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I miss the old days when they would fumble allover themselves every other week it seemed Chris, Sandi and Ben on camera every week spouting total bullshit Archer, that one went on for months in my mind Lando 'accidently' leaking a password for the servers Dick wolf Good times! 
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Gravity_Storm posted:I think CIG and Turbulent have shares in each other, and Turbulent is handling an increasing amount of development so it's more than an e-commerce website maker for CIG - they are fully integrated. As Turbulent is the only bit that's working I do wonder if they are driving the bus now basically. Not that I would put any money near Chris Roberts, but if I did, it would be that Turbulent will be pushed out of the driver's window (by a young female in white tight short's and crimson top laughing has thought she is being tickled) and end up under the bus. This would be a smooth operation.
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Feb 22, 2021 06:26
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Trilobite posted:I think Chris is still on top, but only because they are still, in 2021, trying to make the Sq42 Mess Hall Scene work the way Chris's bone-stupid "vision" demands it should. If anyone else had the final say, they would have made it the first thing they shitcanned because, god, just imagine how bad the Mess Hall Scene is and how much money and effort has already been burned on it. And if no one was in charge, it would have been effectively scrapped by whatever poor slobs have been assigned to work on it, probably replaced with a pre-rendered cutscene, because literally nobody other than Chris thinks that there's any reason for fully-AI-driven cafeteria action to be a part of this or any other non-cafeteria-centric space game. No! You don't understand. Once the fully AI-driven cafeteria action is in the game, this can be applied everywhere and you get the best dam space sim ever! Just look how the tier 0 bar tenders have changed the whole AAAA games industry.
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Feb 22, 2021 06:35
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Chris Roberts directing the cafeteria scene.... Right, I want a slow pan across the cooking station, make sure you get every egg sizzling, I want to se liquids slowing moving in their glasses, bubbles in the fizzy drinks, a little cream floating on every coffee... perfect... right roll the scene! Army dude runs in and lobs a frag grenade destroying everything in the room
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Feb 22, 2021 07:06
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Gravity_Storm posted:When the story is written one day, I'm guessing it will focus on Turbulent. I'm guessing there are some interesting characters over there. I mean, there must be right? They have knowingly enabled this deception and actually want to be more involved by doing the dev too. Popete posted:Turbulent probably doesn't give two shits about Star Citizen or Chris Roberts but they keep getting contracts to implement basic poo poo that CIG can't do themselves so hey just keep cashing those checks. Turbulent happily lay claim to the referral, concierge and subscription programmes in their 'gamified transaction tools' case study, along with all the ship bling pages. They seem like pretty knowing partners in the poo poo show. But sure for now it's all win for them. And if they get the repair job to get a MVP out I'm sure they wouldn't say no.
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Feb 22, 2021 09:37
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Blue On Blue posted:what's that ship they sold in like year 2, and it hasn't been seen since? The Hull ships are supposedly finally awakening like the Kraken. They've got the big ship-to-station docking tunnel thing coming that they need, and more importantly, they say Chris's magic physics grid code now allows for its slidey bits to slide past each other as it unfurls like a lego spider. (It's totally gonna ping bits of itself into the distance) UnknownTarget posted:My favorite is the mobile repair shop that has not been mentioned once since it was sold, like, ever. You don't want to be a Repair Task Manager? Just think, when this thing's physics grids ping apart you get to repair them. It's a job for life.  Popete posted:Aren't there science and agriculture ships too? lol at ever seeing those beyond a non-functional basic ship like all the rest. I think that's all one ship. The combined science/agriculture/exploration ship. It has all of the modules. Including a particle accelerator. To overclock your components. They've thought it all through.
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Feb 22, 2021 09:56
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I suddenly remember buying a copy of this for $60 like in 2012. Nice to see progress remains in the toilet.
