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AreWeDrunkYet posted:As far as is being reported today, a Syrian SAM fired at an Israeli plane, missed, and it landed near an Israeli nuclear site. that sounds less than good
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They may also be running low on oxygen depending on how many crew members survived the impact, severity of damage control operations, what means of secondary oxygen production they have, etc etc. That's assuming they survived whatever casualty caused them to go deep and not blow to begin with.
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Apr 22, 2021 18:43
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/business/biden-taxes.amp.html Surprising nobody health csre expansion was left out of stuff we can tax the rich to pay for
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Apr 22, 2021 18:44
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RFC2324 posted:that sounds less than good These situations are impossible to figure out because everyone in the region is oscillating between WE OWNED THEM and THEY OWNED US and THEY OWNED US BUT WE OWNED THEM HARDER and nobody tells the truth about any of them. Yesterday an Israeli military spokesman did the "we owned them, their missile wasn't even close" door #3 kind of press release.
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Apr 22, 2021 19:26
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Thats why I was asking if there was better info, theres other sources about that specific sub that claim only 250m but also had it changed pretty greatly after a recent refit. I don't know much about subs but is it possible that the base hull is significantly stronger than say all the sensors and everything it was outfitted with? ie, the German shipyard had this great sub down to 500m but Indonesia didn't need that so there was a cost down option for a bunch of stuff yet the main pressure hull is still the 500m one? idk, just seems like theres an outside chance the math lines up for them.
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Apr 22, 2021 19:51
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Yeah, unfortunately the big Achilles heels is, ironically, because this isn't a nuclear sub, it cannot continuously generate more electricity to make more oxygen, so yeah assuming they are still running on batteries and their endurance on battery is maybe a day or two at best....that's gonna be the killer.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:05
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Grip it and rip it posted:They may also be running low on oxygen depending on how many crew members survived the impact, severity of damage control operations, what means of secondary oxygen production they have, etc etc. That's assuming they survived whatever casualty caused them to go deep and not blow to begin with. o2 is very easy to produce. they should have lots of o2 candles on hand. lack of power however means no way to heat so they will freeze. this is all of course assuming that the people tank is not full of water.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:37
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Have any of these lost sub events ended well?
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Apr 22, 2021 20:38
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hobbesmaster posted:Thats why I was asking if there was better info, theres other sources about that specific sub that claim only 250m but also had it changed pretty greatly after a recent refit. I don't know much about subs but is it possible that the base hull is significantly stronger than say all the sensors and everything it was outfitted with? ie, the German shipyard had this great sub down to 500m but Indonesia didn't need that so there was a cost down option for a bunch of stuff yet the main pressure hull is still the 500m one? If the refit reduced test depth from 500m to 250m it may just be that too much extra weight was added for it to reach the surface with an emergency blow. It may have had no effect at all with the actual crush depth. edit : it was probably a bunch of hull cuts and modifications tho from the refit. if they are alive I hope a rescue is possible. CainFortea posted:Have any of these lost sub events ended well? None that I can remember. ded fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Apr 22, 2021 20:39
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Deep water terrifies me and submarines are like the delivery vessel to my nightmares for these specific reasons. So glad I couldn’t join the navy because (of all things) my driving record. I was going to go nuke.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:42
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CainFortea posted:Have any of these lost sub events ended well? Das Boot did if you turn it off in the last 15 minutes.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:44
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boop the snoot posted:Deep water terrifies me and submarines are like the delivery vessel to my nightmares for these specific reasons. Deep sea gigantism is the stuff of my nightmares. Sharks terrify me as well, what demon spawn is just a tube with a razor sharp tooth lined mouth?! I will stay here on the land or maybe some lakes thank you.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:49
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Reading the casualty response cards for situations like these was always pretty terrifying.ded posted:o2 is very easy to produce. they should have lots of o2 candles on hand. lack of power however means no way to heat so they will freeze. this is all of course assuming that the people tank is not full of water. I don't disagree, but when I read "Indonesian Navy" I don't have any references to draw any conclusions from. I don't think my boat ever did any kind of exercises or anything with Indonesia when I was there. It looks like their Navy made an announcement that the ship would only have sufficient O2 to last until Saturday, and I don't see anything at all about what they would or could be doing to prevent CO2 buildup. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Apr 22, 2021 20:49
