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How do you feel about Archnemesis mods on rares?
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search engine
Jun 16, 2020


And you people said the chaos recipe was pointless. You absolute fools.

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Krolm
Nov 10, 2004

friendly and non-threatening



Bleak Gremlin
There's so many builds where rolling the right colours on an astral would cost lots of chaos/some exalts in chromes. 6W is ridiculous and should probably not be basically free. Not that it wasn't nice

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
Has GGG mentioned any changes to the White Socket Harvest recipe or the Beastcraft splitting recipe? Because those are the main reasons 6W items are so cheap this league.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender
Or multiboxing beast farming.

search engine
Jun 16, 2020

Krolm posted:

There's so many builds where rolling the right colours on an astral would cost lots of chaos/some exalts in chromes. 6W is ridiculous and should probably not be basically free. Not that it wasn't nice

In the absence of the beast split production line, harvest still makes it pretty easy to tune sockets. Not whites necessarily, but just off colors. If both of those are gone, the most economical route for 5 off is to roll 3 correct off colors and then hit a t3 voricii bench. 6 off is a bit harder, ideally you roll 4 off before the bench so it does cost a bit but it's not too bad. But yeah both of those require the patience/effort to chase your own crafts rather than just buying a fully formed one from the discount pile.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
I just want like, the bottom two white so I can swap my aoe/single target gems if that build has them.

wodin
Jul 12, 2001

What do you do with a drunken Viking?

euphronius posted:

5000 chaos in ssf league ?

5432 + 1 chaos shard in 10 days, so figure 18hrs or so to get your character to the point where you can get Diplomatic Escort, and then you go live in Valdo's. Each Harbinger pack is ~1.5c probably once you get the Laden Platinums online (I assume there won't be time/resources to roll Auspicious), plus rituals offer 2c for 2-3k shards fairly often. Karv was already planning on playing ED/C so he has one of the best builds for Harbingers locked and loaded. Combine that with the AHK thing that automatically updates your loot filter for chaos recipe and I'd guess one of the particularly hardcore folks will have it done by day 5?

Leatherhead
Jul 3, 2006

For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still

Well, my 36 challenges ended up being everything but EGG, 1200 witnesses, 12 Atlas points, and HARVEST, because in two months I never once saw the Heart of the Grove.

Huge learning season for me, including my first Shaper, Sirus A8, simulacrum, 5-slot atlas, delve boss and probably some others I'm forgetting. Thanks to everyone here and in 5555 for the help.

I think next season I'm gonna go Ranger, since I've never played one at all. What are people's favorites, if basically every build is still new to me?

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Chainsawdomy posted:

Well, my 36 challenges ended up being everything but EGG, 1200 witnesses, 12 Atlas points, and HARVEST, because in two months I never once saw the Heart of the Grove.

Huge learning season for me, including my first Shaper, Sirus A8, simulacrum, 5-slot atlas, delve boss and probably some others I'm forgetting. Thanks to everyone here and in 5555 for the help.

I think next season I'm gonna go Ranger, since I've never played one at all. What are people's favorites, if basically every build is still new to me?

Toxic Rain Pathfinder was good to me. Easy league start too.

Traitorous Leopard
Jul 20, 2009

Arrhythmia posted:

Toxic Rain Pathfinder was good to me. Easy league start too.

Yea barring patch note revelations, I’m league starting TR PF in 3.14. TR got a sweet new mtx in the Warlord box too so even better

search engine
Jun 16, 2020

Toxic rain is a build I've never really tried. It looks like a solid all-round map/boss fighting skill at a glance. Is it pretty reasonable to expect maximum pod overlap at the high end with a bunch of aoe and duration mods looped in? I'm allergic to pathfinder flask management so I'm looking at something like this as a model.

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

Tenzarin posted:

Or multiboxing beast farming.

who does this tho, geez

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

boo_radley posted:

who does this tho, geez

Have you met PoE fans

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011
I'm going to be running the cold/phys/lightning/chaos ritual encounters V tomorrow around 12pm EST. If you're interested be on 5555 around then.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

How do you control which ones you do? I've been stuck with every shrine completed except for volatile forever.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

How do you control which ones you do? I've been stuck with every shrine completed except for volatile forever.