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Feb 22, 2021 10:34
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cr dictator management style probably means he has ended up with a pretty good grip on the company. you don't rise to the top under such management through competence and delivering the goods. cr might believe he is gods gift to game dev but the rest of them are probably a bit more grounded. if you got where you were from being an unrepentant yes man, blame dodging throwing other people under the bus piece of poo poo then the investors are bad news. if cr goes they will clean house sooner or later. most of the management are probably terrified of someone competent in charge so they actually have to deliver results.
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Feb 22, 2021 10:47
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Gravity_Storm posted:When the story is written one day, I'm guessing it will focus on Turbulent. I'm guessing there are some interesting characters over there. I mean, there must be right? They have knowingly enabled this deception and actually want to be more involved by doing the dev too. They do a good job of not having the spotlight focused on them, staying in the shadows while CIG gets most of the blame. https://www.turbulent.ca/craft/star-citizen/ "Look at this interactive 3D map for the entire Star Citizen universe! It has a starmap and you can explore all the 91 star systems the game has!" "See this galactapedia? It contains all the lore and information on the rich Star Citizen universe, continuously updated." "Check out all these slick promo pages for the individual ship marketing campaigns, these are all ships that exist and they're all so unique!" "The game is so finely tuned and optimized, we provide tools that help players accurately gauge their system performance to ensure the best experience possible." They are responsible for helping to perpetuate this fraud.
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Feb 22, 2021 11:09
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2020 review in gifs: January https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0sbCLnxYI February  March  April  May https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aukpjW8Kmus June https://i.imgur.com/am99n3U.mp4 July https://i.imgur.com/KIhBUV6.mp4 (unmute) August  September https://v.redd.it/145owhd7n8q51/DASH_480.mp4 October https://v.redd.it/wcgcfifnpuv51/DASH_720.mp4 November https://i.imgur.com/XXvhOd3.mp4 December 
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Feb 22, 2021 11:24
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I suddenly remember buying a copy of this for $60 like in 2012. Toilet gameplay is on its way!  
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Feb 22, 2021 11:29
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Ah, restrooms and pooping tech. Imagine the possibilities. Diapers to be worn in spacesuits, just like real astronauts. QTEs for bodily excretory systems. Should I drink this black coffee or will it make me poop while on a combat mission? Controversy among backers surrounding access to public restrooms. And so on. Exciting.
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Feb 22, 2021 11:41
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Khanstant posted:my bad, WoW sucks in a lot of ways and i totally misread it as a bizarro world wow instead of applying the joke logic to another game as it seems obvious after i used it to diarrhea wow opinions unasked Let s/he that is without a bad/embarrassing post in the SC thread cast the first persistent wine glass.
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 Divert Attitude Control System (DACS) kinetic warheads: hover test. - good example for why the movement of SC ships is perfectly fine.https://v.redd.it/6v911rsoxqi61/DASH_480.mp4  Some naysayer posted:No, it's not perfectly fine for ships because of this.
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Feb 22, 2021 12:06
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Both sides there miss that even if they can come up with a lore reason for ships moving like that, they shouldn't because it looks like poo poo. Probably plays like poo poo too, but to be sure of that I'd have to play star citizen
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Feb 22, 2021 12:19
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Pixelate posted:The Hull ships are supposedly finally awakening like the Kraken. They've got the big ship-to-station docking tunnel thing coming that they need, and more importantly, they say Chris's magic physics grid code now allows for its slidey bits to slide past each other as it unfurls like a lego spider. (It's totally gonna ping bits of itself into the distance) The best part of Star Citizen is that they could also be talking about the RSI Orion, the other ship they sold in year 2 with big spinny cargo bits that has never been heard of since lol. Qwertycoatl posted:Both sides there miss that even if they can come up with a lore reason for ships moving like that, they shouldn't because it looks like poo poo. Probably plays like poo poo too, but to be sure of that I'd have to play star citizen This is why the arguments about window struts and flight models and poo poo are always so funny to me. These nerds get down in the mud and claw each other's eyes out over the manufacturing process of transparent aluminum or thrusters or whatever in Star Citizen's universe and everyone misses the part where someone goes "Yeah but it isn't fun???"
