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thrawn527 posted:I really couldn't get into Speed Racer at all, could even get what they were going for. But then I read that if you watched the show, it's absolutely perfect, which I never did. So that's probably what's missing for me. In that case, I'm glad it exists, for fans of the show, and I'll just be fine not watching it again. Watch it as a sports movie and it owns. The gut punch of the final meeting with Royalton is really well executed, and the finale is some of the most incredible animation of the decade. It’s a shame it was only ever made for 2K.
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FilthyImp posted:It also had great composition and direction though. It wasn't just Spy Kids Yeah, context of what's being photographed matters for me as well. Like, yes, a lurid palette can look great for something very specific as Speed Racer, but the context itself isn't something I'm particularly interested in. I can still acknowledge that having such insanely bright/saturated colors works for the movie, but it's just not what appeals to my personal taste. Still can't believe RR directed Spy Kids, lmao.
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teagone posted:Still can't believe RR directed Spy Kids, lmao. His entire filmography is very, very strange. I mean, the dude made El Mariachi and Desperado and Sin City, yet also did Spy Kids and The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl. It's as wild as the Mad Max movies coming from the same guy who did Babe: Pig in the City and Happy Feet.
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Timby posted:His entire filmography is very, very strange. I mean, the dude made El Mariachi and Desperado and Sin City, yet also did Spy Kids and The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl. The only bad thing about Spy Kids 1 is that it made me realize that Desperado is also pretty much a movie for kids and that's really not that bad at all.
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I really like Desperado, but it's greatly helped by the fact that it starred literally the two hottest people on the planet at the time.
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LesterGroans posted:I really like Desperado, but it's greatly helped by the fact that it starred literally the two hottest people on the planet at the time. Lmao, yes. Banderas, jfc, he's like so smooth but also gruff and Hayek is just like...drat  The film has so much style. Also Tarantino's joke scene still loving slays me.
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LesterGroans posted:I really like Desperado, but it's greatly helped by the fact that it starred literally the two hottest people on the planet at the time. I haven't seen Desperado in quite some time, probably at least ten years, but I seem to recall it being just a slicker, higher-budgeted remake of El Mariachi ... but doing a perfectly fine and competent job at that. I really, really do not care for Once Upon a Time in Mexico, though. That one just did absolutely nothing for me in any way.
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Necrothatcher posted:those sons of bitch terrorists want to create a world WITHOUT borders Glad i'm not the only one who was trying to figure out why this was a bad thing.
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I said come in! posted:Glad i'm not the only one who was trying to figure out why this was a bad thing. Hey the show at least acknowledges that people are generally on board with the idea. My worry is that they're going to have a lot of well meaning people 'tricked' into supporting a maniacally evil movement. Just like the drat socialists!
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teagone posted:Lmao, yes. Banderas, jfc, he's like so smooth but also gruff and Hayek is just like...drat And how can you not love the opening to that film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h2wyp0M6fM
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FilthyImp posted:It also had great composition and direction though. It wasn't just Spy Kids Please don't slander the first 2 spy kids movies
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I Before E posted:Please don't slander the first 2 spy kids movies Lame-rear end CGI and Backstret Boy Mechsuits 
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3D had good moments,that were mostly divorced from the aesthetic and effects that we saw on-screen. Stallone seemed to be having a blast and then Elijah Wood showing up as a big deal and then getting killed barely 30 seconds later was great
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FilthyImp posted:I'm talking about Spy Kids 3D. Didn't Robert Rodriguez do much of the Spy Kids 3D / CGI work on computers in his basement?