You're thinking of the wrong challenge. I'm running the "kill 4 certain bosses in a ritual encounter"

yegods
Apr 6, 2007

Cerebus can destroy ANYTHING. Cerebus is the POPE.
Well I guess I'm finally done with this league. I've tried four builds, all pretty fun and good: Bladefall Bladeblast, Divine Ire, Penance Brand, and Self Curse Occultist. I had a lot of fun after I acquired my first Headhunter. Then I made the mistake of trying the insanity of the fractured delirious maps, and my life was ruined. I tried with Divine Ire, and that was no go completely. Then switched to Penance Brand which was advertised as being able to handle them... wow no. Finally out of desperation, I switched to Self Curse Temporal Brand Occultist, spent around 100Ex for all the gear -- I was pretty pissed that the one example i found turned out to be incredibly expensive, and even though the guy talked as if it were not so expensive. Oh, just get this such and such unique helmet, and it absolutely must have this enchant... Looking at 80-90 ex there buddy.

I slowly worked up through juiced 20% delirious, 40%, 60%, and then took the dive, and fractured my map... the mods were not too bad. I jumped in, and Kosis slammed to the ground in one hit immediately. I tried a few times half-heartedly to run around him, but could never get any stacks going, so just died and died. It was sad.

I'll probably log on a couple times, and try to get away some stuff -- though I don't have much left.

Darn! I just know this was my one big chance to play in the big leagues with those astonishing fractured maps.

Sad story ends. See you guys next league :)

I really did intend to get the 36 challenge too, but those look so terrible, and I feel so bad about the build, that I don't have the heart. And I didn't want that hideout anyways :S

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
Akane BL miner can do 100% delirious maps. The clear is not especially great but the survivability is there. Only 1 death to Kosis when he was a sliver away from death himself but only because I ran out of flask charges. Half flask charges gained was one of the map mods and I ran out of trash to kill.

tehllama
Apr 30, 2009

Hook, swing.

Suspicious posted:

Akane BL miner can do 100% delirious maps. The clear is not especially great but the survivability is there. Only 1 death to Kosis when he was a sliver away from death himself but only because I ran out of flask charges. Half flask charges gained was one of the map mods and I ran out of trash to kill.

Yes it definitely can but you need to be pretty close to her final season build to do it...which is probably >100 ex.

yegods
Apr 6, 2007

Cerebus can destroy ANYTHING. Cerebus is the POPE.
Well I'm certainly not going to try another build, but just for grins, I did try another go at the Canyon fractured map I have. I still died five times, and on the last time I survived to complete the map. I've completed one of these maps twice, and mostly completed once, and failed utterly three times. In none of those ever did an exalt or an exalt-like item drop. If I took every scarab from the maps, along with the other various currency drops, it probably still wouldn't pay for the map. Maybe I'm just unlucky, or maybe 5 maps isn't enough to gauge, but that's really a waste of currency from my lame experience.

It was still fun to try, and oh does it feel good when you're zooming around the whole map, size of the screen and exploding everything including Kosis.

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007



big fan of the new Empyrian Meme Museum video, can you believe this mfer got so rich he discovered a whole new bestiary boss????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdqBnZPzx2s

it functions as a yellow beast but it shows up as unique for some reason

yegods
Apr 6, 2007

Cerebus can destroy ANYTHING. Cerebus is the POPE.
I slept on it, and came up with a NEW PLAN:

I'm going to stick with the league, and try and improve the build as much as possible with my remaining funds, but I will not run the maps again until I hit standard. Then I will practice it, so that if I ever get another opportunity, I can do these frickin maps with my eyes closed.

I'll need more exalts than i have to get a couple upgrades, so if any of you are quitting or have the extra that you can donate, give me a holler online (LaughterRitualDire). I need 10 to 15 to have a chance of getting the helmet upgrade I want. I've seen it go from anywhere between 25 and 90 exalts.

Another a related note... I seem to recall there is a way to add lab enchants to equipment. I realize there are a lot of helm enchants, but would it be at all feasible to buy a bunch of those, try to get the enchant on the helm with that? Also, if it only works on non-unique, I can chance a Raven helm into the Gull I believe.

