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GentlemanofLeisure posted:Nah, this "discussion" started because he said this looks good: You left out the part where I explicitly said I think the M5 looks better and the "pig nose" was in comparison to the zoomed out picture taken from the right height. That M5 is one of the prettiest cars ever made and I'm glad they took some of that DNA, even if they didn't quite hit the mark.
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I can’t help but feel the hideous grille would look slightly less hideous if the slats were vertical and not horizontal.
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:Nah, this "discussion" started because he said this looks good: Well yes, but at that point we were just pointing out how wrong he was, the stupid part came later 
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Lord Ludikrous posted:I can’t help but feel the hideous grille would look slightly less hideous if the slats were vertical and not horizontal. I 100% agree with this take. Bape Culture posted:Also he questioned my design career I'm questioning your existence at this point. Have I gotten rona and is this all a fever dream?
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:Nah, this "discussion" started because he said this looks good: yeah i mean at some level if you start off trollin don't get all sad when people think you are an idiot i cannot imagine spending the better part of a hundred thousand american dollars on frankly any new car so i really don't get why of all things the sort of fat, not very attractive, but nice interior M3 is The Joint
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glyph posted:Since we're taking a bit of a design diversion here. Did Bangle ever mention the e30 M3 trunk as inspiration for the "Bangle butt"? Why is the trunk like that on e30 m3's? To match the altered rear window and still be able to open? The trunk has always caught my eye and looked kind of off... Lightbulb Out posted:that doesn't change the BMW has been traditionally a "luxury" brand in the United States. Most people aren't psychos like me with a retirement plan of E30s  Old BMW best BMW. I keep thinking about going back to an E30 daily...as well as some other stupid idea.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:yeah i mean at some level if you start off trollin don't get all sad when people think you are an idiot 100k is a lot to spend on a troll and I assure you, good sir, I am completely sincere 
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KillHour posted:You left out the part where I explicitly said I think the M5 looks better and the "pig nose" was in comparison to the zoomed out picture taken from the right height. That M5 is one of the prettiest cars ever made and I'm glad they took some of that DNA, even if they didn't quite hit the mark. There is nothing in the style of the G80 that is derived from the E28. You don't even need to design cars for a living to see that.
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KillHour posted:I was too young to be in the market for M3 or 911 cars at the time but you're saying the old 911s are better inside than the current Cayman and, in turn, that the old M3s were nicer inside than those 911s? I can't really say much to that other than I like the current Cayman interior (in higher trims with all the boxes checked) a lot more than the F90 interior (and actually a bit more than the G80 interior still).
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glyph posted:Since we're taking a bit of a design diversion here. Did Bangle ever mention the e30 M3 trunk as inspiration for the "Bangle butt"? Why is the trunk like that on e30 m3's? To match the altered rear window and still be able to open? The trunk has always caught my eye and looked kind of off... I missed this. But I’ve worked with chris and honestly i think he just likes odd converging lines and complex highlights that describe the full body of the surfaces.
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BlackMK4 posted:The point is that the M3 has always been more or less on par interior wise (it was the measure to be drawn against) with its actual competition since forever. It hasn't been until the last generation or two that BMW has shifted towards being more of a luxury brand versus a sports-gt car with a gentlemans interior. Ah. Well, I can't really argue with that much. I will limit my assertion of them being not-as-nice inside as Merc/Audi/Porsche to just the last 10 years and just the cars I've specifically been in, and will reassert that I'm happy they are going in that direction, even if some people aren't. Also I will point out that "how nice an interior is" is an opinion and not a statement of fact, however I am open to suggestions for other cars that will make my SO happy and still let me shred tires (that isn't a C63 because my friend already has one).
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KillHour posted:Ah. Well, I can't really argue with that much. I will limit my assertion of them being not-as-nice inside as Merc/Audi/Porsche to just the last 10 years and just the cars I've specifically been in, and will reassert that I'm happy they are going in that direction, even if some people aren't. Yeah, I think a lot of people are upset with that movement. Before this you more or less had Mercedes on one end and Porsche on the other end. Lexus was the reliable Mercedes, Audi was closer to Mercedes and BMW was closer to Porsche. BMW has started moving away from Porsche and closer to Audi in the last couple of generations.