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Anyone who dares defend the Whedon Cut of justice League can go sit and spin  *gently caress OFF*
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Burkion posted:Anyone who dares defend the Whedon Cut of justice League can go sit and spin
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Timby posted:Didn't Robert Rodriguez do much of the Spy Kids 3D / CGI work on computers in his basement? The entire series is just him wanting to let his kids be movie stars, and from what I remember was basically entirely self-funded off of the profits of his much more successful movies it's also the source of the rawest line in cinematic history
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Mr. Apollo posted:Is then when Victor is remembering how he was created? I vaguely recall something about that about how it was totally different then what we saw in BvS. It's just about 40 minutes in, right before Cyborg contacts Diana. That is flat out an unfinished effect
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Burkion posted:It's just about 40 minutes in, right before Cyborg contacts Diana. No, I think that's the bit Ray Fisher was complaining about in the Whedon cut, because Geoff Johns thought it was very important for the black community to know that Cyborg has genitals. No, I'm not kidding. https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1364643265421664263?s=20
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Thanks to Justice League, I finally decided to watch Aquaman, and... I actually kind of liked it. It didn't fully work for me as a goofy movie but there was enough of a mix of good visuals, a few truly creepy bits (like when they're attacked by the Lovecraftian monsters and have to surround themselves with the flare), and genuinely nutty things (Julie Andrews playing Cthulhu who lives in the Hollow Earth, the octopus playing the drums) that it really carried it for me. Plus Momoa is a very charming actor even when he's burdened with some clunker lines, and I really enjoyed his chemistry with Temuera Morrison. If back in 2013 someone told me my favorite scene of a Man of Steel follow-up would be Khal Drogo and Jango Fett drinking at a bar I wouldn't believe it, but here we are. That being said, even in their brief appearances, the difference between Amber Heard and Willem Defoe in ZSJL and Aquaman are night and day. Heard especially, but Defoe having his hair down makes so much of a difference. I also saw the first episode of Momoa's show See and that is also ridiculous, but in a way that I still might watch the rest of. There's just enough interesting worldbuilding there to keep me interested in at least a second episode.
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Timby posted:Didn't Robert Rodriguez do much of the Spy Kids 3D / CGI work on computers in his basement?
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Burkion posted:Anyone who dares defend the Whedon Cut of justice League can go sit and spin They're both crap, man.
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Whedon literally removed almost all characters of color except Cyborg and his dad, so nah
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Judakel posted:They're both crap, man. No, the Snyder Cut's really good actually. Definitely treats Cyborg a lot better.
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Judakel posted:They're both crap, man. No. None of this poo poo. No gimmick posting, no 'but both sides' horse poo poo, no flaccid prolapsed defense of what is one of the worst things to happen to comic book movies in recent history. This is something that transcends its own thread, this transcends the dome, this belongs here and I am going to loving lay out why. I'm going to lay out exactly why this sentiment is the most brain dead, ill thought out loving nothing statement and you should think twice before engaging with it. You can take it or leave it, I can't make you understand, but I can articulate myself and why I feel the way I do and I loving will. The Whedon cut keeps the very, VERY rough plot of the movie. It is the story of Batman gathering a League of Justice to combat an evil space man named Steppenwolf who is collecting three boxes to take over the world, and they try to revive Superman. What it does not capture, what it in fact goes out of its way to remove and belittle, is the very heart and soul of the STORY. A story is more than a plot. The plot ultimately is just a skeleton on which the story builds itself. The organs are the characters, the music, the writing, the connective tissue of tone and intent. You can remove the plot from a movie and still have a good story. It may be flawed, but it can still thrive. The true version of Justice League does far more than thrive. Divorce Snyder from this, kill the author dead. Take the story for what it is, and you have a beautiful, flawed, and awe inspiring story of Heroes and Villains. This movie understands super heroes better than drat near anything you care to bring to the table. They are achingly human, yet so far beyond that. Modern day mythology, the inheritors of the Gods of old. They are impossible things, beings of great power and violence, yet equal kindness and compassion. They suffer and bleed but still strive to do the best they can for everyone, regardless what it takes from them to do it. Aquaman is a living God, heir apparent to the greatest kingdom to ever exist on the planet, and he spends his days saving villages from starvation and anyone he can from their own hubris. Despite his great grief over his own heritage, his lingering resentment with his mother, he is still a fundamentally good man. Of course the people of the villages he single handedly feeds and safeguards sing for him- He is their living savior, and they can offer nothing but their love and affection in return. Wonder Woman is an icon of violence and anger, striking down those who dare stand against her. She takes the lives of mortals without a second thought, because if they are her enemy then their lives truly have no worth. Yet, she is also compassion personified. She checks with those she saved and tries to emphasize with them and make sure they're