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When trying to predict the future, “the rich people involved all pocket a ton of money and the poor idiots who trusted them are left holding the bill” is a pretty safe bet.
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after spending $3000 backing SC the new question is.... posted:age and intellect have many common traits or young and dumb are usually in the same boat. youthful players are often looking for more speed and thrill and the aged players are looking for accuracy and depth.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:27 |
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I always ever since I played the obscure Mac game Orb Mazez back in 1992 or thereabouts.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:40 |
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Hog Jowls posted:"I won't lie to you about your chances of getting a game... but you have my contempt" Elite as base is seven years old game, so it has been out for tiny money and even free on Epic, no reason to sell it for more anymore - who wanted it has it, so the pool to fish in is new players with massive discount and cosmetics. And of course Odyssey, which will be a full price again and will probably cash in quite well, even if only a million people buy it, it's ~43M USD injection. Sanya Juutilainen fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Dwesa posted:Divert Attitude Control System (DACS) kinetic warheads: hover test. - good example for why the movement of SC ships is perfectly fine. Ah, I see we are back to the good old "flight model is so good that it looks bad". Full circle.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 21:11 |
There's a lot of dumb stuff in that post, but I really want to know why they capitalize SIM.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 21:19 |
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Strangler 42 posted:They are either A) dumb as poo poo, B) being defrauded by Chris with false claims about the viability of the company as a whole, or C) Have a super secret plan to use their minority investment to wrest control of the company from Chris to potentially make some money off this scam before selling all their shares back to Chris, effectively cashing out and leaving CIG bankrupt. I'm leaning towards C because if all parties play their cards right, Chris and co can keep their accumulated salaries, Calders gets their money back plus some interest, Chris gets somebody to blame who doesn't care about how nerds on the the internet feel about being scammed, and the only victims are the backers, which is funny.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 21:19 |
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Pixelate posted:It’s mainly in chug & repeat mode. Biggest news this year was probably SQ42 totally missing its internal beta dates in Q2/Q3. Shockingly. And the endless roadmap to a new roadmap to explain all this. (The roadmap shows fundamental SQ42 dev as running into 2022 at least). My favorite part of that: quote:The last time we demoed the game, it was heavily scripted. [QA] had been playing it for hours and hours, getting the right route [and content]. The investors wanted it live, so nothing pre-recorded like we are used to sending. Everyone got really quiet when [they] asked if they could play it themselves and not follow the script at all. Almost immediately after the controller was handed over, they crashed. [Someone in the meeting] nervously laughed. I think that was the day we lost a lot of confidence with our investors and they started really looking at our progress.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 21:36 |
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God you thought Daymar was boring: PS use the arrows top left to spin round through 360 degrees.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 22:34 |
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Hog Jowls posted:"I won't lie to you about your chances of getting a game... but you have my contempt" It was actually recently free on Epic like a month ago. But yeah, the "huge competition" is a game that's pretty aged at this point, and if you've played it you've played it and are probably done with it (though people still do play it, and apparently it has fantastic VR support), and seemingly out of the kindness of their hearts Frontier continues to give it actual DLC upgrades that get people to come back to it. It's basically like Star Citizen is competing against something like Starflight because you can never try to find something to put yourself against, no matter how corny. Unfortunately for SC, they keep getting their teeth kicked in by Frontier because they keep making progress, albeit in a pretty boring game, but it is still progress. Ultimately, space shooters tend to be boring animals anyhow.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 23:13 |
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The Titanic posted:It was actually recently free on Epic like a month ago. As Sanya mentioned above, Frontier will surely sell more than a million copies of their (full price) dlc. I wonder how long it'll take Braben to casually mention they've sold more copies of the dlc than CIG have
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 23:30 |
