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Rea posted:First of all, re: gerrymanders, a) any gerrymanders made on 2020 data are going to be wonky as hell, due to all of the special circumstances surrounding the 2020 election, b) there are Dem states gearing up to draw their own gerrymanders, and c) there are at at least two states that were hit very hard with gerrymanders in 2010, Michigan and Wisconsin, that either now let independent commissions handle redistricting (MI) or have a Dem governor that can reject the gerrymanders and send the task of drawing districts to the courts (WI). Also, what makes you think "the President's party almost always loses seats" is some intractable fact of US politics, rather than just how circumstances have shaken out? Their loss in Georgia was before Kemp signed some voter suppression legislation. They don't need more votes, they just need to keep others from voting, and they can. The 60% figure is a bit extrapolated from my experience here, where a Biden lawn sign for your windows shot out. You really underestimate the white hot boiling Hatred put there among the Right. Pun not intended.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:It seriously is just superior than most any other fast food restaurant regionally. Any Chick Fil A you go to is always clean, fully staffed, has fast service dine in or drive, and has a clean playground. The speakers in the drive through and the menus function correctly. The food is of consistent quality and pretty good. They always get your order right. The staff wears the mask over their nose. Chik-fil-A is a model business in terms of employee training, treatment, and retention which all translates into industry leading customer service. It's a shame they are owned by hatemongers.
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TwoQuestions posted:What in the world makes you think the Republicans will lose in 22? With fresh gerrymanders and the President's party almost always losing seats, and how 60% of the population blames everything including male pattern baldness on Biden, they all but have it in the bag. Biden is broadly popular and his actions even more popular, and republican identification is down to its lowest in decades. The insane weirdoes aren't the majority, they have disproportionate political power.
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It definitely sounds like Trump to say he's using the National Guard to "restore order peacefully" but oopsie they already disrupted the process, some of the democrats are dead now, and it's just too crazy for an Administration change right now sorry!" The military really did have to tell this guy to get hosed TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 12, 2021 |
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Rea posted:First of all, re: gerrymanders, a) any gerrymanders made on 2020 data are going to be wonky as hell, due to all of the special circumstances surrounding the 2020 election, b) there are Dem states gearing up to draw their own gerrymanders, and c) there are at at least two states that were hit very hard with gerrymanders in 2010, Michigan and Wisconsin, that either now let independent commissions handle redistricting (MI) or have a Dem governor that can reject the gerrymanders and send the task of drawing districts to the courts (WI). Also, what makes you think "the President's party almost always loses seats" is some intractable fact of US politics, rather than just how circumstances have shaken out? Republicans have controlled 10 ☝️ out of the last 14 House congresses. Dems have controlled the last 2.. but their majority is extremely tenuous right now. The Trump administration was already a train wreck in '18 leading into 2020, yet Dems still lost a bunch of seats. If Trump's shithole of a presidency couldn't stop dems from losing seats then I don't think it's looking good for 2022 😔 I fear that many people will get complacent and not go out to vote in 2022. 👉 Or they may very well decide to vote for Rs this time to keep it "fair and balanced".
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I'm really actually sorry to hear that chick fil a is killing it mostly due to being a model achiever in cleanliness and professional presentation. Little things like having consistently working and legible drive-through electronics sure do matter for a lot, who would have thought? I'm doubly sorry that they're making a killing because the fundamental strength of their success is to fill redlined voids of black owned businesses. If you live somewhere where black american commerce was strangled so completely that chick-fil-a is literally the best chicken sandwich you can get then that's that. But that's depressing.
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Rea posted:or have a Dem governor that can reject the gerrymanders and send the task of drawing districts to the courts (WI) There's a high probability that the GOP controlled legislature and court find One Weird Trick to sidestep Evers's veto
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UncleButts posted:There's a high probability that the GOP controlled legislature and court find One Weird Trick to sidestep Evers's veto Better than a 100% chance the state gets gerrymandered.  Fair enough, though, caveats for that part.
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This got me a red title and yelled at a whole bunch in the Texas thread a couple of years ago, but chick fil a doesn’t really donate to hate groups anymore, the dude who owned it who did that died in like 2012, and the franchise structure means that any link between your dollar spent there and some group that the owners donate to is extremely tenuous. Mostly it’s a useful talisman for both the right and left to appeal to their bases, which is why it persists. Probably the people actually running the company would rather they be disconnected from all the lib owning and chud bashing. Exploitative food sourcing and all the other externalities that come with operating a national chain of chicken fast food joints are a bigger harm than whatever anti-gay groups the dead owner was donating to 10 years ago, if you’re gonna boycott it, do it because of that.