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Feb 22, 2021 13:47
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The original FFXIV had the flowerpots that had as many polygons as player characters, which crippled performance. What are the most wasteful assets in SC made in the name of fidelity, but not sanity?
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Beet Wagon posted:This is why the arguments about window struts and flight models and poo poo are always so funny to me. These nerds get down in the mud and claw each other's eyes out over the manufacturing process of transparent aluminum or thrusters or whatever in Star Citizen's universe and everyone misses the part where someone goes "Yeah but it isn't fun???"  's Razor: "Never attribute to design that which is adequately explained by incompetence."
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Feb 22, 2021 13:59
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Inspector Gesicht posted:The original FFXIV had the flowerpots that had as many polygons as player characters, which crippled performance. What are the most wasteful assets in SC made in the name of fidelity, but not sanity? Watermelons 
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Qwertycoatl posted:Both sides there miss that even if they can come up with a lore reason for ships moving like that, they shouldn't because it looks like poo poo. Probably plays like poo poo too, but to be sure of that I'd have to play star citizen it plays like poo poo
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Feb 22, 2021 14:30
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What are the most wasteful assets in SC made in the name of fidelity, but not sanity? chris roberts
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Popete posted:I do wonder what Chris actual position in the company these days is. They can't get rid of him but he was clearly told to stop talking and promising ever more poo poo they couldn't deliver. My guess is he retains his title but is functionally pushed into a corner. I'd not be surprised if CIG has indicated for all intents and purposes that SC is basically "feature complete" and released and they are just doing maintenance work on it. The only outstanding delivery is just Sq404.
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Grubby Hobo posted:Sandi might have no shame, but Chris will always know that he could not make the game of his dreams, even with fanboys throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at him, over more than a decade. I hope people in the circles he travels in now always remind him of that too. "Oh well look who showed up at tonight's drug orgy! Mr Chris "infinite time and money is still not enough for me to finish". Watch out boys and girls, if you get stuck with him he'll be incapable of finishing anything he started no matter how long you give him."
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Flannelette posted:I know it's optimistic but a lot of the stuff they've made ported back into a single player game would probably work fine, great even. I think it would. You should see performance closer to like Arena Captain. But that'd be dependent on what they did for some of the under the good stuff, like AI and player positioning and actions. Converting to single player may not be super easy either. But you'll see how awesome it is when sq44 releases to amazing applause.
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colonelwest posted:Yeah I admire the purity of Sandi. She showed nothing but contempt for the backers and their dumb space game for nerds, and was extremely obvious about just treating the project as a cash cow and a Hollywood vehicle. If you’re a lovely and greedy person, I’d rather you just own it. 
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The Titanic posted:I'd not be surprised if CIG has indicated for all intents and purposes that SC is basically "feature complete" and released and they are just doing maintenance work on it. The only outstanding delivery is just Sq404. I think internally they must consider Star Citizen to be “released” at this point. When you look at the roadmap, the scope of each update really looks like quarterly add-on’s and improvements to a finished product. They’ve had the “playable now” narrative going for a while now, and they’ve dropped the pretense of having even a vague outline for moving the game towards the scope they’ve promised. Everything is being quietly walked back and memory-holed, except for some low hanging Second Life tedium.
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colonelwest posted:Yeah I admire the purity of Sandi. She showed nothing but contempt for the backers and their dumb space game for nerds, and was extremely obvious about just treating the project as a cash cow and a Hollywood vehicle. If you’re a lovely and greedy person, I’d rather you just own it. As far as vehicles to Hollywood go, the grift-mobile works. Their kid Skye Roberts may actually make it as an actress given that she's been in some Disney roles and Doom Patrol and such. So Sandi gets to live vicariously through her kid. This won't be a disaster or have anything go wrong at all
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Pixelate posted:2020 review in gifs: it's beautiful
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God star citizen kicks rear end in so many different ways it’s this perfect microcosm of everything wrong with the games industry shoved into one product that a small group of idiots with undying loyalty playing this mediocre space sim forever out of sunk costs after putting tens of thousands of dollars into it. I look forward to the “video game critique” people making 18 hour long videos about it praising how subversive it is or some poo poo.
