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Shiroc posted:Go back in time to Pujols' Cardinals peak and explain to people that after he leaves the Cards, he has 5 good to acceptable years with the Angels, 4+ awful ones, then after being released he's batting cleanup for the defending World Champion Dodgers. How does his career arc stack up against Griffey, jr?
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Junior had two years of OPS+ under 100, One being his last. Pujols has had four in a row. I think Griffey's decline, even with his knees falling apart, was more gradual. He was merely very good for several years. Pujols just sort of fell off a cliff. Griffey also played competent CF almost his whole career, while Pujols... was the guy at 1B. So I'd argue that Pujols' fall was more spectacular. Junior was more a case of "unfulfilled" "potential".
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How is it possible that the Twins are the worst team in baseball right now???? The Tigers have zero offense and they have won two more total games.
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May 18, 2021 12:56
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I legitimately have no idea what the Dodgers are doing with Pujols. Batting the all-time GIDP leader 4th. This is an elaborate joke, right?
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bawfuls posted:this feels like a very Grandal kind of line Its the most extreme line of his career. His BA is .080 lower than is worst ever while he has the highest OBP of his career. His walk rate is rivalling Barry Bonds' best seasons but unlike Bonds, he's not even swinging at pitches IN the zone. He's just refusing to swing the bat and pitchers aren't throwing him strikes for whatever reason.
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FlamingLiberal posted:How is it possible that the Twins are the worst team in baseball right now???? Looks like they're just really loving bad. Lots of regression, awful pitching, awful hitting, awful fielding, and Rocco Baldelli is a terrible loving manager
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bees x1000 posted:I legitimately have no idea what the Dodgers are doing with Pujols. Batting the all-time GIDP leader 4th. This is an elaborate joke, right?
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Cubs got a new PA announcer and he's only 21 years old https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxKfbTC60d8
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https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1394498097254965249?s=19 Don't see the lie here.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Cubs got a new PA announcer and he's only 21 years old The first major Cubs signing in a while.
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FlamingLiberal posted:How is it possible that the Twins are the worst team in baseball right now???? Andrelton Simmons being an antivaxxer has destroyed clubhouse morale RC and Moon Pie posted:
holy poo poo it's like a faucet also that Ohtani home run was Astudillo-esque
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Kevin Pillar taking a pitch to the nose. Turn away if you don't want to see blood.
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IcePhoenix posted:Andrelton Simmons being an antivaxxer has destroyed clubhouse morale I'm convinced it's this. It doesn't help that the games I've watched that he's been in his apparently stellar defense has been just awful. I feel like he doesn't want to be there and nobody else does either.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I wanna know what the cameraman was doing as they completely missed the runner going home the first time I think that's less on the cameraman and more on the director not switching to another camera angle to show it happening. It was picked up by the home plate camera though.
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bees x1000 posted:I legitimately have no idea what the Dodgers are doing with Pujols. Batting the all-time GIDP leader 4th. This is an elaborate joke, right?
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Bryant left a snickers for Schwarber in left field https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1394461257831309312?s=19
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rickiep00h posted:I'm convinced it's this. It doesn't help that the games I've watched that he's been in his apparently stellar defense has been just awful. yeah I wasn't even half joking, you can pinpoint where the season fell off the rails to the exact moment we had the covid outbreak and he spent two or three weeks on the covid IL obviously there are other idiots preventing the team from reaching the 85% but he feels like the center of it, and I can't imagine the guys who got vaccinated aren't stewing about not being able to go out and do stuff because of the players/staff who are holding them back IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 16:30 on May 18, 2021 |
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If Ohtani keeps this up he should smash some sort of WAR record right? He's giving so much drat value to that team it's incredible. And the Angels are 18-22. Unreal.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:If Ohtani keeps this up he should smash some sort of WAR record right? He's giving so much drat value to that team it's incredible. And the Angels are 18-22. Unreal.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:I don't think he's even first for this year right now Ohtani is 14th on the combined fangraphs WAR leaderboard. DeGrom is first, Buxton is just edging out Trout for position players.
