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larkko posted:Have some predictable Torts quotes about Patrik Laine: I mean, Ken Hitchcock turned Rick Nash into more of an all-around player (his ability to pick off D to D passes while on the PK and spring a breakaway was a thing of beauty) but I'm not sure Torts will be able to pull that off with Laine.
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Jhet posted:Please no. He would be very not popular immediately. The old boys club is very strong and I don’t think it would even be a PR disaster if they went Torts or Babcock. I mean Babcock got a National TV gig with the weakest of non-apologies and Torts won the Jack Adams. That being said, I still think they look elsewhere...just seems like an easy opportunity to differentiate yourself from the pack.
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WeaponX posted:The old boys club is very strong and I don’t think it would even be a PR disaster if they went Torts or Babcock. I mean Babcock got a National TV gig with the weakest of non-apologies and Torts won the Jack Adams. Nationally and in the league I’d agree with you. Here in Seattle they would be alienating a large part of their audience in the expansion year. Better to start with someone who isn’t offensive and get your base used to happily spending money before pissing half of them off.
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Mar 8, 2021 18:51
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Cartoon Man posted:There’s been a lot of Caps fan chatter about trading Kuzy and/or Vrana to get Forsberg back... Isn't trading a youngish, underperforming winger for the established but somewhat underwhelming winger just a rehash of the trade that saw Forsberg leave in the first place?
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Mar 8, 2021 18:57
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ThinkTank posted:I love how those polls of fans suggesting the team trade their promising but unspectacular young player for an established superstar are always 50/50. The best possible outcome for Nick Suzuki and Alex Romanov is they turn into a 1B centre and a middle of the road #2. In what universe is that too much to pay for Jack Eichel a boneafide franchise centre other than it's kinda fun to watch a prospect develop in real time? Agreed. It would be funny to see a more realistic return in those polls, since if Eichel moves, the return is going to be multiple roster players, multiple blue chip prospects, and multiple firsts. I suppose a lot of fans have just become emotionally invested in and overhyped their own franchises prospects. It would suck to see the Rangers give up half a dozen guys who I think of as the future of the team right now, but if the deal was on the table, I'd still take it. Now watch LA give up two blue-chip center prospects and still end up with Eichel-Byfield-Kopitar down the middle.
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Mar 8, 2021 18:58
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Boudreu’s been sittin on his big jolly butt doing nothing this season but calling in to the Caps pregame and postgame shows. He’s probably the best choice for Seattle unless someone else gets fired that’s better.
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Mar 8, 2021 19:01
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ThinkTank posted:Isn't trading a youngish, underperforming winger for the established but somewhat underwhelming winger just a rehash of the trade that saw Forsberg leave in the first place? Huh? Vrana's not even 2 years younger than Forsberg, and Forsberg was traded in the midst of a pretty good draft+1 year for a 31-year-old Erat. Forsberg's also having yet another great season so I don't see why Nashville would trade him other than his propensity to missing 15-20 games per season.
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Mar 8, 2021 19:07
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The Seattle coach job is a trap IMO. After Vegas' stupidly fluky first year success the expectations are going to be irrationally high for a roster that won't likely be very good.
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Mar 8, 2021 19:08
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Counterpoint: Most of the same GMs are still running teams
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Mar 8, 2021 19:13
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Yeah there might be fans disappointed that Seattle doesn't get the rocket start right out of the gate the way Vegas did but that's gonna be about it. The only level of sport that gets trigger happy as hell on firing coaches is college football and that's its own bizarro universe. North american pro sports league leadership by and wide is patient to a fault.
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Mar 8, 2021 19:17
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DJExile posted:Yeah there might be fans disappointed that Seattle doesn't get the rocket start right out of the gate the way Vegas did but that's gonna be about it. I don’t know many people here who expect a rocket start like Vegas did. I just know people who want them to be less depressing than the Mariners.
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TJ Oshie is gonna be on Seattle as Captain. Gonna be sad to see him leave the Caps though, but he’ll be a rockstar on that team. He’s once again playing lights out this year.