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ded posted:None that I can remember. A small Russian research sub sank or got tangled up in underwater netting for several days but was freed and the crew saved a couple years after the Kursk was lost. Apart from that you have to go back to before WW2 to find a peacetime sub loss with a remotely happy ending: the Squalus, where most of the crew survived. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Apr 22, 2021 20:52
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There was the USS Squalus in 1939 that had a successful rescue! https://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20190519/squalus-sinking-tragedy-and-triumph
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Apr 22, 2021 20:54
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In my estimation, the luckiest bunch of bastards on a fouled up submarine ever were Savvy Cooke and the crew of the S-5, who went "To Hell, by compass" and survived. Why this hasn't become a movie I don't know.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:57
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In 2012 and 2016, the SCOTUS set up rules for when someone could be sentenced to life without parole as a juvenile. Today, in a 6-3 decision, that is overturned and we're essentially back to previous regime of states being able to lock up minors until they die without any special findings or restrictions so long as it is not mandatory that they sentence someone in that fashion. https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1385241031038410753/photo/1
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Apr 22, 2021 21:15
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Iain posted:Deep sea gigantism is the stuff of my nightmares. Sharks terrify me as well, what demon spawn is just a tube with a razor sharp tooth lined mouth?! I will stay here on the land or maybe some lakes thank you. I've got some bad news for you.
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Apr 22, 2021 21:16
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Mr. Nice! posted:In 2012 and 2016, the SCOTUS set up rules for when someone could be sentenced to life without parole as a juvenile. Today, in a 6-3 decision, that is overturned and we're essentially back to previous regime of states being able to lock up minors until they die without any special findings or restrictions so long as it is not mandatory that they sentence someone in that fashion. This was basically expected. This is what the GOP wanted was rulings like this.
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Apr 22, 2021 21:22
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Iain posted:...maybe some lakes thank you. Brain-eating amoebas: https://www.insider.com/rise-of-brain-eating-amoeba-naegleria-fowleri-in-us-waters-2020-7
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Apr 22, 2021 22:18
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Iain posted:Deep sea gigantism is the stuff of my nightmares. Sharks terrify me as well, what demon spawn is just a tube with a razor sharp tooth lined mouth?! I will stay here on the land or maybe some lakes thank you. Gators are amphibious, so, uh, go north, young human.
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Apr 22, 2021 22:33
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Tuesday night there was apparently a gigantic explosion in New Hampshire and they just figured out what caused it. 80 pounds of Tannerite used in a gender reveal. https://twitter.com/Schreibernews/status/1385342004666765319 https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/god-awful-blast-that-rocked-nh-towns-was-gender-reveal-explosives/2361205/ CONGRATULATIONS, IT'S A REPUBLICAN
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Apr 22, 2021 22:51
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Why is that poo poo legal again?
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Apr 22, 2021 22:54
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Grip it and rip it posted:Why is that poo poo legal again? Like bump stocks and arm braces, they thread the loophole of Technically Not Illegal.
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Apr 22, 2021 22:55
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How much tannerite can you buy at once? Is there even a limit?
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Apr 22, 2021 22:56
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Grip it and rip it posted:Why is that poo poo legal again? It's not. Setting off 50+lb at a time is considered misuse and can be prosecuted. It's meant to be used like a quarter pound at a time at a distance of hundreds of yards. The explosion in question happened at a ready mix concrete supplier. Not sure what the justification is but I would guess it was an industrial purchase. e: It also probably helps that no one that has failed a paper bag test has hurt anyone with it to date. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Apr 22, 2021 23:00
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Grip it and rip it posted:Why is that poo poo legal again? HEY BOSS YOU EVER READ THE SECOND?! sHaLl NoT mEaNs ShAlL nOt! AreWeDrunkYet posted:e: It also probably helps that no one that has failed a paper bag test has hurt anyone with it to date. This and the fact that no one has gone full McVeigh with it. You used to be able to buy bulk amounts of ammonium nitrate until ol' Timmy went all tugboat at the Murrah building.
