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FreudianSlippers posted:The character creation tools are wonderfully flexible for making stretched out abominations of flesh Correct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs0zhMCul5Q
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Is the only way to avoid being stomped by England/Scottland/Byz is to ally them or is it wait a super long time until the internal pressure collapses them? I was doing ok as some southern italian minor and the Byz said gently caress you and stomped me to death.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:17
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Mooseontheloose posted:Is the only way to avoid being stomped by England/Scottland/Byz is to ally them or is it wait a super long time until the internal pressure collapses them? I was doing ok as some southern italian minor and the Byz said gently caress you and stomped me to death. You can always swear vassalage to them and take them down from the inside. That or  from the outside.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:30
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Or take the Vikings on Tour down to Byzantium nice and early and Varagian invade Constantinople. I then nibbled away at them every time they were over stretched in other wars until they basically exploded. 300 years later there's still a state around called the Byzantian Empire, but they aren't very big or scary or even really occupying any of their de jure lands.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:41
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Interesting fact: if you found the Jomsvikings, it creates a castle for them, since you're tribal and, to my knowledge normally can't found holy orders because they don't have a castle or city to lease them (unless you capture one, I suppose). You can then kick them out of the castle and found a different holy order. This is nice if you're playing as Norse but want to change to a different, local faith, since you get your own Holy Order as a tribal nation.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:45
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I have founded holy orders twice now, and the decission to "borrow money from holy order" appears... but I have never been able to use it, because they just never have any money. Doesn't matter they are always contracted and expanding, or that they have a holding for themselves, they will be dry on money. I think I am being conned by my own holy soldiers.
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Was having so much fun in my Slavic Russia run, was p much the biggest guy around and steam rolling everyone with my newly formed empire. I think reforming the slav faith and going feudal all on the same dude and then promptly dying 10 years later has hosed everything up. My empire has turned to poo poo, I went from a strong 9 holding to 2 because of the law changes, my economy is basically dog poo poo because of the man at arms change and the loss of the aforementioned holdings, most of my realm is still adhering to the old faith and my army is a shadow of its former self. Everyone is taking tons rebelling and those loving rear end in a top hat north men keep attacking me with those low quality 9k stacks for the same landlocked area in the middle of my empire. I think getting too big for my boots has probably set back my save for a good while. Kinda glad I'm not as invincible as I thought, though.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Is the only way to avoid being stomped by England/Scottland/Byz is to ally them or is it wait a super long time until the internal pressure collapses them? I was doing ok as some southern italian minor and the Byz said gently caress you and stomped me to death. I was playing as Austria and allied with the Hungarians and Bohemians to take chunks out of the Byzantines until they fell apart internally.
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Started as Armenian Principalities in 867 and I ended up getting most of the Caucasus region, forming Hayastan (Armenia), getting my daughters married to the Byzantine and Lothringian emperors and most of that within the first ruler's lifetime  I mean, I cheated a little bit but that was mostly "I'm impatient" rather than "it's not possible to do otherwise". Having a blast with CK3 so far.