okay. When they ask her childish questions, she genuinely believes that they can ascend and be great heroes. She wasn't so different from them when she was young, after all. She is the last of the Old Gods, the first of the New. Victor is a man reborn as something more- and something less. He has the power to end the world as we know it with but a thought, and also to focus on a single individual and uplift them through the cruelty of life. He holds within him the power of creation itself and must learn to accept what he has become- that he is not a mistake, but a product of love. That one would love him so much to stave off death and instead return him to our world greater than any man could be. His story is one of pride and self respect, and the power of forgiveness and understanding. He is the beloved son. The Flash is awkward, silly, ridiculous. He's nervous and not the most confident. He is also absolutely sure of what he wants in this world and will stop at nothing to have it. Nothing, not even the laws of reality itself, will stop him. It is so easy to write him off as the comic relief, the jokester, but he's not just that. He is brave, willing to do anything, everything. Even in the darkest of moments he will never give up, and instead he runs. He runs even in the face of the impossible. Not to flee, but the opposite. To fight the tides of darkness, he will run to face them. No one can do what he can, and he is one of the greatest of the greats. Batman is a man spiritually transformed. A man who died as a child, reborn in adulthood through the decency of another. He has realized that men are still good and internalized it. The cynicism, the fever and rage of his immature delusion have broken. He now has an ironclad faith in human nature, in the greatness that people can do. His power is believing in others, in being their pillar and supporting them however he can. They can do more than he can, so he must do all he can for them. Superman is the greatest of them. Superman is the one who has the farthest to fall. Superman is the man who died to save his world, the child of four parents and two planets, and the one whose belief was rewarded by those he would lay his life down for. Superman lives in us all and can never die so long as we hold faith. And he lives. Look, up in the sky. It's Superman. This is who these characters are. This is what they should be. They are more than this, but this is what they are. And they ARE this in the true version of the movie. Do you dislike how silly a village singing for their savior is? That's your problem. That's not a problem with the story. That is sincere and honest- it is a reverence that these characters deserve and ANY self respecting fan of them should honor. Even if you don't like it, you should have the loving decency to acknowledge that it is right. This movie sees the final glory of the Old Gods, it captures the unity of heroes, the perils of combatting death itself and the very end of the world. There is heart ache, pain, joy and love. This is what superhero movies deserve to be. This is what THESE super heroes deserve to be. The Whedon cut has none of this. It possesses none of the heart, the soul nor wit of the true version of the movie. It is a mean spirited, twisted thing. It cares more about being ugly and spiteful than having anything of quality or substance. Aquaman is an angry jerk, Wonder Woman is a belittling, disillusioned mother hen, Batman is an untrusting, insulting rear end in a top hat, the Flash is an incompetent coward who needs to have his hand held to do anything, Superman is a smug fuckwad who seems to hold everyone and everything in contempt and Victor gets to say booyah. You want to talk about the problems the movie has? Let's. I'd love to. loving let's go. Do not dare compare these two. One tries and largely succeeds at capturing what is great about super heroes in a way few have dared to dream in cinema. The other is a poo poo Joss Whedon hackjob that adds nothing and takes away everything. There is nothing good it adds. Nothing new. The soundtrack is so bland and lifeless that, despite having some of the classic themes of cinematic superheroes, nothing stands out. It all blends together and is the same mushy grey mess that the rest of the film devolves into. And then you get to goddamn mother-loving Steppenwolf. What a travesty of a thing Whedon did. Heroes are only as good as their villains. Its why the MCU suffers so much in my eyes. Steppenwolf is a villain who stands the gently caress out. He doesn't do much, but he is empathetic, understandable, even sympathetic despite his actions and goals. He simply wants to be loved again. He is a dog who wants his master to stop being angry at him for making GBS threads on the carpet. He seeks redemption just the same as the heroes. He seeks acceptance. But because of who he loves, because of who he is trying to return to, he must be a monster and wage a war he cares nothing about. The League don't care, nor should they. He is horrific, with the consequences of his actions being more dire than they even realize. But WE do. We see his pleading eyes. We hear the snide dismissal of those he seeks the approval of. We follow his journey for redemption, just the same as any of the heroes. And in the true version of the story, it is a journey. He arrives in combat with the Amazons and quests to find the remaining boxes so that he may claim the ultimate prize- the love and approval of his family. When he is told that these people have families, he acknowledges what is true about him, himself. That means they have weakness. His armor is reflective of his mood, shifting and changing to match him. Smoothing when he's calm, flaring up when he's angry or scared- vanishing when he's submissive. It's extremely good, characterful stuff. You want to talk about what's good and bad, let's have a loving discussion. But you try to compare these two in any way that isn't 'this was a travesty done to the history of cinema' and that's not a discussion. That's you showing your loving rear end. Whatever its flaws, Zack Snyder's Justice League loves superheroes and it wants you to know that. It wants you to feel that. The Whedon cut just wants to be lovely for two hours and then give up.