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Eeli maybe turning a corner might be the only good thing that’s happened for the Preds this year
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eXXon posted:Huh? Vrana's not even 2 years younger than Forsberg, and Forsberg was traded in the midst of a pretty good draft+1 year for a 31-year-old Erat. Forsberg's also having yet another great season so I don't see why Nashville would trade him other than his propensity to missing 15-20 games per season. Erat has a ppg of .71 in the 2.5 years leading up to his trade. Forsberg's ppg over the last 2.5 years is .81. Erat was older but it's not like Forsberg is a spring chicken anymore. Vrana would presumably not be the only asset going Nashville's way (McMichael would likely be a key figure in the discussions). I agree there's no harm in Washington making a trade like that, but no one should expecting Forsberg to go gangbusters with the Caps. He's a good first line winger on a team with a lot of good first line wingers. I sure as hell wouldn't trade Kuznetsov for him, even with a couple mill of cap space coming back.
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Mar 8, 2021 19:56
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DJExile posted:Yeah there might be fans disappointed that Seattle doesn't get the rocket start right out of the gate the way Vegas did but that's gonna be about it. Counterpoint, Gerard Gallant was fired a year and a half after taking a first year expansion team to the Stanley Cup final, with the team 24-19-6.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Counterpoint, Gerard Gallant was fired a year and a half after taking a first year expansion team to the Stanley Cup final, with the team 24-19-6. Has that ever been explained beyond the front office being disappointed with underperformance? because that firing still seemed so loving bizarre
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Mar 8, 2021 20:09
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Vegas got so goddamned lucky snagging Marchessault and Karlsson bursting out like he did. Not to mention getting Shea Theodore for not picking Josh Manson, man what a steal. Tuch and Haula packaged from Minnesota so they wouldn't take ??? Nate Schmidt while he was still pissing radioactive I really can't wait to see how seattle shakes out
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ThinkTank posted:I love how those polls of fans suggesting the team trade their promising but unspectacular young player for an established superstar are always 50/50. The best possible outcome for Nick Suzuki and Alex Romanov is they turn into a 1B centre and a middle of the road #2. In what universe is that too much to pay for Jack Eichel a boneafide franchise centre other than it's kinda fun to watch a prospect develop in real time? Umm, actually, Suzuki's already a 1B.  But yeah, the best possible argument I could see is the need for having cheap players under control because the team already has like 20 million tied up to two awful contracts, but if you can get Eichel, you take him and you figure out the details later.
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Mar 8, 2021 20:14
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MAF was a drat good grab for them too, especially considering they agreed they owed the Penguins a favor for taking him off their hands (which JR cashed in to dump Ryan Reaves)
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Vegas got so goddamned lucky snagging Marchessault and Karlsson bursting out like he did. Not to mention getting Shea Theodore for not picking Josh Manson, man what a steal. Marchessault and Reilly Smith because Florida had no idea what they were doing. I think Fleury being good was probably the single most important thing for that group, Seattle’s gonna be hard pressed to find a proper starter and without one...
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Tuch and Haula packaged from Minnesota so they wouldn't take ??? So they wouldn’t take any of the D core. Only this time I have a bad feeling that Dumba or Brodin will end up in Seattle. Either one would be a good addition. Vegas also pulled a coup with MAF playing off his head again after the move. Bit more of a goalie shortage this year, but that’s because everyone is trying to carry two solid goalies. Either way I’m looking forward to going to NHL games again without a bunch of traveling.
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eXXon posted:Huh? Vrana's not even 2 years younger than Forsberg, and Forsberg was traded in the midst of a pretty good draft+1 year for a 31-year-old Erat. Forsberg's also having yet another great season so I don't see why Nashville would trade him other than his propensity to missing 15-20 games per season. He's only got one more year on his contract and the team seems due for a rebuild so trading him isn't the worst idea. I can see why Caps fans are thinking about it to sort of redeem or purge the stink of that trade, but I think trading Vrana or Kuzy is just doubling down on the stupid. You'd be selling low on Kuzy who has looked pretty crappy. And Vrana still has plenty of upside if they would just deploy him differently. Dude has 8 goals playing 15 minutes a night almost entirely 5v5.
