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Gentle Autist posted:i have two electron apps open at all times, vscode and slack, and they are solid as a rock while outlook, ppt, excel poo poo the bed regularly electron: more stable than office apps. can’t wait to make a login manager, terminal, panel, calculator dependent on it!!!
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Dont Touch ME posted:Glad we have this poo poo and not fast unaligned memory reads what a great architecture, truly the future of computing what led you to believe arm64 can't do fast unaligned memory access (architectures where unaligned is guaranteed to hurt are those which require it to be implemented in an exception handler. the arm v8 spec makes hardware support for unaligned accesses optional, so some chips will have fast unaligned reads and others won't)
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May 2, 2021 07:17
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mawarannahr posted:electron: more stable than office apps. can’t wait to make a login manager, terminal, panel, calculator dependent on it!!! agreed
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May 2, 2021 07:25
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Gentle Autist posted:i’m so mad about this software that works lmfao "works"
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May 2, 2021 07:30
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do electron apps besides custom compiles or cutting edge versions even support wayland, the best software of all time?
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May 2, 2021 07:32
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carry on then posted:Java was right all along java has recommended bundling a jvm with your app for years now you also have the option of using graalvm native image to compile your java to a single self contained executable, which obviously drastically reduces its size. hello world is only about 10mb and can compile in under 5 minutes!
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May 2, 2021 07:37
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is there a Linux I can install off the shelf which won’t have tearing issues?
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May 2, 2021 08:07
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Sapozhnik posted:Musl is fine except for its memory allocator. If you replace the memory allocator with tcmalloc or mimalloc etc then the performance difference versus glibc is erased. DNS handling is also broken
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May 2, 2021 09:12
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the musl devs got so tired of everyone telling them about flagrant bugs that they put up documentation in order to explain, once and for all, why all the other implementations are wrong, actually
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May 2, 2021 09:17
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never thought i would see the day where someone in yospos defended electron
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May 2, 2021 09:31
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what is your preferred app framework precious
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May 2, 2021 09:36
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May 2, 2021 10:28
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qt is good yeah. I do fine with javafx too but I readily admit that uses more disk space than electron. worth it to have non-garbage-tier tooling and ecosystem though
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May 2, 2021 10:58
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please don't flirt in yospos
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May 2, 2021 11:10
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Soricidus posted:qt is good yeah. i did a new project in javafx last year, and honestly i think it is rotting faster than it is improving these days. jira full of ancient bugs (e.g. i had to jump through hoops to not have a simple grid not collapse some columns randomly) and the few new things getting added are glitchy as hell. with the conclusion being that qt is bordering on the only game in town these days. otoh i think the electron situation will improve over time, the layout/rendering is in all ways excellent (as it should be), so just a matter of improving the distribution situation and structuring it a bit for not having to engage too deeply with the trashheap of the javascript ecosystem.
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May 2, 2021 11:15
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Progressive JPEG posted:the musl devs got so tired of everyone telling them about flagrant bugs that they put up documentation in order to explain, once and for all, why all the other implementations are wrong, actually sometimes dlclose can just do nothing, and that's fine
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May 2, 2021 12:11
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Our infosec people had us ban and purge the Zoom desktop app from all the corp machines because the electron version had dozens of unpatched chrome vulnerabilities.
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May 2, 2021 14:40
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Gentle Autist posted:while ranting: outlook for osx is electron
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May 2, 2021 14:41
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I guess what I'm saying is electron is bad not because of my precious ram but because you're bringing along a whole Chrome and node worth of attack surface who's patching strategy is hoping your fart app developer cares enough to actually issue updates in a timely fashion.
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May 2, 2021 14:47
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Gentle Autist posted:while ranting: Sure would be nice if you could save the gigabytes of overhead by making them share a VM, almost like a web browser
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May 2, 2021 15:02
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pretty sure the only reason why apple has a 8 gig mbp in 2021 is because the m1 does 16 gigs max, and the bean counters could not countenance not having tiers of overcharging for ram, so artificial bad tier invented.
