. This costs no SP, though the skill will be weaker than if it was cast manually.
  • The other party members can do the same thing, though it is less versatile because they cannot change Personas.
  • Playing as every party member is important because it will unlock their Master Arts, which are special upgrades to each character only gained through repeated use.
  • The first Jail is much harder than the rest of the game, in typical Persona fashion, due to low money and SP. If you can get through that, you can get through the rest.
  • Dodging is important. It seems to affect how often the rest of your party gets hit by attacks, not just your selected character.
  • When you destroy one of a strong enemy's shields, they will stagger for a moment, interrupting any casts they were performing. If you can hit their weakness, consider doing it while the enemy is casting to interrupt them.
  • You're going to be overloaded with money eventually, but it's possible to turn that money into points you can use in the Velvet Room to level up Personas. To do this, simply summon a bunch of Personas from the Inmate Registry and then delete them from your stock.
  • Some of the most important Bond skills to grab early are: Bondmaker, Metaverse Medic, and Extortionist. The ones that simply increase your stats by 1 for each level are easily ignorable.
  • Keep on top of Persona fusion. Try not to be using egregiously underleveled Personas.

Arist fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 1, 2021

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Spiffster
Oct 7, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...


Lipstick Apathy
Getting my switch copy and a day off from work to play for a bit. It’s gonna be my reward for fixing some things around the house in the morning before the store opens.

TheLoser
Apr 1, 2011

You make my korokoro go dokidoki.
We hate the cops.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

gonna be getting this on steam, hope it runs well

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
Who's got two thumbs and is gonna pay extra for a digital deluxe thing that has no content I care for but unlocks in like fourteen hours? this guy

i swear this is some sorta SEGA tactic for spinoffs of huge "niche" games or something. Judgment was the exact same deal.

Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved

MorningMoon posted:

i swear this is some sorta SEGA tactic for spinoffs of huge "niche" games or something. Judgment was the exact same deal.

They know drat well they're the only ones dealing our drug of choice and that we'll pay ten bucks to get our hit early.

A talking coyote
Jan 14, 2020

I tried to get my early fix but Sony doesn’t allow refunds so I’ve gotta wait like everyone else.

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
Game is fully loaded. In 10 hours ill control the joker, flick off his parents and move back to tokyo with his real family dammit. Then like 44 hours of filler. Or something like that.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

TheLoser posted:

We hate the cops.

I've got bad news about one of the party members in this game

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Blockhouse posted:

I've got bad news about one of the party members in this game

It's fine, Haru dunks him into oblivion

Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved

Arist posted:

It's fine, Haru dunks him into oblivion

It doesn’t count when the one percenter does it.

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016


Arist posted:

So, here we are... a Persona musou game. None of us are really all that surprised though, are we? After Persona 4 was milked to high heaven, it only makes sense that they'd go even wilder for P5. Really, I'm just waiting for the kart racer.

Really looking forward to this but I do hope they milk Persona 5 a bit more. I know ArcSys is busy with Guilty Gear Strive right now but they made the excellent Persona 4 Arena games and I've been hoping that we see a Persona 5 Arena at some point. I think this might be wishful thinking at this point since by the time they manage to complete development and release the game it may be too late. Then again Persona 6 is obviously a long way off so who knows? That's what I'd love to see and I suspect Strikers is likely a result of ArcSys being too busy right now to have made a Persona Arena game.

The reviews I've seen have all been great however, so I'm excited to play this and I like the premise for the story.

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
If I tapped out of Persona 5 just before the Hawaii trip, how lost would I be?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Unlucky7 posted:

If I tapped out of Persona 5 just before the Hawaii trip, how lost would I be?

Based on what I've heard, extremely.

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib

Fojar38 posted:

Based on what I've heard, extremely.

To be honest, P5 is a good game, if sort of tiring. And I do have Royal, so I could get back into that one of these days ish, at least to complete the base game plot.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Unlucky7 posted:

To be honest, P5 is a good game, if sort of tiring. And I do have Royal, so I could get back into that one of these days ish, at least to complete the base game plot.

Royal is absolutely worth finishing. Base P5's endgame is really good but Royal's endgame is on another level storywise.

McTimmy
Feb 29, 2008
Persona 5 Arena's best reason to exist is to contrive whatever new excuse the P4 cast uses to keep their school uniforms on.

