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Chik fil a is insanely popular in the south. Like, double drive through lanes wrapped around the building at lunch every day. Well not Sunday.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:does anyone give a gently caress about chickfila outside weird chuds and boomers? I give a gently caress in the sense that if I want a chicken sandwich, that's my first choice since they're fast and consistently good.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:That's why I said it was "kind of" an example. It isn't perfect but if you look at it from a certain direction it might count. Or it doesn't. The 'certain direction' of being the exact opposite of what was being asked for, I guess. I uhh... do not believe I ever said that guns weren't necessary to drive off the Klan in the Segregated South. That seems like a lot of loving words to shove into my mouth and lie and say that I said them. No I said that in this particular example you gave, guns weren't necessary because the Native Americans outnumbered the KKK immensely and the KKK were unarmed and fled the moment it turned out the Native Americans were armed. This wasn't the case of leftists going in armed against an armed rally. It was leftists going in armed against unarmed idiots, because everyone else knew that the Native Americans would show up and throw them out.
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May 12, 2021 20:05
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Dapper_Swindler posted:does anyone give a gently caress about chickfila outside weird chuds and boomers? At this point, I think Chick-fiil-a has become a cultural allegiance signal. I don't know if people really love the food that much. People know that Chick-fil-a is the conservative-friendly fast food joint.
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moths posted:Here's one but the feds executed him later so it's hardly a win. Oh cool, you're using the example of a left wing protestor ducking into a parking garage, waiting for a couple of patriot prayer members to pass him, and then following/murdering one of them? When the patriot prayer members were not actively attacking anyone (/didn't seem to be attacking anyone up to that point either) and were calmly walking? When they didn't even seem to be aware of Reinoehl? I can't say that it fits the definition of socialsecurity posted:Has there ever been a right wing militia attack on a protest driven off by leftist shooting back? Source: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...m-unsealed.html Kalit fucked around with this message at 20:15 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 20:10
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zoux posted:Chik fil a is insanely popular in the south. Like, double drive through lanes wrapped around the building at lunch every day. Well not Sunday. One of them opened near me in the Bay Area - on the first day the line to get in there was so long it went onto the highway. It still causes regular traffic jams months later, but at least the line is no longer all of the way to the highway.
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No it’s that they’re just super organized and they turn that drive-thru line over quite quick. They’re popular here in Utah and Mormons are weird but they are not chuds. Seriously, it’s a double lane drive-thru that’s lined up out of the parking lot but they somehow seem to get you in and out in 5 minutes.
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Jarmak posted:My history might be a little weak but I don't think I'd count the Bolsheviks as an example of a revolution that overcame "drones, tanks, and helicopters". I'm not saying individual actors are enough to overthrow a government, but the point should be made that nobody seems to have any examples of a disarmed one successfully overthrowing anything, and the unfortunate fact of it being a fundamental requirement while being insufficient in itself requiring assistance of regime enemies both internal and abroad is pretty build explored in long detail in all revolutionary literature. The utility of things like defecting specialists training irregulars to engage in guerilla campaigns like pretty much every revolution both left and right has been built around is pretty much just not there if nobody has any drat guns or equipment in the first place (unless your specialists are CIA but they aren't helping anybody we're talking about lol) To say it's not singularly sufficient isn't the same as saying it's wholly unnecessary, and frankly it's not even something I consider re: firearms ownership and gun control because there's no way grumbling about the political extremes wanting to keep their guns for this or that reason ends up in any actual productive outcomes. Whenever I've run into it it's just been horror at the barbarians on the right and anger that the actual left aren't reliable allies on this issue because they keep demanding unacceptable things like police not being exempt. If that's the sort of gun control people want (and it is the most common put into policy by far) - just making it more expensive and not impeding the state at all - these orgs should be funding non-white ML orgs to arm up and run community support/patrols, not telling SRA members that they are like mental children compared to them
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Kalit posted:Oh cool, you're using the example of a left wing protestor ducking into a parking garage, waiting for a couple of patriot prayer members to pass him, and then following/murdering one of them? When the patriot prayer members were not actively attacking anyone and were calmly walking? When they didn't even seem to be aware of Reinoehl? I can't say that it fits the definition of Oh poo poo, I didn’t know Tucker Carlson was a goon.
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I'm glad we have a Wings Over here, they deliver and their waffle fries are really good.