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May 2, 2021 15:10
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mrmcd posted:I guess what I'm saying is electron is bad not because of my precious ram but because you're bringing along a whole Chrome and node worth of attack surface who's patching strategy is hoping your fart app developer cares enough to actually issue updates in a timely fashion.
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May 2, 2021 15:20
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I stopped using electron apps because intellij eats up all my RAM on its own and it's way more valuable to me than having a dedicated window for a chat client and Spotify. Firefox tabs with those still eat up RAM but it seems more constrained at least. I do really miss having a compiled music client but Spotify tries hard to keep itself a walled garden and I ain't got time to manage my own music collection anymore.
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May 2, 2021 17:41
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I’m glad musl exists because it means I can compile things that run on Debian 9 and other older platforms without begging an admin
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May 2, 2021 18:02
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Shaggar posted:outlook for osx is electron not at my work
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May 2, 2021 21:13
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you gotta use one of those tab suspender extensions on ff imo. they stop some weird tab you opened 9 days ago from loving up your poo poo with a memory leak
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May 2, 2021 21:15
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lol if you’re not paying money every month for the ultimate electron app, mighty, to stream your tabs from the internet instead of your ram
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May 2, 2021 21:23
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I restart my web browser about once per day and it keeps the memory leaks manageable.
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May 3, 2021 04:34
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Best thing I ever did for my web browser was enable swap-on-zram. It used to be targeted all the time by oom-killer to the point where I couldn't have it open at the same time as an ide or vm. Now that never happens
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May 3, 2021 06:05
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Rufus Ping posted:Best thing I ever did for my web browser was enable swap-on-zram. It used to be targeted all the time by oom-killer to the point where I couldn't have it open at the same time as an ide or vm. Now that never happens whoa if this is stable, it sounds like the best idea ever, almost as good as 2fa ssh
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May 3, 2021 06:20
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mystes posted:Just wait until you hear about this novel app platform called "every interpreted language" which allows arbitrary code execution without any sandboxing at all. Is Electron sandboxed?
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May 3, 2021 11:43
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Dont Touch ME posted:In the future, many of the world's running machines will be physical implementations of the JSVM + ASIC hardware for the DOM. Web development will be bare metal. Your browser will be an OS. Hardware support for Java has been tried a couple of times now, sup Jazelle. Its sucked every time. JS won't be different. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 12:02 on May 3, 2021 |
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May 3, 2021 11:58
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sb hermit posted:I restart my web browser about once per day and it keeps the memory leaks manageable. Not directly related to the convo at hand but does anyone else actually just turn their PC off when they're done for the day? I started doing it for work to force myself to stay more organized.
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May 3, 2021 15:03
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shoeberto posted:Not directly related to the convo at hand but does anyone else actually just turn their PC off when they're done for the day? I started doing it for work to force myself to stay more organized. i do this too you ever see someone with 100 tabs open? those people don't know how to use bookmarks and refuse to learn
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May 3, 2021 15:19
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Share Bear posted:i do this too i have a bunch of tabs open right now, and i use bookmarks too all this ram isn't going to use itself
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May 3, 2021 15:24
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Share Bear posted:i do this too A nontrivial amount of my company's sales, customer service, invoicing, paychecks, and project management rely on my boss's Chrome not crashing under the weight of a billion tabs and extensions (on windows, natch)
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May 3, 2021 15:24
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Broken Machine posted:i have a bunch of tabs open right now, and i use bookmarks too post a screenshot, i wasn't using hyperbole, actual 100+ tabs where the ui point for the tab becomes smaller than the favicon in chrome (firefox and safari have a horizontal scroll when this happens)
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May 3, 2021 15:35
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who needs bookmarks when you can just type like the first two letters of whatever site you're trying to reach and the chome suggests it
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May 3, 2021 16:04
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Share Bear posted:post a screenshot, i wasn't using hyperbole, actual 100+ tabs where the ui point for the tab becomes smaller than the favicon in chrome (firefox and safari have a horizontal scroll when this happens) it's not that bad, i can still make out the names on chrome if you have over 100 on mobile it makes them smileys
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May 3, 2021 16:08
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the firefox bar scrolls, making it the better choice for the tab-count-discerning individual
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