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BlackMK4 posted:Yeah, I think a lot of people are upset with that movement. Merc on the luxury end or the sporty end? I assume luxury? Remember I'm ~30, so "old car" to me doesn't mean what it does to a lot of other people here. My memory of the E chassis BMWs are those things that were going away when I was in highschool.
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Yeah, luxury to sporty axis.
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Well, anyways, the M4 is finally in the part of that axis where my SO will let me buy one as a daily so I'mma go for it and I hope BMW keeps making the M2 forever because it, too, is a cool car if that's what you're into.
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KillHour posted:Merc on the luxury end or the sporty end? I assume luxury? I'm roughly the same age but have a ton of experience with e-chassis cars 
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Lightbulb Out posted:I'm roughly the same age but have a ton of experience with e-chassis cars That's cool, but people (not necessarily always the same people) are simultaneously trying to say the E-chassis is the yardstick the current gen must be measured against but also it's not fair to compare them because technology has improved in 15 years. I can't really make a cohesive argument against both of those things at the same time. From my perspective, I'm leasing this thing because I'm not interested in a daily that is broken down half the time, so the fact that E-chassis cars even exist doesn't really factor into my buying decision. I'm cross shopping other new cars.
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KillHour posted:That's cool, but people (not necessarily always the same people) are simultaneously trying to say the E-chassis is the yardstick the current gen must be measured against but also it's not fair to compare them because technology has improved in 15 years. I can't really make a cohesive argument against both of those things at the same time. From my perspective, I'm leasing this thing because I'm not interested in a daily that is broken down half the time, so the fact that E-chassis cars even exist doesn't really factor into my buying decision. I'm cross shopping other new cars. It's not fair to compare 15 year old cars to new cars, yes. It's not unfair to compare E-chassis code cars with other cars of the same vintage. The impression I got was that you were doing the former, not the latter. You have the money get whatever car floats your boat. This tension between sportiness and luxury has always been a BMW enthusiast thing.
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Yall. If someone wants to buy a G code M car, let them, it's only going to drive prices down for older cars in the market. It may be idiotically hideous, but progress is going to march regardless of what a bunch of insular idiots on a dying comedy forum think.
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Lightbulb Out posted:It's not fair to compare 15 year old cars to new cars, yes. It's not unfair to compare E-chassis code cars with other cars of the same vintage. The impression I got was that you were doing the former, not the latter. I'm honestly not trying to compare anything except the current M cars to the current offerings from Audi/Merc/et al. (and I guess their n-1 generation stuff) but the conversation got really weird and confusing with like 6 people making totally different arguments so Crunchy Black posted:Yall. I just embraced the Stockholm syndrome by staring at the G82 configurator for hours and hours at a time. You, too, shall all succumb eventually. KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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My argument is this: I’m cool and the fastest bmw driver in this thread. Posting is my life and I love to Lol. Also I’m very handsom e
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KillHour posted:That's cool, but people (not necessarily always the same people) are simultaneously trying to say the E-chassis is the yardstick the current gen must be measured against but also it's not fair to compare them because technology has improved in 15 years. I can't really make a cohesive argument against both of those things at the same time. From my perspective, I'm leasing this thing because I'm not interested in a daily that is broken down half the time, so the fact that E-chassis cars even exist doesn't really factor into my buying decision. I'm cross shopping other new cars. E chassis cars are what made BMW into the brand it is today, BMW enthusiasts are definitely going to use those cars as a basis to compare more modern versions to.
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rscott posted:E chassis cars are what made BMW into the brand it is today, BMW enthusiasts are definitely going to use those cars as a basis to compare more modern versions to. That's fine but it doesn't help me pick a car to buy. I'm not a [manufacturer] enthusiast, I'm a car enthusiast. I really couldn't care less about the badge (evidenced by the ridiculous selection of cars I've owned).
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KillHour posted:The last E code BMW was from 2008 MY, so 14 years ago. 2016.  If that's too esoteric of an E chassis for you, then 2013: 
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glyph posted:2016. I went by when production started, not when it ended.