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Jarmak posted:My history might be a little weak but I don't think I'd count the Bolsheviks as an example of a revolution that overcame "drones, tanks, and helicopters". The US supplied Batista with tanks, planes, napalm, etc to use against the rebels. South Africa supplied the Rhodesian government with tanks and aircraft. South Africa also used tanks and aircraft in Southwest Africa The Soviets supplied the socialist Afghan government and eventually intervened directly. Tanks and napalm were obviously used against the Viet Cong. The US puppet government in Afghanistan is obviously going to collapse after the Taliban finally forces the US to run away in defeat. E: the Kuomintang had tanks and aircraft although they had an unfortunate tendency to get captured by the CCP and used against them VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:25 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 20:18
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/1392486546633285637 You'd have to think if 2022 goes badly enough for them they'll FINALLY cut the cord. You'd have to think. Right?
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TwoQuestions posted:I'm glad we have a Wings Over here, they deliver and their waffle fries are really good. lol what, Wings Over is terrible they’re all over the Boston area and I’ve never had an order from there that didn’t make me feel gross, in a way that something like a Raising Canes or Popeyes never does, to say nothing of a nice chicken place
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Chik-Fila-A is very useful because everybody knows by this point that parts of that $5-10 you spend are going to exterminate LGBT people across the globe and fund dominionists stateside, so it's a useful barometer as to what the lowest bar one would accept to square supporting that sort of thing with themselves is. Unless that personal is of the black pilled "individual efforts making any difference is a laughable concept" mindset which is a whole separate thing and for the most part these people are just lying about it. Beyond that I've never understood the big deal. Their lemonade and tea's "secret" is the universal one of super saturation and they can move the drive-thru fast because almost nothing they make is made to order.
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May 12, 2021 20:21
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FizFashizzle posted:You'd have to think if 2022 goes badly enough for them they'll FINALLY cut the cord. Any harm they suffer from staying with Trump, no matter how severe, is worse than the harm they'd suffer from cutting Trump off. It's a choice between losing enough voters to lose in some states and losing enough voters to lose in more states.
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May 12, 2021 20:24
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Epic High Five posted:Chik-Fila-A is very useful because everybody knows by this point that parts of that $5-10 you spend are going to exterminate LGBT people across the globe and fund dominionists stateside, so it's a useful barometer as to what the lowest bar one would accept to square supporting that sort of thing with themselves is. I don’t think you’re 100% wrong but I also don’t think you appreciate how largely uninformed, arguably willfully so, large segments of the population are
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Ok Comboomer posted:I don’t think you’re 100% wrong but I also don’t think you appreciate how largely uninformed, arguably willfully so, large segments of the population are Oh it's not something I'll draw a hard line about anybody from, it's just something I'll consider and then sort of broach the topic with them to see where they stand. I worked in food service for 15 years and spent that whole time watching people suddenly wake up and realize they're in a restaurant and are expected to order now only at the moment you ask them to do so, I know how mindless the relationship between food and consumer is in the US. I probably sounded more emphatic than I intended to with that post, sorry. There are some hard line things for me but this isn't one of them.
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May 12, 2021 20:27
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FizFashizzle posted:You'd have to think if 2022 goes badly enough for them they'll FINALLY cut the cord. When they lose in 22 they're going to fully embrace the insanity that's still barely bleeding in.
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May 12, 2021 20:30
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:When they lose in 22 they're going to fully embrace the insanity that's still barely bleeding in. If. I am worried that there will be no loss.
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FizFashizzle posted:You'd have to think if 2022 goes badly enough for them they'll FINALLY cut the cord. The republicans have responded to every loss by getting worse. They're told that in order to win by getting more votes they have to stop being crazy, so they get crazier and try to come up with ways to win without getting more votes. I don't know if there's a scenario where the party moderates. At this point I think the only hope is that it breaks because of incompatibility within its coalition and the far right loses power in the splinter, because currently it's the part driving the party.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1392547232721907713 So if dude's lying about this it's contempt right? Also "protect the demonstrators?" From who? Themselves?
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Randalor posted:My only contribution to gunchat was that after my parents passed away, I turned over their firearms to the police as soon as I could (literally the afternoon my dad died, and only because he passed away at 11pm and I was too busy trying to figure out who needed which documents to call the police sooner). They had 11 firearms between them, and all but 2 were single-shot rifles or black powder pistols (To be fair, my mom had inherited her dad's rifles when he passed away, so let's say 8-9 between them before that). The last time I remembered either of them using them, I was... about 6 years old. I'm now in my 30's. Gun collectors are a weird and dangerous bunch. That being said, one of them was an 11-round blackpowder revolver. No I don't know how that works, nor do I care to. Pages ago, and too late for you to worry about it, but as forewarning to other people who plan to do something similar, check your state laws before you hand guns over to the police. In some places gun nuts have pressured legislators to enact laws prohibiting the destruction of seized or surrendered weapons and instead are forced to sell them at auction, putting them right back on the streets. If you live in a state that does this and want to dispose of some guns, render them inoperable and unsalvageable first or find someone you trust to do so on your behalf, and then give them over.