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Mar 30, 2021 17:06
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Newbie game experience time: I was on my fourth ruler after starting as the Petty King of Munster. I had inherited the high kingdom of Ireland but only the duchy of Meath for my personal domain. My vassal in Connacht tried to have my wife killed, so I felt this was a good reason to seize his title. Apparently my entire kingdom did not like this, including my cousin who held both Ulster and Munster, and they crushed my armies and forced me to abdicate. This left the kingdom (and player identity) in the hands of my son, who was a young adult and had reasonably good stats. A bit earlier of a succession than planned but not terrible, right? Former High King Dad was in my court in Dublin, had a good opinion of me, and served me as my marshal. Well, a year after the succession the duke of Ulster - who, remember, had helped force High King Dad off his throne - started a rebellion to re-institute Dad as king. Dad was serving as marshal of the armies fighting against his re-institution, which might be why I lost that rebellion as well. So I wound up as Duke of Meath, controlling only the lands of Athlone, under my previous player character Newly Reinstalled High King Dad. Who still loved me and was my best friend! Which is why it was really weird that he stripped me of all my titles and gave me a game over. In my current game I'm doing the Jimena unification of Spain. My current player owns the crowns of Leon (also including Castile and Galicia) and Aragon. I created the Kingdom of Aragon in order to offer vassalization to the dukes of Barcelona who seem happy with the current arrangement. However, my player has three young sons. As I understand it, if I have two (or more) titles of the same level, then my sons will split my kingdom, but if I have only one kingdom then my primary heir inherits the head title while the younger boys get duchies or whatnot. Should I be destroying the Aragon title to keep everything unified, or let son #2 inherit and then kill him before he can have heirs, or be pushing for primogeniture (though the latter seems like it would take a lot more prestige to accomplish than anything else)?
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Mar 30, 2021 17:45
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Albino Squirrel posted:Should I be destroying the Aragon title to keep everything unified, or let son #2 inherit and then kill him before he can have heirs, or be pushing for primogeniture (though the latter seems like it would take a lot more prestige to accomplish than anything else)? If you are still under Confederate Partition, destroying the title will do nothing as it will be recreated upon succession anyway. If you are under Partition or High Partition, have at it. e: It should also be noted that if you destroy the title, you will get the 'not rightful liege' penalty with vassals that are de jure under the Kingdom of Aragon. Traxis fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2021 18:04
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Well, failson #1 got the 'Naive Appeaser' trait, and has generally poor stats. I hope him and his Prowess of 6 enjoy the front lines of the crusades!
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Mar 30, 2021 18:40
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Albino Squirrel posted:So I wound up as Duke of Meath, controlling only the lands of Athlone, under my previous player character Newly Reinstalled High King Dad. Who still loved me and was my best friend! Which is why it was really weird that he stripped me of all my titles and gave me a game over. I really wish the game didn't do this. Letting you jump to your brother or something seems like such a simple thing. Albino Squirrel posted:In my current game I'm doing the Jimena unification of Spain. My current player owns the crowns of Leon (also including Castile and Galicia) and Aragon. I created the Kingdom of Aragon in order to offer vassalization to the dukes of Barcelona who seem happy with the current arrangement. However, my player has three young sons. As I understand it, if I have two (or more) titles of the same level, then my sons will split my kingdom, but if I have only one kingdom then my primary heir inherits the head title while the younger boys get duchies or whatnot. Should I be destroying the Aragon title to keep everything unified, or let son #2 inherit and then kill him before he can have heirs, or be pushing for primogeniture (though the latter seems like it would take a lot more prestige to accomplish than anything else)? As stated, if you're under Confederate Partition it doesn't matter anyway, the game will recreate it when your character dies before doing the distribution (and if you check the Succession tab on your realm page it will tell you this; it is very easy to miss and rather important to know about). If you have non-confed Partition then destroying it will keep everything together under the remaining kingdom title. If you have Primogeniture then your primary heir will inherit everything, but that's tech gated into the middle game. That is what will happen. What you should do is a different question. I am a strong proponent of letting those secondary kingdoms get taken over by your siblings; you generate way more Renown that way (your whole dynasty gets points per landed ruler, but only if they aren't vassals of co-dynasts. Also never use disinherit, it's a self-own) and that alone is worth it. You'll get pressed claims on any top level titles that get split off at succession, so if you get mad at your brother a decade down the road you can just go take that kingdom back easy-peasy. Endless fights with your siblings because they won't do what you want is the central feature of this game. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2021 19:03
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:34
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PittTheElder posted:I really wish the game didn't do this. Letting you jump to your brother or something seems like such a simple thing. I know I can switch after the fact, but I wish deaths gave me the option to play as a different dynasty member, not just the primary heir. Game overs should as well.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:47