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I am sure it has been discussed earlier and I probably just missed it but... What is the general thinking of the outlook of the current CIG investors of getting their money back from this project? It seems clear that it would take a lot of more time and money to get anything usable out to the consumers even under competent managements.. more than any investor would be willing to provide. So.. Beyond milking the JPEG market, is there ANY value to the entire company and bits and bytes that have been created? Companies sometimes get broken up and sold piecemeal - is something like this even possible here? What realistic options are there to squeeze money out of this thing? Please feel free to point out some older post if this has been discussed lately. Thanks!
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peter gabriel posted:chris roberts He called me and we played sq42 yesterday. It was bigger and better than ever. Also space.
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LostRook posted:Was death by rear end from 2019? You can only fit so much rear end in one post! But yeah that’s just a random sample. Butt death was 3.12 PTU I think.
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SirTagz posted:I am sure it has been discussed earlier and I probably just missed it but... There’s definitely some value to the company (the old Coutts loan was secured against the UK assets and IP). But I doubt there’s $63m value... The thread has many theories (sucking on the ship sale teat, getting a foot in the games industry as a moon shot and not caring about failure). Agent’s leak summaries suggest they’re looking to SQ42 to actually launch soon and sell well at minimum (the mooks). And have flirted with the idea of marketing modules like ToW & Arena Commander more heavily. It does seem possible that they’ve fallen for a Chris pitch and thought that a product wasn’t far off. And are now turning the screws to get SQ42 to market.
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Why do people think the Calders have any ability to get this poo poo show under control and release an MVP? They invested over $40 million in this trash fire and threw in another $15 million plus as extra kindling. How does that not make them the biggest idiot backers donating to Chris’s luxury lifestyle fund?
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walruscat posted:Why do people think the Calders have any ability to get this poo poo show under control and release an MVP? Presumably the $55M has provisions for them to take control if things don't happen. They are the biggest idiots here though, yes.
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The calders have in the contract that they take ownership of all aeroplane wing desks if the game does not deliver so whatever happens they are quids in
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Pixelate posted:The thread has many theories (sucking on the ship sale teat, getting a foot in the games industry as a moon shot and not caring about failure). Agent’s leak summaries suggest they’re looking to SQ42 to actually launch soon and sell well at minimum (the mooks). And have flirted with the idea of marketing modules like ToW & Arena Commander more heavily. My theory has been, and continues to be, that the investors are big old sucker morons who didn't look too closely before throwing a wad of millions at one of the hundred different companies they invested in that year
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walruscat posted:Why do people think the Calders have any ability to get this poo poo show under control and release an MVP? They are either A) dumb as poo poo, B) being defrauded by Chris with false claims about the viability of the company as a whole, or C) Have a super secret plan to use their minority investment to wrest control of the company from Chris to potentially make some money off this scam before selling all their shares back to Chris, effectively cashing out and leaving CIG bankrupt. I'm leaning towards C because if all parties play their cards right, Chris and co can keep their accumulated salaries, Calders gets their money back plus some interest, Chris gets somebody to blame who doesn't care about how nerds on the the internet feel about being scammed, and the only victims are the backers, which is funny.
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"I won't lie to you about your chances of getting a game... but you have my contempt" So I see that Elite Dangerous is on sale on Steam. Is a sub 8 dollar game really the "competition" as envisioned by shitizens, or is that just a nominal cost and they make all their money from selling spacebucks? I'm not big on space pew pew games so I've never played it - I follow SC entirely for the shitshow.
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