I am reinvigorated.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Aye Doc posted:

big fan of the new Empyrian Meme Museum video, can you believe this mfer got so rich he discovered a whole new bestiary boss????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdqBnZPzx2s

it functions as a yellow beast but it shows up as unique for some reason

I've started following empy the past week or two and his videos are great

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

yegods posted:

Another a related note... I seem to recall there is a way to add lab enchants to equipment. I realize there are a lot of helm enchants, but would it be at all feasible to buy a bunch of those, try to get the enchant on the helm with that? Also, if it only works on non-unique, I can chance a Raven helm into the Gull I believe.

I am reinvigorated.

You're probably thinking of an Enchanted Fossil. So non-Unique.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
Never Try and Enchant Your Own Helmet.

cyrn
Sep 11, 2001

The Man is a harsh mistress.

search engine posted:

Toxic rain is a build I've never really tried. It looks like a solid all-round map/boss fighting skill at a glance. Is it pretty reasonable to expect maximum pod overlap at the high end with a bunch of aoe and duration mods looped in? I'm allergic to pathfinder flask management so I'm looking at something like this as a model.
Max overlap is completely unrealistic. 5 is easy, 6 if you try for it. You need 5 AoE radius per overlap and AoE radius scales with the square root of total 'increased AoE.' so each additional overlap is much, much harder to get. I would much rather get 5 overlaps with Carcass Jack and Chaos Damage large clusters and have flexibility in gearing than go for Bow Damage with Broadside and increased AoE on several gear slots trying to hit one more overlap.

I started this league SSF Toxic Rain with the new Deadeye before changing to Pathfinder to learn boss fights. Trickster, Deadeye, and Pathfinder all seem reasonable choices for the skill. Raider seems like it would be rough with no damage in the ascendancy, I would probably start TR Deadeye and then respec to an elemental damage skill once I could get the gear if I wanted to play Raider. I think I would rather play the meme-ish occultist TR+Profane Bloom build than Raider.

Probably my favorite part of Toxic Rain is that because the damage is coming from the ground degen effect, you do not care about any of the most annoying game mechanics. Reflect, proximity shields, allies cannot die, etc. I Alch-Vaal every Atoll and don't even bother looking at the mods unless Sirus invades.

+ Carcass Jack and Quill Rain are very available and highly effective items that will carry you to red maps. It's not quite as good as something super-meta like blade blast or a melee slam build but still very smooth.
+ Crafting a solid bow is really easy even in SSF (deterministic normal exalt slam you can close your eyes and be 100% sure of what you're hitting).
+ Huge amount of socket flexibility
+/- You can frontload a ton of damage on most bosses by stacking your ground effects during RP, but mobile bosses like Sirus can move out of your damage.
- Good Chaos dot nodes are limited so there is a wall early in red maps where you need to pick up one or two of: cluster jewels/thread of hope/hunter influenced items/bow upgrade to keep going.
- Like all dot-builds, until you get enough damage things do not die before they can cast/hit you.
+Remi's Toxic Rain Pathfinder guide on PoE forums is quite good.
+Mostly unaffected by harvest nerfs (+2 amulet will be the the big one).
+Really viable for SSF or low-trading playstyles (you don't needs Sirus items before you can kill Sirus, for example).

It's not a very good explode-chest build, but eventually you have enough projectiles/attack speed/damage you just attack periodically to trigger mirage archer and run through the map and everything you see dies. Gloom shrines make cool pops but they don't actually improve my clear by much.


Deadeye's new Mirage Archer thing is pretty cool but hard to quantify. You always have tailwind and get extra projectiles for free so it's amazing clear without much gear, and having 3 mirage archers dropped in the middle of rituals worked really well this league.
Pathfinder makes you flasks, but you have essentially permanent fortify+ailment immunity and it scales very well because there are so many little flask-related bonuses than add up.
Trickster gets free stun immunity + very good damage scaling in ascendancy, but you don't have the respec flexibility the Rangers have (you can swap to builds like ed/contagion, poison bv, poison bladefall/bladeblast though).

cyrn fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 13, 2021

Leatherhead
Jul 3, 2006

For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still

Remi's guide posted:

> Flask reliant
As a pathfinder, you have to rely on your flasks to survive and have offense, so you need to piano flask all the time to maintain your dps and defenses, overflasking might actually kill you so you'd also have to be careful on that.

