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Somehow pleased to see that cartoons-in-the-real-world movies in 2021 don't look any better than Who Framed Roger Rabbit
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paradoxGentleman posted:I feel like he's not entirely wrong, though. We have seen people react very positively to the depiction of homosexual relationships in cartoons, and despite that Disney will still push against it. Their brand is just that precious to them. Pretty much just the usual internet nazi and poorly disguised nazi whiners no one sane pays attention to anymore. There really isn't a Moral Majority anymore worth speaking of.
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Feb 27, 2021 15:30
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty much just the usual internet nazi and poorly disguised nazi whiners no one sane pays attention to anymore. There really isn't a Moral Majority anymore worth speaking of. Don't some countries censor that stuff though? I remember they made Ruby a dude in SU, and I'm really curious to know how they handled the (unskippable, really important to the plot) wedding episode where she's wearing a dress.
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Feb 27, 2021 15:40
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Didn't they make that episode kind of explicitly as a gently caress-you to the people/countries who would otherwise be able to handwave their way past it?
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Feb 27, 2021 15:42
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Elman posted:Don't some countries censor that stuff though? I remember they made Ruby a dude in SU, and I'm really curious to know how they handled the (unskippable, really important to the plot) wedding episode where she's wearing a dress. They just skip the episode. The guy censoring gay weddings in Russian children’s cartoons doesn’t care about preserving the lore or plot line.
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Feb 27, 2021 16:05
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It's less to please the fractured moral majority in the US - it's more not to lose out on that China money, movies that do poorly in the US can still make money hand over fist in China.
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Feb 27, 2021 17:32
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I just watched Disney's Atlantis. It's definitely one of the more made by committee animated films I've seen.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:44
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Schwarzwald posted:I just watched Disney's Atlantis. It's definitely one of the more made by committee animated films I've seen. I think they were getting spooked by stuff like Titan A.E. and Dreamworks things and tricking themselves into thinking they were doomed unless they followed the trends of the upstarts (didn't help that they were fresh out of fairy tales to adapt). I remember a CalArts friend telling me the studio pitch one-liners were "Fewer songs, more explosions" and "Not a dry pair of pants in the house"
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Feb 28, 2021 01:55
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I enjoy Atlantis, but what I think that movie really suffered from was just having WAY too many characters. You could've gotten rid of The Mole, Ernest's old man character, the old lady, Helga really didn't serve a huge purpose, you could've probably merged her with Rourke into one character. I would keep Sweets and Audrey, and I would never cut Vinny.
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Feb 28, 2021 02:01
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Atlantis is a pretty solid movie until they get to Atlantis
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Feb 28, 2021 02:03
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It felt like a film without an audience. The less exaggerated designs and older cast seemed to be pushing for an older audience than the typical Disney family film, but the relentless pacing, punched-up script, and constant repetition of plot points made me feel like it was aimed at squarely at five-year-olds.
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Feb 28, 2021 02:07
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I've said it before in the thread, too, but the character designs are all over the place; Mole and Sweet really don't seem like they belong in the same movie. Also, quoting myself here - shout outs to what has to be the highest body count in a Disney movie (that entire sub, just full of redshirts), and the weird rear end way the villain died, which had the distinct feeling of two people arguing for their versions in the writers room until someone else side "gently caress IT WE'LL DO THEM BOTH"
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Feb 28, 2021 02:13
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it has a very similar vibe to Hercules: really fun and pretty fleshed out characters that deserved to be in a better movie. even the villains felt neutered
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Feb 28, 2021 02:24
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Megera posted:it has a very similar vibe to Hercules: really fun and pretty fleshed out characters that deserved to be in a better movie. even the villains felt neutered I've really come around on Hercules over time. The main character himself is dull but the others make enough for me, and the humor is pretty great.
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Feb 28, 2021 02:31
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Such highs and lows. Way-too-intense Rip Torn Zeus is amazing, but Hera as doting mother is lmao. Crazy cool Gerald Scarfe art design, godawful CGI on the hydra. Rad motown/R&B twist on the music, but I'm not so sure the Rocky/prizefighting reframe works. Hades is fantastic in concept and execution, but it's hard to watch him knowing it's James Woods. Etc e: also it's about where I started thinking it's a little weird and off-putting that Disney keeps insisting on having the story center around the hero/heroine moping about finding "the place where I belong" Data Graham fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Feb 28, 2021 02:49
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Data Graham posted:Such highs and lows. Way-too-intense Rip Torn Zeus is amazing, but Hera as doting mother is lmao. Crazy cool Gerald Scarfe art design, godawful CGI on the hydra. Rad motown/R&B twist on the music, but I'm not so sure the Rocky/prizefighting reframe works. Hades is fantastic in concept and execution, but it's hard to watch him knowing it's James Woods. Etc Yeah it’s a weird feeling, I like Woods’ performance as Hades in everything the character’s been in but I despise the actor as a person. The movie itself is ok for the most part though.
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Feb 28, 2021 03:08
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And I honestly like Meg as a character, someone who romantically as she said 'been there, done that' showing you can love again after your True Love turned out to be a scumbag.
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Feb 28, 2021 03:17
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I watched a bunch of the Hercules cartoon as a kid and felt it made a decent accompaniment to the movie. It was pretty silly.
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Feb 28, 2021 05:11
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Larryb posted:Yeah it’s a weird feeling, I like Woods’ performance as Hades in everything the character’s been in but I despise the actor as a person. The movie itself is ok for the most part though. He really elevates the movie and it shows when he explode in anger and still play the sardonic side of his Hades. Its a shame he is a shithead in real life cause its a great performance. For what its worth, I've always thought the characters of Atlantis deserve a better movie than Atlantis.