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Okay this was a while back but I said I'd provide context on my "reason for 2nd amendment was to kill Indians" semi hot take. I teach at a tribal school on a reservation, we're having our end of semester wrap up meetings. We were discussing how well we incorporate indigenous culture into classrooms and the campus. One of our best teachers gave an example of how he teaches history by going through his family history generation by generation (traditionally you were supposed to know your ancestry back seven generations) and describing the different horrifically oppressive policy regimes each was subject to. Then over the semester he goes through each policy era in more detail with students. He was born in 1959 under Termination. He was forcibly removed from his family at a young age and placed with a white family for 12 years to assimilate, then in boarding schools. He didn't really know his birth family until he was in his 20s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_termination_policy His mother was born in 1927 under the Indian Reorganization Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Reorganization_Act#Legacy His grandfather was born in 1900 under Dawes Act where reservation land was allotted to families, many people were forced off of tribal rolls, and tribes had 2/3 of their lands declared "surplus" and auctioned off (mostly to white settlers) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act and so on back seven generations until he ended on: "And you know what the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was? To kill Indians." It was a really powerful (and depressing) rhetorical tool.
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VitalSigns posted:If they don't have 50 votes they don't have 50 votes, it doesn't matter if a higher percentage of 50 supports a public option today than did a percentage of 60 eleven years ago, you either have 50 votes plus a tiebreaker or you don't. You seem to be missing my point - I think they do have 50 votes and a tiebreaker. Manchin and Sinema will water down a proposal, but in 2009 they didn't have 50 for it and now I think a reasonable person could conclude that support is between 48-50 out of 50. It went from being a "nice to have" to a "must have" for the Democratic party and their voting base in the intervening time as the holes in the ACA became apparent and the Supreme Court shot down mandatory Medicaid expansion I'm not dumb enough to put money on Sinema being reasonable or anything, but I think the Blue Dogs that got ran out on a rail in 2010 represented enough of the 59 votes that if we subtract them from the total we would end up well under 50. To me, this is one place where it's absolutely worth going through the checklist and seeing who was where, which is why I put the effort into showing that everyone who survived from 2009 to now has a positive view of the public option - implicitly, that means the people who had negative views got exiled to the wilderness in the meanwhile, and we are closer to public option now than then even given the reduced majority in the Senate BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 20:45 on May 12, 2021 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:does anyone give a gently caress about chickfila outside weird chuds and boomers? Does the Republican party give a gently caress about communicating with people besides weird chuds and boomers?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1392547232721907713 Hopefully if he's lying, Congress has receipts. Also, if trump said to grant the request, weren't the national guard still held off?
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:When they lose in 22 they're going to fully embrace the insanity that's still barely bleeding in. What in the world makes you think the Republicans will lose in 22? With fresh gerrymanders and the President's party almost always losing seats, and how 60% of the population blames everything including male pattern baldness on Biden, they all but have it in the bag. They have tribe and culture, they don't need policy. Just Hate Them works.
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TulliusCicero posted:So if dude's lying about this it's contempt right?
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I’d like to think the Biden cleanup of the Trump Covid mess would linger as a positive with the average voter but who knows.
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BougieBitch posted:You seem to be missing my point - I think they do have 50 votes and a tiebreaker. Manchin and Sinema will water down a proposal, but in 2009 they didn't have 50 for it and now I think a reasonable person could conclude that support is between 48-50 out of 50. It went from being a "nice to have" to a "must have" for the Democratic party and their voting base in the intervening time as the holes in the ACA became apparent and the Supreme Court shot down mandatory Medicaid expansion We'll just have to agree to disagree then, because I don't share your confidence after what happened with the $15 minimum wage, which we were also assured was now a "must have" for the Democratic Party and their voting base and welp 42-58 against. I'm skeptical that the public option, which is a direct threat to important donors and failed in 2010 despite a minimum wage hike passing easily, will do better than that regardless of what some senators say. They also told us they wanted to raise the minimum wage but they didn't do it. E: I mean according to you it was always possible to do in reconciliation, but the 2010 senate just lied to us about that and blamed Lieberman who was retiring anyway, and some of those senators who lied about it then are still in office now and still lying about what happened so why would I take their public statements of support at face value. Like if some of them came clean and said "ok actually yea we could have done it in reconciliation but we didn't have the votes and no it wasn't only Lieberman, sorry about making excuses for it before but we've changed our minds now" I'd be more amenable to your position. (If they have done that and I just don't know about it then okay). But if they're still blaming him then they'll likely hide behind the 60-vote threshold again like they did with minimum wage "oh the parliamentarian said no and Republicans are filibustering, welp that's the ballgame sorry folks don't forget to vote blue" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 12, 2021 |
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Maybe I'm misreading this, but I think what he's saying is that Trump told him to activate the National Guard with the explicit goal of having them aid and protect the insurrection, not stop it. That's what it sounds like to me as well, but it's worded just weaselly enough for this guy to do a 50/50 on a lie. Also imagine Trump saying "no protect the demonstrators Constitutional rights" Like he even knows what those are.