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NitroSpazzz posted:
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BlackMK4 posted:Before this you more or less had Mercedes on one end and Porsche on the other end. Lexus was the reliable Mercedes, Audi was closer to Mercedes and BMW was closer to Porsche. BMW has started moving away from Porsche and closer to Audi in the last couple of generations. This is a pretty great summary, and puts in to words why I'm uncomfortable with where BMW is moving. If you only have room for 1 car, maybe the middle makes sense, but if you can have more than 1 car, why not get a car that tilts towards luxury and also get a car that tilts towards the sports side of things? Of course what I did is right.
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Residency Evil posted:This is a pretty great summary, and puts in to words why I'm uncomfortable with where BMW is moving. If you only have room for 1 car, maybe the middle makes sense, but if you can have more than 1 car, why not get a car that tilts towards luxury and also get a car that tilts towards the sports side of things? Doesn't this just mean the BMW is an option for your luxury car and you pick another marque as your sporty car though? That's what I'm doing.
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KillHour posted:Doesn't this just mean the BMW is an option for your luxury car and you pick another marque as your sporty car though? That's what I'm doing. I guess it's more how I feel about the M3 specifically. If I have space for two cars, BMW/Mercedes/Audi/Porsche/Lexus make a lot of cars that can fit the bill for a daily driver. For a daily driver, I want something with enough room for the dog/future kids/etc, with comfortable seats, low NVH, and suspension that glides over the terrible roads of our crumbling infrastructure. Right now, we have a Macan/E450 wagon for those roles, although I admit I go back and forth on occasion on whether I might want to try something sportier down the road. The M3 feels like a compromise for the DD role as well as the sports car role. I've driven them a few times, but admittedly I've never owned one.
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This MPG comparison is always funny to me and was actually reversed until just recently. Also, any car feels like a Lambo after driving a big rear end truck around. 
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Every BMW I've ever owned except my eta E30 has gotten about 17 MPG combined, it's pretty funny really
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The e89 got poo poo on when it was new but in retrospect it was good so...... Also yes my 6.2 AT4 gets better gas mileage than my M2 ha...let's not talk about the ETA stroker, even presuming it ever runs again.
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My 325e would get 28mpg with the o2 sensor unplugged 
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glyph posted:If that's too esoteric of an E chassis for you, then 2013: Because I'm a pedantic rear end in a top hat (i.e. a BMW owner) the only 2013 E9X was the 335is and the M3. The F30 went on sale for the end of the 2012 model year, so basically a decade ago. Also, nobody really gives a poo poo about the Z4. rscott posted:E chassis cars are what made BMW into the brand it is today, BMW enthusiasts are definitely going to use those cars as a basis to compare more modern versions to. The F80 M3 is better in every way than the E9X M3 before it except the way it sounds. The F30 340i when properly equipped (i.e. non-xdrive with the m-sport suspension) was the best non-M 3 series until the M340i. For the record, I've driven an e90 M3 and a smattering of regular 3 series including a 330 and N54 and N55 335. I would 100% pick the F30 F340 over any of them with the only exception of the M3. I have a feeling that a lot of the people bitching about new BMWs don't drive them.
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I think the new M3 is really ugly but I don't think basically any new car really drives badly
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rscott posted:Every BMW I've ever owned except my eta E30 has gotten about 17 MPG combined, it's pretty funny really I can get 17 mpg city in the f80 if I drive at all like a normal person. It’s usually around 15.
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My 850Ci got 11mpg around town and 18 when operated exclusively on the highway (282 net hp). Is there some kind of losers award for bad gas mileage?
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I regularly get single digits in the Aston. I don't look at the gas mileage indicator anymore.
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Lightbulb Out posted:I miss my daily E30 so much. It was so good and so much fun in the winter. But it was just rotting in my driveway outside barely being driven, so it's good that I moved on but.... E21, E30 and E28 all get 12-15mpg in the mountains. Last, and first, tank on the i3 got 783.1 mpg.
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Bape Culture posted:My argument is this: Post pics of your Supreme gear. I am not the market for the new G80. I appreciate that one of our forum members is getting one though and look forward to vicariously experiencing that and reading thoughts on it. mpg edit: the E90 has a baby size fuel tank and I get like 200 miles between fillups. Last fill up netted 12 mpg barely
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