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WAR in general isn't super kind to pitchers who aren't over the top elite, and it also hurts value when you're not at least an average glove at a value position or a plus glove elsewhere. what I'm saying is maybe ohtani should play shortstop or catcher
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R.D. Mangles posted:Bryant left a snickers for Schwarber in left field hahahaha i love this. Also (weather pending) I am going to my first baseball game in a very long time tonight. Hopefully Schwarbs is still in left since thats where I am sitting 
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https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1394476767507853319 Yes I know he's had a whopping 56 PA's this season, but Nico is quietly playing GG defense at 2B while also posting a 131 wRC+ and more walks than strikeouts. Meanwhile David Bote, who according to Ross "unanimously" won the 2B job in spring, is slashing .182/.254/.282. 
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Also #CubTogether? Really? How do you come up with a motto so bad it actually makes me pine for the days of #ThatsCub?
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bewbies posted:WAR in general isn't super kind to pitchers who aren't over the top elite, and it also hurts value when you're not at least an average glove at a value position or a plus glove elsewhere. What do you mean not kind? Players who don’t field well or that are at replaceable positions aren’t as valuable as better players at less replaceable positions? That’s how it works, yes
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WAR doesn't take into account that Ohtani is only taking up 1 roster spot for both a pitcher and position player correct?
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Popete posted:WAR doesn't take into account that Ohtani is only taking up 1 roster spot for both a pitcher and position player correct? Pitchers *are* a position player, the position is even '1' in the usual scheme for fielding notation!
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Popete posted:WAR doesn't take into account that Ohtani is only taking up 1 roster spot for both a pitcher and position player correct? Yeah, totally. I do absolutely love that he is playing so well that we get a "breaking WAR" convo. Ahhhh he's so fun.
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they should let Ohtani play LF instead of DH so his WAR is better imo
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bawfuls posted:they should let Ohtani play for a different team so his WAR matters imo
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bawfuls posted:they should let Ohtani play LF instead of DH so his WAR is better imo I totally forgot he doesn't play the field really at all. I'm dumb. He does lose a lot of value that way unfortunately 
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Pitchers *are* a position player not according to my high school coach. and teammates
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https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1394701000875839489 Oh good
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seiferguy posted:https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1394498097254965249?s=19 
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is fWar for pitchers still a pile of poop? For what its worth, bWar has Ohtani at 4th behind Buxton, Kiner-Falefa and John Means, so uhhhh Darude - Adam Sandstorm fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 18, 2021 |
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Pitcher fWAR is based almost entirely on FIP, bWAR almost entirely on RA/9. Both are imperfect (and FIP for that matter is also imperfect as an expected stat) but both are also useful. I generally prefer bWAR for pitchers though since WAR is a stat trying to quantify tangible value to a team, which bWAR mostly does even if it blames a pitcher for bad luck and bad defense around them. fWAR meanwhile tells you how valuable a particular stat says a player should have been, but that's not actually realized value. To put it another way, say you have two pitchers: Pitcher A has a 2.00 ERA and a 4.00 FIP, Pitcher B has a 4.00 ERA and a 2.00 FIP. Looking backwards you'd rather have had Pitcher A on your team (bWAR), but looking forwards you'd probably rather sign Pitcher B for next season (fWAR).
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^^^ hell ya this is v good Fip is also not normalized for park so two pitchers can have the same fip but different fWAR based on the parks they pitch in
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Ohtani's batting numbers are Joe Carter-esque, for sure but man those dingers sure are pretty!
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Sydin posted:Pitcher fWAR is based almost entirely on FIP, bWAR almost entirely on RA/9. Both are imperfect (and FIP for that matter is also imperfect as an expected stat) but both are also useful. I generally prefer bWAR for pitchers though since WAR is a stat trying to quantify tangible value to a team, which bWAR mostly does even if it blames a pitcher for bad luck and bad defense around them. fWAR meanwhile tells you how valuable a particular stat says a player should have been, but that's not actually realized value. Ya I hadn't checked if it was still like this, so fWar is still poop from a butt. Thanks buzz!
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