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Burkion posted:No. gently caress yeah more posts like this pls - if there's any justice in the world the Snyder cut not only existing but being fuckin' amazing would kill off lovely ironic humour transplanted from embarrassing youtube critics
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Necrothatcher posted:gently caress yeah And which we can probably trace back to Joss Whedon in the first place.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And which we can probably trace back to Joss Whedon in the first place. I posted this a while ago in one of the threads, when someone said that Whedon "wasn't the devil" - poisoning the world's culture for over a decade is an very evil thing to do. Like, were Christian Bad Guy Satan to be real, having a position like Joss Whedon's would be a pretty good start.
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Judakel posted:They're both crap, man. shazam.jpg >it doesn't exist >it's not finished >it's never coming out >it'll be exactly the same >it cost $70 million dollars >it's not his original vision >they're both crap you are here >bad aspect ratio >no one watched it >no one likes it
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Horizon Burning posted:shazam.jpg > The fascist director Snyder is rightly hated by all. > The accursed director will never work again. > The futile ravings of a madman are on Vero > The rear end in a top hat objectivist claims to have an assembly cut > The monster is directing his steps towards HBO Max > HBO Max have thrown $70 million down the toilet > The Snyder cut is real, but it will be a mess. > The Snyder cut is coming in March 2021 but will be as bad as the theatrical cut > Zack Snyder, have we misjudged him? > ARTISTIC GENIUS AND DIRECTORIAL MAJESTY ZACK SNYDER released his JUSTICE LEAGUE yesterday evening on HBO Max, amid the joyful acclamation of his devoted and faithful subjects
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Judakel posted:They're both crap, man. Read the fuckin' room.
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lol. No-one's obligated to like a movie just because you feel strongly about it. For the record, I found ZSJL impressive as hell — it's a fascinating production, the making and remaking of it. I think anyone can concede that it's an interesting piece of cinema history, and a redemption/vengeance saga for a lot of people involved, while still feeling that it's not their cup of tea. I vastly preferred it over Whedon's version, especially for Cyborg's expanded role. But to me it was still a mess. lovely script, effects all over the place, poor acting and chemistry. I'm glad I watched it, because if nothing else the surrounding circumstances make it fascinating.
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anatomi posted:lol. No-one's obligated to like a movie just because you feel strongly about it. I think what people react strongly to here is other people's inability to do exactly that, and the reaction is compounded by the half-decade those other people have heaped shitposts upon shitposts on this topic. So I don't see how posts like Judakel's should get the benefit of the doubt. If they think it's ok to make that kind of post, they should be called out as a lazy dumbass.
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Grendels Dad posted:I think what people react strongly to here is other people's inability to do exactly that, and the reaction is compounded by the half-decade those other people have heaped shitposts upon shitposts on this topic. So I don't see how posts like Judakel's should get the benefit of the doubt. If they think it's ok to make that kind of post, they should be called out as a lazy dumbass.
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Burkion posted:No. This is what they call a mic drop moment
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Nah, the second you call something a mic drop it loses any possibility of being one. It's like giving yourself a nickname, you instantly stop being cool the second you try and point that poo poo out. Movie is alright, needed a stronger editing pass. Much better than the original release, and the entirety of WB's executive staff is clearly loving incompetent if they thought taking that pile of footage and hacking it to 2:40 was a worse option than handing it off to Whedon.
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Mulva posted:Nah, the second you call something a mic drop it loses any possibility of being one. It's like giving yourself a nickname, you instantly stop being cool the second you try and point that poo poo out. People got mad enough about 4:3, I couldn't imagine how controversial 2:40 would be
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Cutting the existing 4 hours down wasn't an option, WB wanted a different movie entirely and they saw the death of Zack Snyder's daughter as a perfect opportunity to get it
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Snydercut is definitely a better movie than Whedon but it's like a 7/10 Try defending the lamentations, I loving dare you
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