I haven't even made the character yet, but I already know I'm going to do this. I always end up mashing my flasks hard when I'm panicking.

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?

cyrn posted:


+Mostly unaffected by harvest nerfs (+2 amulet will be the the big one).



https://youtu.be/HHih_F2_Sk0 - go to 1:49 and it shows how to guarantee a +2 chaos ammy even after the changes. It'll be a little pricier because of the metacrafts but it's still completely doable.

cyrn
Sep 11, 2001

The Man is a harsh mistress.

Masonity posted:

https://youtu.be/HHih_F2_Sk0 - go to 1:49 and it shows how to guarantee a +2 chaos ammy even after the changes. It'll be a little pricier because of the metacrafts but it's still completely doable.

Oh, that's very clever, basically it's a targeted exalt with some limitations. (Hopefully valdo's exalt bank stays open next league.)


Chainsawdomy posted:

I haven't even made the character yet, but I already know I'm going to do this. I always end up mashing my flasks hard when I'm panicking.

I have 4 flasks on asdf so I can hit them all with one hand motion instead of a bunch of finger motions then panic life flask on space. I've seen a few people on poe.ninja who are stacking a bunch of flask duration and increased charges gained, I suspect they may be able to get to 100% uptime via passive regen and run a macro for perma-flask (I can't think of another reason for investing so much in those stats).

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

yegods posted:

Well I guess I'm finally done with this league. I've tried four builds, all pretty fun and good: Bladefall Bladeblast, Divine Ire, Penance Brand, and Self Curse Occultist. I had a lot of fun after I acquired my first Headhunter. Then I made the mistake of trying the insanity of the fractured delirious maps, and my life was ruined. I tried with Divine Ire, and that was no go completely. Then switched to Penance Brand which was advertised as being able to handle them... wow no. Finally out of desperation, I switched to Self Curse Temporal Brand Occultist, spent around 100Ex for all the gear -- I was pretty pissed that the one example i found turned out to be incredibly expensive, and even though the guy talked as if it were not so expensive. Oh, just get this such and such unique helmet, and it absolutely must have this enchant... Looking at 80-90 ex there buddy.

I slowly worked up through juiced 20% delirious, 40%, 60%, and then took the dive, and fractured my map... the mods were not too bad. I jumped in, and Kosis slammed to the ground in one hit immediately. I tried a few times half-heartedly to run around him, but could never get any stacks going, so just died and died. It was sad.

I'll probably log on a couple times, and try to get away some stuff -- though I don't have much left.

Darn! I just know this was my one big chance to play in the big leagues with those astonishing fractured maps.

Sad story ends. See you guys next league :)

I really did intend to get the 36 challenge too, but those look so terrible, and I feel so bad about the build, that I don't have the heart. And I didn't want that hideout anyways :S

link this penance brand build you're referring to

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
This was a fun crafting project I wanted to do for a while



Too bad about the tier 3 ES/life roll but I'm not gonna gently caress with it more just to eek out a potential 10 extra life. Pretty cheap too! Well, aside the Maven's Orb.

I'll miss harvest.

Jinnigan
Feb 12, 2007

We shall pay him a visit. There will be a picnic. Tea shall be served.

Zenithe posted:

Never Try and Enchant Your Own Helmet.

don't know what you're talking about, i hit scourge arrow +1 pods on my 2nd uber lab run

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


I ran 4 labs fishing for a good blizzard helm enchant before I remembered Enchanted Fossils exist

search engine
Jun 16, 2020

cyrn posted:

Max overlap is completely unrealistic. 5 is easy, 6 if you try for it. You need 5 AoE radius per overlap and AoE radius scales with the square root of total 'increased AoE.' so each additional overlap is much, much harder to get. I would much rather get 5 overlaps with Carcass Jack and Chaos Damage large clusters and have flexibility in gearing than go for Bow Damage with Broadside and increased AoE on several gear slots trying to hit one more overlap.

I started this league SSF Toxic Rain with the new Deadeye before changing to Pathfinder to learn boss fights. Trickster, Deadeye, and Pathfinder all seem reasonable choices for the skill. Raider seems like it would be rough with no damage in the ascendancy, I would probably start TR Deadeye and then respec to an elemental damage skill once I could get the gear if I wanted to play Raider. I think I would rather play the meme-ish occultist TR+Profane Bloom build than Raider.