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Okay I asked you a few pages ago for a source on the initial claim and never received one, so I do actually need you to cite something that supports your recollection that the public option was "killed by Lieberman". It made it into one version of the bill through the Senate finance committee and was cut by an amendment on the floor after that, as far as I can tell, so you are gonna have to show exactly who said it was Lieberman that killed the public option - I've seen people claim that it was Baucus a few times on here as well, but all of that is coming from posters working from memory, not official statements from Senators or whatever Here's a quote from one of the articles I linked earlier: quote:Second is the public option, which was excised from Obamacare. “We passed a public option in the Finance Committee in 2009,” says Wyden, sighing. “We lost it on the floor.” Edit: putting this as a separate bit cuz I want to make sure I have the timeline right - it's honestly pretty hard to put it all together retrospectively. As far as I can tell, the timeline is: Oct 2009: Senate finance committee passes a public option after Wyden pushes for it Dec 2009: Senate amends the public option out of the initial bill (which isn't set up for reconciliation) to get Lieberman on board March 2010: Reconciliation bill introduced and passed over the course of one week with no amendments proposed by Dems due to house whipping for it to get through as fast as possible BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 22:13 on May 12, 2021 |
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Grondoth posted:The republicans have responded to every loss by getting worse. They're told that in order to win by getting more votes they have to stop being crazy, so they get crazier and try to come up with ways to win without getting more votes. I don't know if there's a scenario where the party moderates. At this point I think the only hope is that it breaks because of incompatibility within its coalition and the far right loses power in the splinter, because currently it's the part driving the party. What frightens me is that despite all this obvious extremism, a good portion of this country is so mentally captured by the right wing media that the GOP is likely to recapture Congress in 2022 and then we're in for some really bad "surrender or violence" choices for many Americans.
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I work in NC and there is basically no gas at any stations because people panic bought starting yesterday. My co-workers have already begun blaming Biden and are grumbling that he's not tough enough on Russia. When I brought up solarwinds, no one knew what it was. I sometimes can't believe these people are real
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zoux posted:This got me a red title and yelled at a whole bunch in the Texas thread a couple of years ago, but chick fil a doesn’t really donate to hate groups anymore, the dude who owned it who did that died in like 2012, and the franchise structure means that any link between your dollar spent there and some group that the owners donate to is extremely tenuous. Mostly it’s a useful talisman for both the right and left to appeal to their bases, which is why it persists. Probably the people actually running the company would rather they be disconnected from all the lib owning and chud bashing. Exploitative food sourcing and all the other externalities that come with operating a national chain of chicken fast food joints are a bigger harm than whatever anti-gay groups the dead owner was donating to 10 years ago, if you’re gonna boycott it, do it because of that. I thought they had started doing it again after that and only stopped (again) a year or two ago
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Eric Cantonese posted:What frightens me is that despite all this obvious extremism, a good portion of this country is so mentally captured by the right wing media that the GOP is likely to recapture Congress in 2022 and then we're in for some really bad "surrender or violence" choices for many Americans. Maybe. I spent the last 4 years being unable to plan past 2020 and I can't do that again. If suicide time comes, I guess it'll come, but there's lots of reasons to believe that it won't come to that.
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zoux posted:This got me a red title and yelled at a whole bunch in the Texas thread a couple of years ago, but chick fil a doesn’t really donate to hate groups anymore, the dude who owned it who did that died in like 2012, and the franchise structure means that any link between your dollar spent there and some group that the owners donate to is extremely tenuous. Mostly it’s a useful talisman for both the right and left to appeal to their bases, which is why it persists. Probably the people actually running the company would rather they be disconnected from all the lib owning and chud bashing. Exploitative food sourcing and all the other externalities that come with operating a national chain of chicken fast food joints are a bigger harm than whatever anti-gay groups the dead owner was donating to 10 years ago, if you’re gonna boycott it, do it because of that. Nah. This is wrong. "But the company’s donations to anti-LGBTQ groups continued. As ThinkProgress reported in 2017, Chick-fil-A continued to bankroll anti-gay groups like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the Salvation Army, and the Paul Anderson Youth Home through its foundation. Recent tax filings show that Chick-fil-A’s foundation donated $115,000 to the Salvation Army and $1.65 million to the Fellowship of Christian Athletes in 2018. “It was not an issue in 1946 when we opened up our first restaurant,” Dan Cathy, Truett’s son and the chain’s current CEO, said in a 2012 interview with the Baptist Press. “While developers had no identity whatsoever with our corporate purpose to ‘glorify God and be a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us and have a positive influence on all that come in contact with Chick-fil-A" They're still bad. https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/5/29/18644354/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-donations-homophobia-dan-cathy The Sean fucked around with this message at 21:47 on May 12, 2021 |
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TulliusCicero posted:That's what it sounds like to me as well, but it's worded just weaselly enough for this guy to do a 50/50 on a lie. Was about to say I doubt Trump has ever uttered the words "constitutional rights" in his life. The dude might as well have ended that statement with "....and then Everyone clapped"
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RBA Starblade posted:I thought they had started doing it again after that and only stopped (again) a year or two ago Depends on if you consider the Salvation Army and FCA as uniquely anti-gay. They are certainly anti same-sex marriage, but that's just a part of them being Christian. If you want to boycott companies that donate to the Salvation Army, good luck with your ethical consumption. You might as well boycott any company with any connection to the Catholic church, or indeed any religious organization (it's all of them). They ended donations to those organizations in 2019 anyway, because the multi-billion dollar international corporation is a lot more interested in making money than they are getting hip deep in the culture wars. The frustrating thing is that the "liberal backlash/boycott" vs. Chick Fil A didn't work at all, in fact they saw a 12% increase in sales in 2012 due to lib-owning purchases.