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TwoQuestions posted:What in the world makes you think the Republicans will lose in 22? With fresh gerrymanders and the President's party almost always losing seats, and how 60% of the population blames everything including male pattern baldness on Biden, they all but have it in the bag. First of all, re: gerrymanders, a) any gerrymanders made on 2020 data are going to be wonky as hell, due to all of the special circumstances surrounding the 2020 election, b) there are Dem states gearing up to draw their own gerrymanders, and c) there are at at least two states that were hit very hard with gerrymanders in 2010, Michigan and Wisconsin, that either now let independent commissions handle redistricting (MI) or have a Dem governor that can reject the gerrymanders and send the task of drawing districts to the courts (WI). Also, what makes you think "the President's party almost always loses seats" is some intractable fact of US politics, rather than just how circumstances have shaken out? And "60% of the population"? Again, where are you getting that from, besides anxiety about the political future of the US? The GOP already ran their strategy for 2022 with the GA runoffs, and it made them lose.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Maybe I'm misreading this, but I think what he's saying is that Trump told him to activate the National Guard with the explicit goal of having them aid and protect the insurrection, not stop it. It sounds like you have it right.
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2022 seems likely to come down to which seats are being contested or not and little else. I feel like doom saying of Republican majorities or crowing about how they are going to be decimated doesn't really apply anymore. I just don't expect people to budge much anymore either way. If they're in a red districts it's going red, if it's blue districts it's going blue and not much is likely to change that anymore besides red district candidates getting Trumpier and Trumpier. I'm kind of a firm believer in the 2 America's phenomenon now as far as voting patterns go.
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Kale posted:2022 seems likely to come down to which seats are being contested or not and little else. I feel like doom saying of Republican majorities or crowing about how they are going to be decimated doesn't really apply anymore. I just don't expect people to budge much anymore either way. If they're in a red districts it's going red, if it's blue districts it's going blue and not much is likely to change that anymore besides red district candidates getting Trumpier and Trumpier. I'm kind of a firm believer in the 2 America's phenomenon now as far as voting patterns go. The severe decline of crossover districts in 2020 supports this theory, yeah.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Maybe I'm misreading this, but I think what he's saying is that Trump told him to activate the National Guard with the explicit goal of having them aid and protect the insurrection, not stop it. Yeah that's my read. to be clear, he's saying that Trump effectively ordered a coup and the military refused to go along. Which goes along with and gives some vital context to the earlier statements of 'we were worried that deploying uniformed forces would look like a coup attempt.' Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 20:58 on May 12, 2021 |
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Eric Cantonese posted:At this point, I think Chick-fiil-a has become a cultural allegiance signal. I don't know if people really love the food that much. People know that Chick-fil-a is the conservative-friendly fast food joint. It seriously is just superior than most any other fast food restaurant regionally. Any Chick Fil A you go to is always clean, fully staffed, has fast service dine in or drive, and has a clean playground. The speakers in the drive through and the menus function correctly. The food is of consistent quality and pretty good. They always get your order right. The staff wears the mask over their nose. Most other fast food restaurants around here fail to meet most of these criteria.
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Rea posted:The severe decline of crossover districts in 2020 supports this theory, yeah. To me 2020 was neither a championing of or firm denouncement of Trump in terms of how the vote came out. People just kind of voted their usual party loyalties and the demographics of the Democrats just plain having more voters and a larger base played out and in enough key states to make the threadbare difference in the Electoral college. The only real big surprises for me were Arizona and Georgia. I did recall hearing from exit polling that some more I guess moderate Republican voters split their tickets for the first time they can recall though to go for Biden and then straight ticket R all the way down the rest of the ballot though.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Maybe I'm misreading this, but I think what he's saying is that Trump told him to activate the National Guard with the explicit goal of having them aid and protect the insurrection, not stop it. Trumps goal with the insurrection was to cause enough chaos that congress was disrupted enough, that he could push the whole thing off with some wild martial law stuff. His whole goal there was just rat-gently caress everything.
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