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Yup. Very high on my list of say, purely game mechanical (as opposed to historical accuracy stuff) wants from this game is the ability to separate who is my player heir vs who receives my primary title. Especially for Elective titles, I would love to for example, pass the Kingdom title to the oldest son, but play as a younger son with a backwater duchy somewhere.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:12
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 How come my daughter didn't get her education trait? I had her on steward focus and tutored her for her whole life.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:26
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Might be fun to do a challenge game where you're required to do that; on death you must switch to whichever member of your dynasty is weakest (while still being landed). Gives you a nice incentive to take care of your family.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:27
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BillBear posted:
Education traits are based on a lot of factors, and I don't think you can 100% guarantee that the child gets the one you're aiming for. e: Oh wait, she didn't get any trait. No idea then. Orcs and Ostriches fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2021 20:50
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Education traits are based on a lot of factors, and I don't think you can 100% guarantee that the child gets the one you're aiming for. Yeah, but to get none at all? Even a crappy one is better than nothing.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:51
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BillBear posted:Yeah, but to get none at all? Even a crappy one is better than nothing. I almost have to think this has to be a bug/mod problem (if you're using any), because I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen. Though I don't know what happens to children who are imprisoned and how that goes.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:57
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BillBear posted:
I may be wrong but, isn't that flowery icon a "child" trait? That should have evolved into something else at 16? I think the game got confused and didn't properly assign her a mature personality. She's a genius womanchild. Edit: she's also bethroted to someone who definitely ain't a child, but I think I see the prompt to marry up there so... no idea Shellception fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2021 20:58
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Shellception posted:I may be wrong but, isn't that flowery icon a "child" trait? That should have evolved into something else at 16? I think the game got confused and didn't properly assign her a mature personality. She's a genius womanchild. Yup, she has the childhood trait and she is now 22. So far, no kids either. Kinda worrying since I kinda disinherited all my other kids on grounds of being poo poo and not wanting everything to split up when I die.
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Mar 30, 2021 21:06
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Seems buggy. Maybe send in a report.
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Mar 30, 2021 21:10
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Yeah that looks like a bug and a half. Do you have any mods?BillBear posted:Yup, she has the childhood trait and she is now 22. So far, no kids either. Kinda worrying since I kinda disinherited all my other kids on grounds of being poo poo and not wanting everything to split up when I die. Seriously though don't do this. It's a waste of renown, and it's real easy to get your titles back post-succession.
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Mar 30, 2021 21:17
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PittTheElder posted:Seriously though don't do this. It's a waste of renown, and it's real easy to get your titles back post-succession. …also, doesn't just about everyone have some kind of elective law option that they can slap onto critical titles to ensure they go to the right person(s) while also being adaptive enough to allow for change should something go wrong?
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Mar 30, 2021 21:41
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Disinheriting is actually really useful in some circumstances though? It's not something you want to be doing every generation but it's absolutely a good tool to keep in your back pocket to get out of a bad heir or an inconveniently timed domain split.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I know I can switch after the fact, but I wish deaths gave me the option to play as a different dynasty member, not just the primary heir. Game overs should as well. Similarly, I got switched over to my female heir in southern italy, previous king swore fealty to byz but hated my daughter apparently to imprisoner and kill her. PDX games do have a problem with RNG just randomly saying game over via no fault of the player. It should of just defaulted to heir or head of house.
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Tippis posted:…also, doesn't just about everyone have some kind of elective law option that they can slap onto critical titles to ensure they go to the right person(s) while also being adaptive enough to allow for change should something go wrong? They do yeah. You need a bunch of prestige do it, but that is usually something you have in spades anyway. Various Meat Products posted:Disinheriting is actually really useful in some circumstances though? It's not something you want to be doing every generation but it's absolutely a good tool to keep in your back pocket to get out of a bad heir or an inconveniently timed domain split. It has it's uses, but I find it's a "once or twice per campaign" kind of action, if you really, really need to avoid playing as a particular character; a daughter you accidentally married off patrilineally would be the one great reason I can think of. Even the realm split thing seems fishy to me; I can't think of a reason off the top of my head where you wouldn't just re-unite the titles via conquest, then do whatever you were going to do; I guess if you were going to lose multiple top-level titles to the same heir and you didn't want to wait out the truces?
