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suck my woke dick posted:I suspect it's 500 for the kind of lidar you put on a fancy Arduino project, 5k for the kind that's semi reliable getting rained on and rattled around as an automotive part? The $500 figure comes from a company advertising a new, cheaper LIDAR system for cars. No clue how many of those units you'd need and whether it is already available as a commercial product. With a 120° FoV, that would be ~$1500 for full coverage, if that is even necessary.
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Kaal posted:Yeah even after Google spent quite a bit of time trying to drive down costs and get a scale economy going, the sensors cost at least $7,500 per car. Tesla's perspective is basically that lidar technology just isn't affordable for consumer goods, and it presents its own problems that will require cameras in any case (lidar can't read signs or distinguish objects, for example), so it's much better to rely on a technology that is nearly as accurate and actually could be produced. so, cutting corners to get the thing out the door because corporate profit is more important than public safety gee i can see why everyone calls this visionary
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:so, cutting corners to get the thing out the door because corporate profit is more important than public safety That's a pretty incurious take.
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turns out tesla tells the california DMV the safer words the buying public doesn't get to hearquote:As you know, Autopilot is an optional suite of driver-assistance featuresthat arerepresentative of SAE Level 2 automation(SAE L2). Features that comprise Autopilot are Traffic-Aware Cruise Controland Autosteer. Full Self-Driving (FSD) Capabilityis an additionaloptional suite of features that builds fromAutopilot and isalso representative of SAE L2. Features that comprise FSD Capability are Navigate on Autopilot, Auto Lane Change, Autopark, Summon, Smart Summon, Traffic and Stop Sign Control, and, upcoming, Autosteer on City Streets(City Streets). While we designed these features to become more capable over time through over-the-airsoftware updates, currently neither Autopilot nor FSD Capability is an autonomous system, and currently no comprising feature, whether singularly or collectively, is autonomous or makes our vehicles autonomous.This includes the limited pilot release of City Streets. on dec 28 https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-tesla-robotaxi--fsd-emails/ turns out when you don't have a PR or marketing department to counteract the twitter promises of nerd trump, people don't have an accurate picture of what the system can do it's certainly not shady at all that tesla charges thousands of dollars for this suite of autonomous driving features which are not in any way autonomous, per tesla's legal team
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Kaal posted:Yeah even after Google spent quite a bit of time trying to drive down costs and get a scale economy going, the sensors cost at least $7,500 per car. Tesla's perspective is basically that lidar technology just isn't affordable for consumer goods, and it presents its own problems that will require cameras in any case (lidar can't read signs or distinguish objects, for example), so it's much better to rely on a technology that is nearly as accurate and actually could be produced. "Nearly as accurate" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfmAG4dk-rU&t=10s
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suck my woke dick posted:I suspect it's 500 for the kind of lidar you put on a fancy Arduino project, 5k for the kind that's semi reliable getting rained on and rattled around as an automotive part? I mean....$500 robot vacuums have lidar at this point. I'm sure this is more a conversation about lidar with sufficient accuracy/speed/durability. Edit: And yeah....."nearly as acurate" but you didn't even need lidar to prevent that. I believe the emergency braking systems in Volvos (and I think Toyota does it now too) are radar based. You know, the same front facing radar you need for adaptive cruise control anyway. It should have been trivial to detect a massive unmoving object directly in front of the car long enough ahead of time to STOP. Certainly in enough time to change lanes. Motronic fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Motronic posted:I mean....$500 robot vacuums have lidar at this point. I'm sure this is more a conversation about lidar with sufficient accuracy/speed/durability. There's a new generation of solid-state AESA lidar systems that have been touted by manufacturers Luminar and Velodyne as being the $500-$1000 lidar we've all been waiting for. But while they've signed a variety of deals with car manufacturers wanting improved assisted driving and autonomous vehicle startups that want to go all the way, it all remains in prototyping. Luminar sold 100 lidar units in 2020 and Velodyne's stock has cratered in recent months. Hopefully they'll be able to work things out, because currently operational units like those rotating cones used by Waymo cost $7,500 and have very limited range. They wouldn't have prevented any highway crashes, for example, because they don't work at over 40 kph. Those crashes are tricky problems in any case, and lidar-based vehicles have plenty of issues with them too. Detection isn't the issue, it's confirmation that it isn't just an overhead sign, a plastic bag, or a slow-moving truck. The real value for lidar isn't so much that it could replace cameras and radar, but rather that adding a third sensor system would mean there would always be a second way of confirming a confusing reading. I'd assume the op knows that and is just poo poo posting Tesla. Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Don't the newest iPhones have Lidar? Glue a few of those to your car and problem solved.
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Silly Burrito posted:Don't the newest iPhones have Lidar? Glue a few of those to your car and problem solved. A Tesla with a fifteen foot viewing range might not have the reaction time necessary to avoid obstacles...
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Silly Burrito posted:Don't the newest iPhones have Lidar? Glue a few of those to your car and problem solved. Considering how expensive Iphones are, probably would end up more expensive.
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Baronash posted:"Nearly as accurate" The roof of the truck was painted black so the AI couldn't see it
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Jose Valasquez posted:The roof of the truck was painted black so the AI couldn't see it My theory: the Tesla doesn't use HDR processing, so the white roof of the truck matched the blinding white of the horizon because they were overwhelmed with light.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 17:47 |
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If you are experiencing issues with your Tesla FSD, please try updating your drivers.
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eXXon posted:If you are experiencing issues with your Tesla FSD, please try updating your drivers. It's all PEBWAC errors.