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Nonsense posted:Yes a fast-food restaurant's normal supply issues is a reason given for missing despot Trump. also gqp: why aren't we putting more money into our vital sauce supply lines??
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They still donate lots of money to anti-gay groups. They stopped donating to political anti-gay groups. The original scandal was about contributing to anti-gay marriage political groups and the former CEO weighing in on it. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:55 on May 12, 2021 |
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VitalSigns posted:The US supplied Batista with tanks, planes, napalm, etc to use against the rebels. Yeah, a bunch of conflicts that are either civil wars where the "revolutionaries" have full-scale standing armies, or insurgencies that outlasted a foreign power. These examples have nothing to do with the feasibility of carrying out a revolution with privately-owned firearms. What do you think the American government is going to decide it's not worth the cost of occupying their own country?
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zoux posted:This got me a red title and yelled at a whole bunch in the Texas thread a couple of years ago, but chick fil a doesn’t really donate to hate groups anymore, the dude who owned it who did that died in like 2012, and the franchise structure means that any link between your dollar spent there and some group that the owners donate to is extremely tenuous. Mostly it’s a useful talisman for both the right and left to appeal to their bases, which is why it persists. Probably the people actually running the company would rather they be disconnected from all the lib owning and chud bashing. Exploitative food sourcing and all the other externalities that come with operating a national chain of chicken fast food joints are a bigger harm than whatever anti-gay groups the dead owner was donating to 10 years ago, if you’re gonna boycott it, do it because of that. Just to clarify this point but they were still donating to anti LGBT groups as of 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-goods/2019/5/29/18644354/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-donations-homophobia-dan-cathy *Edit: Damnit. Beaten.
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TwoQuestions posted:The 60% figure is a bit extrapolated from my experience here, where a Biden lawn sign for your windows shot out. Why extrapolate from your (n=1) experience in the (n=1) place where you live? We had an election (n=160 million) six months ago and Biden won. Do you not think Georgia Republicans hated Democrats during the runoff election?
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Imagine going to the bigot-supporting chicken place when Popeyes exists.
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zoux posted:Depends on if you consider the Salvation Army and FCA as uniquely anti-gay. They are certainly anti same-sex marriage, but that's just a part of them being Christian. If you want to boycott companies that donate to the Salvation Army, good luck with your ethical consumption. You might as well boycott any company with any connection to the Catholic church, or indeed any religious organization (it's all of them). You said 2012 at first and then said 2019, completely moving the goalposts while also mischaracterizing their company and whether on purpose or not, excusing their behavior. Anyways, yeah, Salvation Army is explicitly anti-LGBTQ and are very open about it. The Sean fucked around with this message at 21:59 on May 12, 2021 |
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das hipster posted:Just to clarify this point but they were still donating to anti LGBT groups as of 2019 Well, the liberals got their lunch eaten on that one because Republicans just said scornfully "donating to 'hate groups' the Salvation Army and Fellowship of Christian Athletes" and instantly won the argument, as far as it mattered. You and I know about the Salvation Army's anti-LGBT stance, but I bet 99% of the populace doesn't. Also, just about every major company in America donates money to the Salvation Army. It's y'all's dollar, spend it where you like, I don't care. I'm just pointing out the persistence of this idea of a homophobic chicken shop is due to the fact that both liberals and conservatives find it to be a useful issue to grab headlines and rile up their bases, and not because of any material reality.