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?

Fojar38 posted:

Royal is absolutely worth finishing. Base P5's endgame is really good but Royal's endgame is on another level storywise.

I'm a total mark that will eventually get to it, but will either wait for it to be ten bucks and nothing else I'm interested in coming any time soon, or 20-30 bucks on the Switch so I can do most of the original content while in bed.


*phantom thief voice* im in

MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Feb 19, 2021

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


McTimmy posted:

Persona 5 Arena's best reason to exist is to contrive whatever new excuse the P4 cast uses to keep their school uniforms on.

It's gonna be time travel, you know it's true

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer
ngl while I love Junpei Iori as a part of P3, seeing what he's up to at age 30 sounds extremely depressing so maybe let's just stop bringing back old casts and do P5A fresh

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I'd have never guessed that the persona 1 cast would end up being more normal and we'll adjusted as adults then the P3 cast but I guess that's how the dice fell.

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
It is so nice to be back in the P5 world, wow. Just feels amazing.

MayOrMayNotBeACat
Jul 22, 2017


Welp, I hosed up.

I accidentally purchased the standard edition first, then the deluxe edition. As a result, not only am I down $60, I'm probably going to be unable to play the game on my Switch until it releases next Tuesday.

:rip:

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

I sort of wonder if Atlus is going to avoid showing the Persona 4 and 5 casts as adults specifically because, with those games' protagonists still around, it becomes hard to show their future lives without potentially alienating players who identified with their versions of the protagonists. Anime adaptations and spin-offs that have them still as teenagers are one thing--they're going to be mostly the same people you remember, romances are just sort of danced around or teased, that kind of thing. But showing 20-something Persona 4 characters would require them to commit to a specific version of Yu Narukami as an adult with a specific life path that probably won't match with what players envision their P4 Protagonist would've grown up to be.

The same goes for the Persona 5 cast, but any hypothetical game taking place at a time when they're adults is probably a lot farther off. I guess it'd be mostly uncontroversial to show grown-up Joker running Leblanc in a future game or something.

The Persona Q and Dancing games are clearly happy to screw around with time, though, so having a Persona 5 Arena where the P3 and P4 casts are exactly as they are in P4A would be entirely within the realm of possibility.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

I'm definitely in. My only dilemma is switch or steam.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Harrow posted:

I sort of wonder if Atlus is going to avoid showing the Persona 4 and 5 casts as adults specifically because, with those games' protagonists still around, it becomes hard to show their future lives without potentially alienating players who identified with their versions of the protagonists. Anime adaptations and spin-offs that have them still as teenagers are one thing--they're going to be mostly the same people you remember, romances are just sort of danced around or teased, that kind of thing. But showing 20-something Persona 4 characters would require them to commit to a specific version of Yu Narukami as an adult with a specific life path that probably won't match with what players envision their P4 Protagonist would've grown up to be.

The same goes for the Persona 5 cast, but any hypothetical game taking place at a time when they're adults is probably a lot farther off. I guess it'd be mostly uncontroversial to show grown-up Joker running Leblanc in a future game or something.

The Persona Q and Dancing games are clearly happy to screw around with time, though, so having a Persona 5 Arena where the P3 and P4 casts are exactly as they are in P4A would be entirely within the realm of possibility.

To be fair the Arena games have already shown they're willing to age up old characters, though I guess P3 has it a bit easier due to its whole situation. I'd say they could just avoid including the protagonists in games featuring future versions of the characters, but I dunno how much people would be into that...

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Infinity Gaia posted:

To be fair the Arena games have already shown they're willing to age up old characters, though I guess P3 has it a bit easier due to its whole situation. I'd say they could just avoid including the protagonists in games featuring future versions of the characters, but I dunno how much people would be into that...

Yeah, Persona 3's got a unique situation in that (I realize it's an old game but spoiler) with the protagonist dead, there aren't many personal player narratives to step on. The P3 cast are living their lives without the protagonist no matter what, so Atlus can write them however they want.