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Apr 22, 2021 23:11
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:The explosion in question happened at a ready mix concrete supplier. Not sure what the justification is but I would guess it was an industrial purchase. https://giant.gfycat.com/OrganicSilverEft.mp4
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Apr 22, 2021 23:13
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For the same reason that you can sell grape juice and yeast to minors. Its not legally an explosive until mixed. Tannerite is prilled ammonium nitrate, oxidizer, and aluminum powder which is extremely similar to fertilizer (ANFO) bombs. "Ammonium nitrate is a common commercial fertilizer that can be used to blast potholes. The prilled form (spherical pellets) mixed with No. 2 fuel oil is the most satisfactory type and is classed as a blasting agent (Mathisen et al. 1964)" from ARTIFICIAL. POTHOLES--BLASTING TECHNIQUES US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WILDLIFE RESOURCES MANAGEMENT MANUAL https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a213541.pdf
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Apr 22, 2021 23:27
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Grip it and rip it posted:Why is that poo poo legal again? Binary explosive. It's safer to transport and handle than even fireworks. Being an impact explosive, it's not terribly easy to set off. Knocking it off a post or dropping from relatively decent heights won't set it off, it's very stable. They had to change the formula so it'd work with rimfire ammo, standard tannerite needs something like 5.56 to set off, higher velocity, harder impact. AreWeDrunkYet posted:It's not. Setting off 50+lb at a time is considered misuse and can be prosecuted. It's meant to be used like a quarter pound at a time at a distance of hundreds of yards. There's literally tons of videos of people using 100+ pounds of the poo poo on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edRbcTXAijY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MeBBphPi4
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Apr 22, 2021 23:30
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Also simply possessing ammonium nitrate in Afghanistan is going to send you to forever jail in gitmo even if you don't possess any of the other precursor chemicals. Unlike in the US where we bundle all the precursor chemicals together.
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Apr 22, 2021 23:31
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I didn't realize that tannerite was mostly ammonium nitrate.
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Apr 22, 2021 23:31
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PookBear posted:Tannerite is prilled ammonium nitrate, oxidizer, and aluminum powder which is extremely similar to fertilizer (ANFO) bombs. Holy poo poo, i never realised that Tannerite was ammonium nitrate
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Apr 22, 2021 23:37
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https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1385222123598274564?s=20
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Holy poo poo, i never realised that Tannerite was ammonium nitrate https://patents.google.com/patent/US6848366?oq=inventor+daniel+tanner "said oxidizer composition including ammonium nitrate in an amount between about 50% and 100% by weight, and ammonium perchlorate in an amount between 0% and about 50% by weight; said catalyst composition including aluminum powder and minor amounts of titanium sponge and zirconium hydride;"
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Apr 22, 2021 23:57
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Jesus Christ we're hosed. This is so jacked up. Biden's pick for us attorney in Louisiana was jailing people who could not pay illegally collected debts and was in judged to be violating people's 14th amendment rights.
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Apr 23, 2021 00:03
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Well she's a woman of color so good news lib Twitter will be saying you're a racist sexist for opposing this any minute
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Apr 23, 2021 00:21
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I'm more surprised about the other half being aluminum powder, that's usually a good a way to get a visit from ATF all by itself. I guess they're able to slide because it's in some kind of binder? E: Wasabi the J posted:Jesus Christ we're hosed. This is so jacked up. Jesus Christ what's next is he gonna put the Kids 4 Cash guy on the high court? shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 00:36
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All of these moves make complete sense if you view Biden as a republican from 1994, which he is.
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A Bad Poster posted:All of these moves make complete sense if you view Biden as a republican from 1994, which he is. Wanna feel really depressed? Compare Republicans from 1994 with Republicans from 2021.
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