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Silly Burrito posted:Don't the newest iPhones have Lidar? Glue a few of those to your car and problem solved.
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The next iPhone will be driveable.
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Speaking of electric vehicles, Biden is doing a virtual tour of the Proterra electric vehicle battery manufacturing facility right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob3jh3EOOhw
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Fame Douglas posted:Considering how expensive Iphones are, probably would end up more expensive. what if we used gameboy cameras instead?
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PhazonLink posted:what if we used gameboy cameras instead? what if we used $0.01 photoresistors instead
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What if we used pigeons pecking at images.
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Mister Facetious posted:My theory: the Tesla doesn't use HDR processing, so the white roof of the truck matched the blinding white of the horizon because they were overwhelmed with light. Isn't that what the NTSB said in the harry potter crash?
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suck my woke dick posted:fusion Fusion power totally works. We’ve got a fusion power source operating at a safe distance and have a proven way of harnessing the photons emitted to create clean power.
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Silly Burrito posted:Don't the newest iPhones have Lidar? Glue a few of those to your car and problem solved. This is pretty much comma.ai, only it seems to combine the "just use a phone" idea with Elon's "cameras only" for the something even worse, which is maybe why they keep running afoul of the DMV, who are imposing strong penalties for... "This said, Comma.ai problematically hasn’t committed to regularly publishing any sort of statistics beyond miles driven, like disengagements or accidents. California’s Department of Motor Vehicles mandates that all companies testing autonomous cars report disengagements, but because Comma.ai doesn’t have a permit to test cars, it’s exempt from this requirement." https://venturebeat.com/2020/01/07/comma-ai-launches-comma-two-a-999-kit-that-imbues-cars-with-assisted-driving-features/ oh. BeeSeeBee fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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duz posted:Isn't that what the NTSB said in the harry potter crash? Not familiar with that one offhand, my knowledge of Tesla crashes is limited to this thread posting tweets and news articles.
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https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/20/tesla-crash-victims/quote:Witnesses told the police that the accident happened shortly after the victims left a house, saying they would test automated driving capability. So I guess they just......put a brick on the accelerator and let er rip? Or is this the "4 seconds before the crash the car exited autopilot and notified the driver to resume control of the vehicle" kind of "not operating on autopilot"?
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Motronic posted:https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/20/tesla-crash-victims/ CYA in the most cynical way possible.
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Mister Facetious posted:Not familiar with that one offhand, my knowledge of Tesla crashes is limited to this thread posting tweets and news articles. It was one of the first autopilot deaths. The car drove the guy under a tractor trailer, ripping the roof clean off, decapitating him (I think?), and then continuing to drive for a bit. He was watching Harry Potter on a DVD player at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#:~:text=The%20first%20U.S.%20Autopilot%20fatality,18%2Dwheel%20tractor%2Dtrailer. The car saw this, and treated the side of the trailer as the sky, so the yellow path was followed as though there was no obstacle in the way. And seeing as that was in 2016, and the image above is from 2019, it wasn't so much fixed. Also it's killed again. https://electrek.co/2019/03/01/tesla-driver-crash-truck-trailer-autopilot/ duz posted:Isn't that what the NTSB said in the harry potter crash? Tesla even said as much but made sure to blame the driver all the same. https://www.tesla.com/blog/tragic-loss "Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied. The high ride height of the trailer combined with its positioning across the road and the extremely rare circumstances of the impact caused the Model S to pass under the trailer, with the bottom of the trailer impacting the windshield of the Model S." BeeSeeBee fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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Motronic posted:https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/20/tesla-crash-victims/ Gonna guess the Autopilot disengage lines up with the tire-smoking panic brake. E: gently caress I thought I was responding to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3hrKnv0dPQ goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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goatsestretchgoals posted:E: gently caress I thought I was responding to Of course you thought you were. Because it's all the same poo poo over and over that's not getting fixed. So it's entirely understandable.
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 04:09 |
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I assume the "Harry Potter crash" referred to a situation where the car was driving itself and then flew into a tree. That's probably also happened, in a sense.
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Motronic posted:https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/20/tesla-crash-victims/ Either way, the owner clearly thought the car could drive itself since he was talking about showing off autopilot and wasn't in the driver's seat when the crash happened. Whether it was actually in autopilot or not Tesla's false advertising is the root cause.
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 04:34 |
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i like how you can see the back of the truck and the bars they have to prevent a car crash having a 100% kill rate. lol Musk and his muskrats are going to get crash bars added to the sides of trucks and make the action movie "drive under the truck" stunts impossible. future movie nerds : wellactuallly this movie in universe is set before Musk or in an alt. universe where Musk wasn't born.
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PT6A posted:I assume the "Harry Potter crash" referred to a situation where the car was driving itself and then flew into a tree. Indeed, that's the one that just happened in Houston the past week. No one in the driver's seat, drove into a tree and exploded.
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https://twitter.com/intidc/status/1384438899443908610
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To be fair, it probably is safe these days to assume that everything you have ever typed into a website has been leaked at some point.
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withak posted:To be fair, it probably is safe these days to assume that everything you have ever typed into a website has been leaked at some point. Lowtax is collating all of our shitposts to leak to someone
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Lowtax is collating all of our shitposts to leak to someone If anyone outside of SA ever finds out how mad I've gotten about video games, my non-existent political career is donezo.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Lowtax is collating all of our shitposts to leak to someone Why leak them when you can just pay ten bucks for archives
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Lowtax is collating all of our shitposts to leak to someone Worse than that: They're already public!
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Remember when the Danganronpa thread was put behind the paywall and the internet lost its poo poo.
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