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Ok Comboomer posted:I don’t think you’re 100% wrong but I also don’t think you appreciate how largely uninformed, arguably willfully so, large segments of the population are On the other hand, I feel like "I don't like their politics, but their food is just too good" or other similar statements are botheringly common that I'd rather assume its some kind of artificial viral marketing strategy. Granted, less so now, but there was a time that anytime Chick Fil A came up, you'd get people saying something to the effect.
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Jaxyon posted:Imagine going to the bigot-supporting chicken place when Popeyes exists. You should probably take a closer look at RBI, the fifth largest restaurant operator in the world, which owns and operates Popeyes Chicken. Though they do make a mean sandwich.
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Jaxyon posted:Imagine going to the bigot-supporting chicken place when Popeyes exists. though i live i a big city with a diverse population so i spit on your "chain" restaurants!
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zoux posted:Well, the liberals got their lunch eaten on that one because Republicans just said scornfully "donating to 'hate groups' the Salvation Army and Fellowship of Christian Athletes" and instantly won the argument, as far as it mattered. You and I know about the Salvation Army's anti-LGBT stance, but I bet 99% of the populace doesn't. Also, just about every major company in America donates money to the Salvation Army. Don't know why you keep trying, you are wrong, they're still donating to anti-gay groups as of 2019, id not later. If a group is anti same sex marriage then it is anti-gay, regardless of you trying to pretend there is a difference. They're still a homophobic chicken shop
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zoux posted:You should probably take a closer look at RBI, the fifth largest restaurant operator in the world, which owns and operates Popeyes Chicken. Though they do make a mean sandwich. No I know they'are also bad.
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Piell posted:Don't know why you keep trying, you are wrong, they're still donating to anti-gay groups as of 2019, id not later. If a group is anti same sex marriage then it is anti-gay, regardless of you trying to pretend there is a difference Good news for you then Bad news though, here's a list of Salvation Army's corporate partners that you can no longer patronize.
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zoux posted:Depends on if you consider the Salvation Army and FCA as uniquely anti-gay. zoux posted:You and I know about the Salvation Army's anti-LGBT stance, but I bet 99% of the populace doesn't. Also, just about every major company in America donates money to the Salvation Army. Oops you contradicted and outed yourself twice on the same page. Edit: three times now since you posted a link about Salvation Army partners that no one should patronize. The Sean fucked around with this message at 22:11 on May 12, 2021 |
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Chicken is very good, and if a place offers baked, try it, it's often excellent.
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zoux posted:Good news for you then Didn't Chick Fil A quietly go back to donating to those groups some time after? Or am I mixing up with the last time before this one? Maybe just don't go to Chick Fil A because they directly support those groups, then also, don't directly support Salvation Army, and ethical consumption under capitalism is about doing what you can within reason, and giving up some overrated chicken place is pretty easy?
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zoux posted:Well, the liberals got their lunch eaten on that one because Republicans just said scornfully "donating to 'hate groups' the Salvation Army and Fellowship of Christian Athletes" and instantly won the argument, as far as it mattered. You and I know about the Salvation Army's anti-LGBT stance, but I bet 99% of the populace doesn't. Also, just about every major company in America donates money to the Salvation Army. boycotting something like amazon or verizon or whatever is really difficult, but boycotting a regional fast food operation is much more doable, especially if you're not near the thing - bonus, it allows goons to be smug about fast food, which is always popular
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Oxyclean posted:Didn't Chick Fil A quietly go back to donating to those groups some time after? Or am I mixing up with the last time before this one? Hey as long as it's easy, right.
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zoux posted:Good news for you then From the previously posted link to the Vox article" quote:
From the referenced Vice article https://www.vice.com/en/article/pa75xg/chick-fil-a-cuts-donations-salvation-army-lgbtq posted:Chick-fil-A says it will now focus its charitable efforts in three areas: education, homelessness, and hunger. But when asked more specifically, it did not go so far as to say that it will no longer donate to organizations that oppose LGBTQ rights.
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No, he didn't; he's pointing out that the Salvation Army isn't seen as a group whos mission is to deny gay rights. Among people who pay really close attention to this stuff, the salvation army is known as anti-gay rights. But they don't ring bells outside stores during christmas time yelling about stopping gay people from marrying, they're raising money for general do good stuff. The Salvation Army seems like it's actively trying to NOT be seen as anti-gay, actually. They've got a whole section on their website talking about how they think LGBTQ people are pretty cool, and look, we've got transgender dorms and hire gay people.
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