This is really just speculation on my part, though. I can't remember where but I think I read that Atlus doesn't really want to flesh out Persona protagonists as their own characters like what they did with Yu Narukami anymore, which is why Joker remains a silent character in Dancing and Strikers and has much fewer lines/less personality in the Persona 5 anime. I wish they would, though, because they made Narukami a really entertaining character.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Also, speaking of the game the thread is about, boy it sure is Persona 5-2 in all but name, huh? I didn't expect it to be so much more Persona than Musou but I kinda dig it. I am kind of annoyed that it has a Normal mode that's too easy and a Hard mode that's too hard though.

Drashin
Feb 26, 2013
So before I start his game I want to check but is there anything missable or anything you will need a guide for? I assume there isn't a social link equivalent but I just want to make sure.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

There are no social links and there's no time management aspect. I don't know for sure if there's anything missable but I don't think so.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011

So far gameplay wise the biggest issues for me is that the direction you push on the d-pad to swap characters is always changing, which means that you always have to look to make sure you know how to switch to the character you want.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005
I'm finding this pretty rough at points. Like, a fight will seem to be going fine and then within the space of 20 seconds my entire team will be dead and I'll have to slowly whittle down a big enemy as the last person. They seem quite bad at dodging attacks and spunk all their SP very quickly. I'm still early on though and have barely played any musou games so it's very possible I'm doing something wrong in the combat as well of course.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
How's the performance on switch? I'd prefer it to PC just from a convenience standpoint, but I also picked up Age of Calamity a month ago and it's... rough. The Switch just clearly doesn't have the processing power to show that many enemies even while docked, and it chugs down to frankly unacceptable framerates way too often. If P5S is similar then I'll probably just deal with playing it on PC.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

thebardyspoon posted:

I'm finding this pretty rough at points. Like, a fight will seem to be going fine and then within the space of 20 seconds my entire team will be dead and I'll have to slowly whittle down a big enemy as the last person. They seem quite bad at dodging attacks and spunk all their SP very quickly. I'm still early on though and have barely played any musou games so it's very possible I'm doing something wrong in the combat as well of course.

It's surprisingly like Persona 5 where if you are in control of a fight it's super smooth but the moment something starts going wrong everything gets hosed up real fast.

My personal complaint with the game so far is that there is no downside to leaving the dungeon at checkpoints, which recovers you full HP and SP... So why the gently caress do I have to sit through two loadscreens and several menu transitions instead of just recovering my HP/SP at checkpoints? I guess enemies respawn, but it could just be a menu option in that case.

Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved
Is it weird that I kinda respect this not even trying to make sense for people new to the series?

Also for anyone thinking “Well I like musou games but not JRPGs so maybe I can get into this without playing Persona 5” definitely not. Three scenes no context now you’re in the metaverse plot’s started lets f’ing go!

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
The opening half hour feels like the game going "aw, you missed us? We missed you! :3:"

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005
Yeah so an update on my last post. I'm now at the first proper boss and she is absolutely pushing my poo poo right in, I got her down to half health on my second attempt and then she promptly wiped out my entire team with her sweeping dashy move. The next 3 attempts she killed 2 AI team members in the first minute of the fight cause they didn't bother dodging an attack and on the last one I just gave up for the night.

Anyone able to give any tips? I'm not terrible at games, when I'm controlling a character I'm dodging nearly all of her attacks but like, my team spends alot of their SP on the buffs when I apparently really just need pure healing and the shield breaker elemental spells and then eventually they get hit, go down and I lose their passive attacks that do the elemental damage, at that point it feels like a bit of a slog. Doesn't seem like there's any squad behaviour options either.

For the amount of work knocking her shields out, the damage with the all out attack as a reward feels not worthwhile. I didn't have much trouble with the miniboss right before this so felt like this would be alright. I guess I could go level a bit, might just give more of my team expensive, somewhat useless moves though (I assume they will be more useful when I have more SP to throw around tbf).

Edit: Clearly complaining on the internet worked, went back in and it was still tooth and nail but I got her down.

thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Feb 20, 2021

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
Really early spoiler for the first level I guess but didn't this series already do a big Alice in Wonderland level back in Q? Somebody at Atlas must be really into that book.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I mean it's been a whole thing with the entire series since like... SMT1? I never played the MTs so maybe even before that. Alice IS an iconic demon afterall. Japan really loving loves Alice in Wonderland.

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ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

about 3 hours and enjoying this alot. i just defeated a huge wave of dudes by repeatedly running them over with skateboards.

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