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Feb 28, 2021 06:11
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Atlantis feels like it was more of a setup for a TV show than a movie. Ironically they were actually going to make a spinoff TV show but it got cancelled so they threw together the episode and concepts they had made into a direct to video sequel.
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Feb 28, 2021 06:13
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yeah, too bad mini-series weren't really a thing when Atlantis was released, because it would've worked much better as a two-season series than a crammed 96 minute movie (also is it me or did it seem like every animated movie in the early 2000s tend to stop around the 90-minute mark)
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Feb 28, 2021 07:05
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I was one of the many kids that learned about Greek mythology through Hercules and is now kinda getting it by playing Hades. I really need to watch it again.
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Feb 28, 2021 09:40
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I was one of the kids that already knew about Greek mythology and was mad they didn't reflect it accurately. Hera is the one who tried to kill Hercules, not Hades, and why didn't Hercules kill his family and then go on a journey to redeem himself??
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Feb 28, 2021 09:49
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Is it kinda weird that they refer to Hades' purpose as "the gospel truth"?? Otherwise I'm still loving Hades. I can ignore the James Woods just because of how good the animation on him is.
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Feb 28, 2021 11:05
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Realised/remembered suddenly that it makes sense the Hercules TV cartoon uses a variant of Zero to Hero as its theme song, since it takes place during the period of time the montage covers. It also covered about as many Greek myths as they could manage in almost Asterix inspired style. The Prometheus episode is an old favourite. ed: Rewatching that episode for old times' sakes and I didn't realise just how Jewish all these Greek deities were. I presume the eagle eating Prometheus' liver is doing an impression from before my time. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Feb 28, 2021 11:16
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I watched a bunch of the Hercules cartoon as a kid and felt it made a decent accompaniment to the movie. It was pretty silly. The cartoon was really funny indeed. Why did Disney ever stop with those accompanying cartoons. Aladdin and Hercules are both very enjoyable cartoon series.
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Feb 28, 2021 12:39
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Darth TNT posted:The cartoon was really funny indeed. Why did Disney ever stop with those accompanying cartoons. Aladdin and Hercules are both very enjoyable cartoon series. They still do them from time to time. I think Big Hero 6 and Tangled were the most recent. They've also got series for Monster Inc. and Zootopia in the works.
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Feb 28, 2021 15:00
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I still chuckle to this day over how DuckTales got its start as a weird accidental spinoff from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggmVm2ljDuw
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Feb 28, 2021 15:14
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Darth TNT posted:The cartoon was really funny indeed. Why did Disney ever stop with those accompanying cartoons. Aladdin and Hercules are both very enjoyable cartoon series. Aladdin, Hercules, Emporer's New School, etc, almost all of the TV shows that were based off of movies did absolutely nothing for me. I hated how they looked, the voices not all being the same, nothing about them were funny. The one exception for me was the Timon and Pumba cartoon, which I thought was hysterical and I enjoyed that, even though Timon's voice was clearly not the same (except for that one weird short where they sing Stand By Me)
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Feb 28, 2021 15:21
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J-Spot posted:They still do them from time to time. I think Big Hero 6 and Tangled were the most recent. Tangled: The Series was absolutely better than it had any right to be.
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Feb 28, 2021 15:22
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The songs in Hercules are so, so good. Gospel was an inspired choice of genre for a movie about a God, and Go the Distance is an incredibly strong song. Mostly, though, I just wanted to post the bit of the Magic kingdom fireworks show that uses it as the climax, because it gives me chills every time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bN5b11H4_s&t=888s Should queue to about 14:45. The fans at 16:15 
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Feb 28, 2021 15:39
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Phylodox posted:Tangled: The Series was absolutely better than it had any right to be. Also apparently it's not over yet. I think I heard that a new season got greenlit recently.
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Feb 28, 2021 18:04
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Larryb posted:Also apparently it's not over yet. I think I heard that a new season got greenlit recently. Really? It ended on a pretty definitive note.
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Feb 28, 2021 18:06
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Phylodox posted:Really? It ended on a pretty definitive note. Not sure how reliable this is but here: https://releasedate.me/rapunzels-tangled-adventure/
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Feb 28, 2021 18:09
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One of these days I should watch that series.
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Feb 28, 2021 19:51
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The Aladdin tv series inspired a lot of stuff for my dungeons and dragons campaign. The show was basically Al-Qadim: the Series, but better because it also had insect-themed steam robots and Vikings.
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Feb 28, 2021 20:35
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MinionOfCthulhu posted:The Aladdin tv series inspired a lot of stuff for my dungeons and dragons campaign. The show was basically Al-Qadim: the Series, but better because it also had insect-themed steam robots and Vikings. And sand witches!
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Feb 28, 2021 20:50
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Everyone should read some of the arabian nights. They're vivid stories and full of people being beaten up and thrown into chests due to highly improbable circumstances and misunderstandings. Better than the aladdin cartoon even!!
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paradoxGentleman posted:One of these days I should watch that series. Tangled? It’s actually stupid how good it is. It actually continues the story and expands on the lore and characters and world in ways that are really great and interesting. Plus Bruce Campbell plays Flynn’s dad, which is just some of the most inspired casting ever.
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Phylodox posted:Tangled: The Series was absolutely better than it had any right to be. Can confirm. Finally started it up after multiple recommends from this thread and it's incredible how it's already hit it's groove on episode 1.
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