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I went on a disinherit rampage because as the Tsar of Russia, when I died all my core and rich lands in the Novgorod area were handed out to my various siblings while I was left with a piece of poo poo land in the deep south of my empire. As the siblings were my vassals, I couldn't directly war them for the lands and I didn't have the plot power to murder them. I wanted to prevent it from happening again, I probably shouldn't have done it but drat that was annoying.
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Hello thread! Disinherit has it's merits in that it's an instant action that incurs no tyranny. Also, partition sometimes does odd black magic stuff so I wouldn't blame anyone doing an Ironman run for not risking handing out all their titles to only see things get fudged up. 150 a head isn't all that expensive if you only have to do it twice and your next dynasty upgrade costs 2.5k. It's not as if anyone wants to marry those fundie kids anyways!
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You won't get claims on lower level titles if your domain splits and your siblings become vassals. I could spend years scheming and murdering my way into rebuilding my domain or just spend a few of my funbux to prevent the headache. Honestly disinheriting should have more drawbacks.
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If they have lower level titles just revoke them back and eat the tyranny. Civil wars are extremely easy to win and gives you all the excuses you need to separate the demenses of your more successful vassals E: VVV exactly. Wouldn't even be so bad if they'd just consolidate a little PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 00:36
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PittTheElder posted:If they have lower level titles just revoke them back and eat the tyranny. Civil wars are extremely easy to win and gives you all the excuses you need to separate the demenses of your more successful vassals Also a good chance to do some reorganizing if your vassals have done some crazy county-level bordergore across their duchies, if that's the sort of thing that bothers you (as it does me)
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BillBear posted:Yup, she has the childhood trait and she is now 22. So far, no kids either. Kinda worrying since I kinda disinherited all my other kids on grounds of being poo poo and not wanting everything to split up when I die. If you're playing in Europe it's super easy to pick up seniority or one of the electives; there isn't much point sticking around in partition unless you're a vassal that signed that right away.
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Am I right in understanding that if I want elective that allows people outside the current rulers immediate family I need to drop Norse culture?
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Hell yeah, the mod I've been looking for ever since release is finally here -- gently caress leading from the back like some kinda milk drinker, it's so much more satisfying to personally carve dudes up when you're leading an army. Battlefield Duels Combined with Sword Training you can crank out some Dynasty Warriors-esque superhumans. Gaze upon this absolute chad and his pile of skulls 
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The "Secure the High Kingdom of the North Sea" decision requires you hold the 3 Kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and England for 30 years each. It also requires you to hold the entirety of the Region of North Sea Heartlands. Does anybody know if you have to hold, and keep, all of the North Sea Heartlands concurrently with the Kingdom titles in order to achieve the pre-recs? I finally got a young ruler who controls all 3 Kingdoms and I'm 12 years (I think) in to the 30 but Vassal intermarriage fuckery gave Sweden a chunk of those North Sea Heartlands for a few years and I am going to be pretty grumpy if it fucks me from being able to get the cheevo in another 20 years...
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How are u posted:The "Secure the High Kingdom of the North Sea" decision requires you hold the 3 Kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and England for 30 years each. It also requires you to hold the entirety of the Region of North Sea Heartlands. You need the North Sea Heartlands by the time you take the decision. Don't need to hold it for that long
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scaterry posted:You need the North Sea Heartlands by the time you take the decision. Don't need to hold it for that long Oh my goodness that is great to hear. Tonight, then, I become the High King!
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