Probably my favorite part of Toxic Rain is that because the damage is coming from the ground degen effect, you do not care about any of the most annoying game mechanics. Reflect, proximity shields, allies cannot die, etc. I Alch-Vaal every Atoll and don't even bother looking at the mods unless Sirus invades.

+ Carcass Jack and Quill Rain are very available and highly effective items that will carry you to red maps. It's not quite as good as something super-meta like blade blast or a melee slam build but still very smooth.
+ Crafting a solid bow is really easy even in SSF (deterministic normal exalt slam you can close your eyes and be 100% sure of what you're hitting).
+ Huge amount of socket flexibility
+/- You can frontload a ton of damage on most bosses by stacking your ground effects during RP, but mobile bosses like Sirus can move out of your damage.
- Good Chaos dot nodes are limited so there is a wall early in red maps where you need to pick up one or two of: cluster jewels/thread of hope/hunter influenced items/bow upgrade to keep going.
- Like all dot-builds, until you get enough damage things do not die before they can cast/hit you.
+Remi's Toxic Rain Pathfinder guide on PoE forums is quite good.
+Mostly unaffected by harvest nerfs (+2 amulet will be the the big one).
+Really viable for SSF or low-trading playstyles (you don't needs Sirus items before you can kill Sirus, for example).

It's not a very good explode-chest build, but eventually you have enough projectiles/attack speed/damage you just attack periodically to trigger mirage archer and run through the map and everything you see dies. Gloom shrines make cool pops but they don't actually improve my clear by much.


Deadeye's new Mirage Archer thing is pretty cool but hard to quantify. You always have tailwind and get extra projectiles for free so it's amazing clear without much gear, and having 3 mirage archers dropped in the middle of rituals worked really well this league.
Pathfinder makes you flasks, but you have essentially permanent fortify+ailment immunity and it scales very well because there are so many little flask-related bonuses than add up.
Trickster gets free stun immunity + very good damage scaling in ascendancy, but you don't have the respec flexibility the Rangers have (you can swap to builds like ed/contagion, poison bv, poison bladefall/bladeblast though).

Thanks for the rundown, that's a lot of good info to think about. The raider version of the build caught my eye because I'd be playing this in hc and the always-on defensive/mobility kit looks very appealing vs pathfinder since I tend to screw up flask juggling in tight situations. It looks like the damage pattern is kinda similar to vortex. More convenient to reapply thanks to the range, but not instant max dps. I'm accustomed to going heavy on defense and then fighting uphill for dps, so the high end being 3-4m dot dps is way more than enough by my standards.

bij
Feb 24, 2007

I like playing Arc Elementalist because it reminds me of Diablo 2 chain lightning. I'm roughly built to be Enki's MoM setup with Archmage but I want to play with shock so I'll probably grab Shaper of Storms in Uber. So far I have a five-linked Inpulsa for old school explodey action but is there any other silly stuff I can do with shock? Maybe something with Herald of Thunder?

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?

von Braun posted:

just a normal person who plays some poe on the harvest changes




search engine posted:

Sorry kids, they nerfed daddy's favorite kind of wizard down at the content mines so we won't be having Christmas this year.



He's now claiming it's all fake and a smear campaign against him that GGG has fallen for.


Seems Daddy threatened his boss down the content mines, and is now suspended for a year! Definitely no Christmas.

Edit: or would it be threatened the content mines owners so is banned from the content mines? Either way, it's beautiful!

dyzzy
Dec 22, 2009

argh
He also streamed himself logged into a sockpuppet reddit account

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/m3p5uy/how_not_to_make_a_criticism_video_about_a/gqrfu2m/

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


there are lots of reddit detectives analyzing the line spacing and whatnot

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
I'm looking for Poet's Pens builds on poe.ninja and they're like 70% Blade Blast and 30% Volatile Dead. All else being equal is Blade Blast just way more damage right now? I can't figure out how I'm supposed to translate PoB figures into real-world Blade Blast DPS.

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von Braun
Oct 30, 2009


Broder Daniel Forever


Lmao, he's been suspended before for RMTing. cool guy!

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