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Jonny Shiloh posted:God you thought Daymar was boring: I was about to ask if this was from the new Mars rover, but the pictures from over 130 million miles away have much more clarity and the terrain design of Mars is much more inspired.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 23:33 |
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As a rocket scientist... whew. If that guy was one of the early backers who was enticed by CR when he was very much in his "simulated everything", I feel sorry for the guy. But as smart as he is I feel he should also realize that SC is everything anybody wants because it's marketed not to make a game but to sell a game to everybody. A lot of people were super excited for the simulation, being talked about to be DCS level with interactive cockpit buttons and the whole nine yard affair. Before SC became some weird walking simulator with a hunger meter with this insane focus on the FPS side of the game, it was all about space and the cool stuff ships would do. From thrusters rotating and spitting out real thrust that mattered to being damaged and reducing your mobility, to ship to ship docking and repairs with different materials to damage done to physicalized components and stuff getting damaged because of where it was hit... it was looking like DCS/Kerbal in an action game! Of course that only lasted so long, and then Santaball came around and suddenly SC was an esport game that would rival Star Craft and CoD, with death being faster than a CoD game and more realistic... and suddenly it was ARMA but also not because it was also arcade with the space ball game. Then it was also a space racing game, and things just got more confusing because it was pretty much everything to everybody. Didn't like PvP? Turn up/down your PvP slider to prevent people from attacking you or only certain kinds of people in some unknown range! LTI! It's... something! Did you like PvP? You could hunt anybody and everybody was a target! What's that about a slider? Not in out grindark universe! It's for all the bad players to be evil! Were you a pirate? We love pirates! Buy this pirate ship! Did you actually act like a pirate? gently caress, go to space prison you loser cheater. We hate you. Space farming! Space science! Own a store on a planet! Hunt procedural wildlife! Be eaten by a sandworm! Go explore a sandworm tunnel! Watch a battle from across the galaxy using your portable space telescope module! Mix a drink for passengers! Board and take over space ships with marines who are all players! Dynamically repair your damaged ships with ships that connect together to form space netting in some kind of repair thing and a giant repair ship. Literally buy land on a planet! Defend that land also with NPCs somehow! Yes, of course you can drive a tank around! And it's like a 2 story large tank! Have dune buggy races! Load your dune buggies into your space ships! --- Sorry Rocket Science guy. You would be better off buying a DCS module if you want a simulator because SC is never going to simulate anything except stories about all the simulation things you "can totally do (someday very soon we promise)!" But if you like stories and don't mind being lied to by a predatory marketing department who will tell you everything and anything you want to hear to get you to spend more money, then by all means enjoy further. Buy a Javelin or something. The Titanic fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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LostRook posted:I was about to ask if this was from the new Mars rover, but the pictures from over 130 million miles away have much more clarity and the terrain design of Mars is much more inspired. Yeah, the tesselation's horrendous and anyway, never forget, you could fit the whole of Jezero Crater inside Microtech... I mean, two Skyrim Radiant quests could fit underneath Miles Eckhardt's jacket... errm, a Star Citizen hotdog has more polygons than the entirety of Microprose's Civilization 2...
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 23:53 |
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The Titanic posted:But if you like stories and don't mind being lied to by a predatory marketing department who will tell you everything and anything you want to hear to get you to spend more money, then by all means enjoy further. Buy a Javelin or something. The reason the predatory marketing department is so successful is because backers don't think they're prey. But they very much are - in fact, they're the perfect prey: their resources regenerate over time, so they can be farmed repeatedly, and they think they're the predators, so they're not even watching out for predation. News flash to backers: you're not the wolves, you're the sheep. You're not the lions, you're the gazelles. You're not the foxes, you're the chickens. If you weren't, you'd have succeeded in real life and not been desperate to escape into a fake one, trying to prove how much of a failure you aren't by conspicuously consuming worthless JPEGs for large dollar amounts, while simultaneously demanding those expenses give you permanent status. You know who's more successful than SC believers? Everyone.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 00:21 |
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Jonny Shiloh posted:God you thought Daymar was boring: Pure FUD! Once the Mars pipelines get going there will be more content in that landing zone than all of Skyrim!