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Dear Sabres. Please fire Kreuger. Please hire Boudreau, Gallant, Julien, or someone of that caliber. I'm even tempted to suggest Babcock at this point.
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https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1369015063995154432 https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1369016252275056652 Kilza fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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Kilza posted:https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1369015063995154432
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These changes would just be moving forward, correct? So if, in a hypothetical situation, a team had won the lottery in the past two years, they’d still be eligible to win it in this next draft?
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Am yes what a surprise they changed the lottery rules again just as the Canucks were about to be in a position to benefit.
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I'm not sure the NHL even knows the purpose of having the draft decided by lottery. Was Edmonton sweeping it a travesty? Yes. Was NYR making the postseason and picking 1OA a joke? Absolutely. But the point of having a lottery is that it's fair because anything can happen. If you say "lottery, but not this because it would be bad" then just go all the way and throw out the lotto balls. Limiting it to 10 spots doesn't stop tanking. It means a team in 19th or 20th is more incentivized to tank. Practically, it also means a team can be penalized for winning the lottery -- drafting high in bad draft years and then being locked out of good draft years, or having their draft picks become "poisoned" and preventing them from making trades. Anyway, just implement the Gold Plan you absolute cowards. fisting by many fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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OldSenileGuy posted:These changes would just be moving forward, correct? Correct. https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1369026000575733765
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fisting by many posted:Anyway, just implement the Gold Plan you absolute cowards. The gold plan just encourages teams that are bad early on to give up even sooner. Honestly, last place gets first overall works well in the NFL which is a much better managed league. Outside of Lemieux and McDavid has tanking actually been that much of a problem? And if so, why not just lottery the first overall pick between the bottom three or something? The current system is so bad and no longer has any connection to the idea that the worst teams should get the best young players to aid with their improvement.
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or, since the NHL wants to control the results of random chance, just do like the AFL where you draft based on seeding but the league can give you pity picks if you suck too much. (Haha don't do this there would be riots)
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Just give all non-playoff teams equal odds and lotto the whole 15 picks
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fisting by many posted:or, since the NHL wants to control the results of random chance, just do like the AFL where you draft based on seeding but the league can give you pity picks if you suck too much. If we're bringing AFL rules into the mix let's implement the father-son rule complete with its insanely complicated value bidding system for maximum chaos.
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If the point of the lottery is to improve lovely teams, then gating teams from repeatedly picking first overall seems silly.
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It would actually be pretty awesome if the draft were scrapped and instead each team gets a max amount of money they're allowed to spend on amateur players that year, with the worst team getting to spend the most and decrementing a tiny bit downward until the Cup winner gets the least. Let 'em spend it however they choose, let the prospects sign with whoever they want.
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Ginette Reno posted:If the point of the lottery is to improve lovely teams, then gating teams from repeatedly picking first overall seems silly. Well regularly sending top talent to Edmonton where they do jack poo poo for the rest of their lives is silly too. So how about a system where every time a team drafts first the GM has to retire.
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The draft won't be fixed until the league retroactively rescinds Edmonton's 2015 1st overall pick and re-allocates Connor McDavid to my team.
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e: wait I'm a year off gently caress
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Ginette Reno posted:If the point of the lottery is to improve lovely teams, then gating teams from repeatedly picking first overall seems silly. The best part is this is all the NHL's own doing. If they'd just given the first overall pick to the last place team the Oilers would've only had Hall and RNH. It was the NHL's flailing attempts to fix their own imagined problem that started handing the Oilers all the extra picks. If they'd done nothing Columbus would have Yakupov, Florida would have Mackinnon, Buffalo would have Ekblad and McDavid, Arizona would have Eichel, the Leafs would still have Matthews.
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ThinkTank posted:The best part is this is all the NHL's own doing. If they'd just given the first overall pick to the last place team the Oilers would've only had Hall and RNH. It was the NHL's flailing attempts to fix their own imagined problem that started handing the Oilers all the extra picks. That and the fact they apparently are too incompetent to figure out how to rig the lottery, something David Stern and the NBA sorted out 40 years ago, yeah.
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