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 00:26 |
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Scruffpuff posted:The reason the predatory marketing department is so successful is because backers don't think they're prey. But they very much are - in fact, they're the perfect prey: their resources regenerate over time, so they can be farmed repeatedly, and they think they're the predators, so they're not even watching out for predation. You forgot whales.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 00:27 |
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SirTagz posted:I am sure it has been discussed earlier and I probably just missed it but... that's what they are banking on 100%
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 00:28 |
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Mirificus posted:age and intellect have many common traits or young and dumb are usually in the same boat. youthful players are often looking for more speed and thrill and the aged players are looking for accuracy and depth. only one thing thrills me more than someone couching their own subjective personal tastes as inherently intelligent--someone doing so with absolutely abysmal syntax!
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 00:32 |
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TheAgent posted:chris roberts has mentioned he'll move 10 million units of SQ42 in the first year its released (lol) This absolutely amazes me. He's taken so long working toward this goal (he made no progress toward this goal, nor ever had any chance of reaching it) that the entire industry has changed substantially enough to make the point moot. I wonder if he's still picturing his game prominently featuring in windows and endcaps at Electronics Boutique in the mall.* *E.B. may not exist. Mall may not exist. Game definitely will not exist.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 00:56 |
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90% of the people who will ever own star citizen already own it
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 01:01 |
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Scruffpuff posted:This absolutely amazes me. He's taken so long working toward this goal (he made no progress toward this goal, nor ever had any chance of reaching it) that the entire industry has changed substantially enough to make the point moot. I wonder if he's still picturing his game prominently featuring in windows and endcaps at Electronics Boutique in the mall.*
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 01:02 |
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Scruffpuff posted:This absolutely amazes me. He's taken so long working toward this goal (he made no progress toward this goal, nor ever had any chance of reaching it) that the entire industry has changed substantially enough to make the point moot. I wonder if he's still picturing his game prominently featuring in windows and endcaps at Electronics Boutique in the mall.*
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 01:08 |
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The thing about Star Citizen is games exist in moments. Call of Duty cultivated a moment into being a popular franchise for a decade, same thing with World of Warcraft and even Super Mario Bros. Star Citizen will never have a moment, there will never be a time where a 12 year old kid wakes up and wants a 2500 spaceship when you can spend money in Roblox instead. There has never been upward momentum for star citizen and there never will be.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 01:25 |
Star Citizens moment was remaking a 90s classic that people fondly remembered and backed for. Instead it's stuck chasing after the current trends in gaming and failing to make progress towards any sort of complete state.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 01:30 |
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Ostentatious posted:The thing about Star Citizen is games exist in moments. Call of Duty cultivated a moment into being a popular franchise for a decade, same thing with World of Warcraft and even Super Mario Bros. Star Citizen will never have a moment, there will never be a time where a 12 year old kid wakes up and wants a 2500 spaceship when you can spend money in Roblox instead. The cost of entry to have an enjoyable time and not be destroyed by literally everything is far too much for kids and I'd suggest most adults too. Most adults with sense will not plunk down that kind of money at one time. You got to milk them slowly over time. And I'm still eager to see how crushing it is to advance ahead in the game. If it takes months to get a new ship people will just not have fun.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 01:58 |
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Scruffpuff posted:This absolutely amazes me. He's taken so long working toward this goal (he made no progress toward this goal, nor ever had any chance of reaching it) that the entire industry has changed substantially enough to make the point moot. I wonder if he's still picturing his game prominently featuring in windows and endcaps at Electronics Boutique in the mall.* But Gamestop stock is up!
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 01:58 |
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Jonny Shiloh posted:God you thought Daymar was boring: Looks like Elite Dangerous, boring as hell.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 02:55 |
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https://i.imgur.com/7S9ikTu.mp4
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 03:13 |
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Dwesa posted:Divert Attitude Control System (DACS) kinetic warheads: hover test. - good example for why the movement of SC ships is perfectly fine. drat imagine trying to use the jacuzzi in this thing
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 03:33 |
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Dwesa posted:Divert Attitude Control System (DACS) kinetic warheads: hover test. - good example for why the movement of SC ships is perfectly fine. drat I can’t believe we finally invented no clip. This is revolutionary.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 03:59 |
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The Titanic posted:As a rocket scientist... whew. Time has shown us before that games which focus TOO much on being super specific and hardcore fidelitious don't last long once the honeymoon phase is over I'm thinking of Hellion specifically, which was VERY unforgiving and modelled everything you could ever want re: space and vaccum and such It never made it out of early access , as far as most people were concerned. Everyone that was going to bought it in the first 1-3 years after it launched in 2017, and then they called an end of development in 2019 stating there was no more income and couldn't afford to keep the servers up March 2020 they officially disbanded the dev team and that's the end of that story. What I'm trying to say is, the same is / will happen with SC , no matter how good a game it turns out to be. Whoever said 90% of the people who want to play the game have already bought it is very true, even if the whales buy another 10 copies to try and keep it afloat on release day it won't matter. The game is dead already and hasn't even been released to the public It's just a matter of time now until the money starts to run out and Chris can't keep spending 10k a month on server costs, I call the first sign will be them closing up a studio and playing it off as 'no longer needed because the development is so close to being finished' It may be 1-2-3 more years but it's coming sure as taxes
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 04:04 |
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I thought it would have folded two years ago and I was 100% wrong. It just keeps grifting along
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 04:07 |
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Awesome! posted:90% of the people who will ever own star citizen already own it 100% of the people that have Star Citizen are already owned
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 04:45 |
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:I thought it would have folded two years ago and I was 100% wrong. It just keeps grifting along Yeah it's odd. But they are not just floating on whale oil. They needed a bank loan some years back, then they got investors, and I'm not sure how many times you can pull that trick and still have nothing to show for it. I won't bother predicting when this collapses because history shows that it's impossible to tell. But the fact that they keep on trucking is not an indication of progress, or success, it's just an indication that really stupid people are still shoveling money into the furnace. I suspect, with the amount of money we're talking about, and the incredible burn rate due to ludicrous unnecessary expenses to make CIG look like a game development studio, that the end will be swift and sudden. Chris is never getting his 10 million copies sold, he's never getting millions of dollars in residual monthly income from subscribers. The money they're going to get is the money they've already gotten. If they needed bank loans and investors to stay afloat, then whales alone won't be enough to keep the lights on, even if they do a Tier-0 release. "Release" date is going to be a cut and run, followed by CIG servers going dark, followed by petitions by the community to release the code so they can run their own servers, just like we've seen hundreds of times before. And the backers will be howling into the void as Chris wanders off to his next grift.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 07:50 |
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Blue On Blue posted:even if the whales buy another 10 copies to try and keep it afloat on release day it won't matter. How about 10 Idrises?
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 08:08 |
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The Titanic posted:The cost of entry to have an enjoyable time and not be destroyed by literally everything is far too much for kids and I'd suggest most adults too. Most adults with sense will not plunk down that kind of money at one time. You got to milk them slowly over time. I'm sure they will introduce ship leasing, a.k.a. the Idris-as-a-service model.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 08:11 |
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ronmcd posted:As Sanya mentioned above, Frontier will surely sell more than a million copies of their (full price) dlc. I wonder how long it'll take Braben to casually mention they've sold more copies of the dlc than CIG have Ironically the same critiques SC fanatics have repeatedly thrown over ED about the lack of first person gameplay would have also probably helped built up a ton of hype for it and will probably contribute to those sales, if it does sale well. Thanks SC shitheads!
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lobsterminator posted:I'm sure they will introduce ship leasing, a.k.a. the Idris-as-a-service model. It's not as good or easy as the current dreams-as-a-service model.
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TheAgent posted:chris roberts has mentioned he'll move 10 million units of SQ42 in the first year its released (lol) His game will be so good he won't need the reach of epic or steam. Customers will be blowing up the RSI severs for a chance to get in on the action. He could sell other games on his platform for 40% cut because of the tech they developed in it. Sky is the limit when you are full of poo poo.
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